RE:TRUTH
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
Below Babri masjid, there was no Ram temple, it was jain temple. ASI officers dig the site upto 24 ft and found no evidence of Ram temple, but they got evidence of Jain temple. So again it looks brahmin captured version, which is far away from scientific truth. BJP, VHP have forgotten Babri masjid issue now.
RE:TRUTH
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
ASI OFFICERS on duty who excavated the site would vouch the fact. do you need address of ASI officers?
RE:RE:TRUTH
by kirankumar on Oct 05, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
Mr.Ramsubbu. Did you know that Taj Mahal was previously a Vishnu Temple which was remodified to islamic style by Bloody Shahajahan. Do you know Qutub Minar was not built by Idiot qutubuddin but built by The Great Rajasthan ka Rajpoot Mahayodhdha Prithwi Raj Chauhaan.
all the historical documents were fired and dismantaled by Bloody invaders.
Valmiki Ramayan Mentions that Ram Janmbhoomi existed on the bank of Sarayu. which is in the Kosala Kingdome which neighbours Mithila Kingdom a part of Present Bihar. And let me tell you Jains are Virtual hindus only. Their way is different and some part of philosophy differes. The Jainism is very close to ancient Vedic belief. That is why Jainism still existing in this soil.
Proofs. U want proofs of Bloody Hisorians who does not know what is what and what is not.
RE:TRUTH
by Patriot on Oct 05, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Taj Mahal ( Muslim Monumnent ) was voted as the 7th wonder ( in the new contest ) by Indians( primarily educated hindus , because muslims are either illiterate or taught in madrasas where they know little or nothing about modern civil world) ; there are many other equally great wonders in India which were never highlighted by media and so never got centrestage( viz Ajanta, Ellora caves, the Shravanbelgola Monument and many more).. And yet you think that Indians vandalise property of other faiths? Get your perspectives right. It is only in India that muslims continue to abuse India and yet stay in India. Even in Pakistan they show a lot more regard for their own country than what some muslims do here in this country. Even in this case, the sethu samudram project would have reached some conclusion had instigators and provocateurs like you not used it as an opportunity to ridicule hinduism. Learn to live with respect with one anothers faith, rather than always throwing muck at hindus (who accomodated you'll ( muslims ) post partition)..become a grateful human ( a mukammal insaan first ) and then criticise other humans. secondly, are muslims willing to abide by supreme court order on Ayodhya? ( or would it again be overriden as a judgement of hindu court aka shahbanu case ).. so who is going on tangent and who is a terrorist ?
RE:RE:TRUTH
by AG B on Oct 05, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
The guilt card - this is where people have been successful. Muslims use that then the middle calls Hindus - jump up immediately and say they are completely secular. OBC, BCs say that FCs have been long getting state benefits immediately FCs defend telling great stories of FCs doing good work for BCs. The global terrorist community doesnt have any guilt - they blame Bush, America, Oil, Modi etc etc. BCs blame brahmins, kings, Indian history etc and enjoying things for the past 60 years. What the hell !! Im a FC Hindu and I dont have any guilt. If my fore fathers did something to some one's fore fathers go and ask them not me. This is Hindustan - the only place in the world I can be in peace. Those who beleive Ram and other 33000 Gods are the most eloigible people to be here. The rest- other religions as well as those who are supporting people claling my God as a drunkard and questions his existence -are aliens in this country who must shown the exit. Those who beleive Hindus - this is your last chance; if you still keep quiet you will be eliminated and become history like dinosaurs. Its the question of survival.
The Sikh history is living example of the supreme sacrifice to prevent the Barbaric Forcefull conversion by ISLAMIC Rulers.
Can't understand - Muslims like Haque Sheikh refuse to read the history of Travelling Chinese historians. They refuse to read the Sikh history. They refuse to acknowledge that the Muslim ruled had ended long before the advent of Britishers.
The Muslim Rule mainly centred in North West of India which shared its borders with Afganistan. That is why about 70% population was forcefully converted and the Sikh history can teach U the Rest ?
why are Muslims so scared of RSS/VHP. The only reason is that now Hindus are beginning to unite and fight the aggression of Muslims. Till today only the Muslims would unite in the name of JIHAD to kill the innocent Hindus because they didn't agree to convert to ISLAM. A united Hindu Force today is scarring the Jihadis because now they know they get a blow in return as well
Now we have Indians blaming the demand for RAM RAJYA the reason for all the corrupt, poor NATION Called INDIA. Haven't these fools read the history books. If not then atleast read the nearest history books relating to the period before the ISLAMIC onslaught on India. Just go and read the writings by your not so friendly Chinese Travellers to India around 700 A.D. It will become clear to U how rich this Hindu Culture was. U can bash the Brahmins - but read about ur own country what these Chinese travellers had to say about ur country - and from some ISLAMIC and CHRISTIAN LOOTERS ?
RE:Funny - INDIANA
by Perv Sharma on Oct 05, 2007 05:35 AM Permalink
Funny - read the chinese travellers accounts and U will find a very Rich and cultured Country.
The advent of ISLAM resulted in the most barbaric onslaught faced by the Hindus. Forcefull conversions in North West resulted in 60% conversions.
To fight these forcefull conversions in North West the Sikh history teaches clearly how barbaric these ISLAMIC RULERS were.
The advent of ISLAM has only been barbaric to the Civilization even till today. Muslims throughout the world will want full freedom to practice their religion but never give the similar rights to other people.
destruction of 1000 years old Buddha idols in Afganistan.
Under ISLAMIC rule average Hindus only were made to toll like Slaves.
MUSLIM invasion of India is the most barbaric act in History of how the Local people were treated ?
The richest empire on Earth was looted by ISLAM first - after all their Prophet had also started his CAREER by looting the Caravans in the Mecca Desert ? Looting was a common theme among ISLAMIC Rulers unlike the Hindu Rulers who fought on Principles. That is why despite continuous wars the region still prospered under Hindu Rulers. Hindu Armies only fought against each others armies and never attacked the common man. The result was a rich land. THE CHINESE TRAVELLERS GIVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE ABOUT THE RICHNESS OF THIS LAND BEFORE THE ADVENT OF BARBARIC ISLAMIC RULERS
Historians like Romilla Thappar are biased to the core and are Hindu bashing persons. I saw her article on The Hindu, in which she asserts that the Lanka mentioned in the epic Ramayana is not the present SriLanka. In her article she conveniently omits the places mentioned in Ramayana in far south, for instance, Sabarimala in Kerala, where Sabari(who was given salvation by Lord , Ram) lived ,Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu which is the starting point of the sethu(bridge) where Lord Rama installed a Shiva Linga and worshipped. River Pampa, which flowed alongside the Monkey Kingdom of Kishkintha . Also there is no mention of the Srilankan epic Mahavamsa dating back to 200 years before the time of Asoka the Mauryan, during the times of King Vijaya of Lanka. The ancient capital of Sri Lanka was Anuradhapura. There is definitely sanskrit names and influences in the island before the times of Emperor Asoka and also mention of Lanka in Mahavamsa which narrates the history of the island before Asoka's times. Just because King Vijaya (500 BCE?) named the island Tamraparni and in one Asokan inscription the island was called Tamraparni one cannot conclude that the island's name was Tamraparni and not Lanka. So people who blame some historians as biased and proponents of Hindutwa must know the real face of these kind of Hindu bashing historians too.
RE:RE:Know the real truth about some historians
by Ramasubbu on Oct 06, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
EMS NNN - your claim is only based on mythological arguments. There was no Ram, no proof, and no Ram worshippped sivalinga. Please stop claiming things on the basis of harry potter epics.Sabari malai is original dravid place and dravid god. you can call it Ram, brahma, vishnu or whatever avatar, this is vedic paint coating.
RE:Know the real truth about some historians
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 05, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Romilla Thappar is one of the most morally corrupt Indian writers. Her pseudo-secularist agenda, from JNU is not create a fair rendition of history but to distort the truth and gang up with her minions to denigrate the Sanatana Dharma.
This divide and rule play is still being effectively used to destroy Hindu unity.
They feel lying is not wrong as long as it put down the Hindus. Are Hindus at fault for not knowing their own history and allowing themselves to be manipulated by the likes of Romilla Thapar and her pseudesecular gang? Yes, we are
RE:Know the real truth about some historians
by Ramasubbu on Oct 06, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
Hinduism is most modern religion which is 500 years old, created by britishers by mixing 1000 of local cults, religions and 44 crores deities and gods.
RE:MESSAGE FOR RAMASUBBU
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
HOW Can I challenge Brahmins, I am sure you are not going to convince me with as if Murugan was 999th avatar of Vishnu, as much as Gandhiji was 111th Avatar of Shiva and John F kennedy was 1112th Avatar of Lord Hanuman. What you want to challenge me. Lord Murugan was purely dravidian propery , no where in Rig vedas there is mention of Murugan or Lord Siva. Both belonged to Jainism which were later colored as Brahminic gods. Siva never existed in any ancient Veda. Read veda properly. Siva is none other than Lord Adinatha. Harappan civilization only talks about Adinath aka Siva. I am telling you this with various scientific evidences as well as cross references from Chinese history and western scholars. Moreover I do not need even research or cross reference to prove Murugan. I can just prove with two contradicting version of Veda and Ramayana that Ram never existed as well as Siva was Dravid god(jain god) and harappan civilization was dravid culture, as well as Veda and Vedic religion came to India much before Siva and Murugan existed. Refer a book written by Dr. Emmanuel by title "Dravid Lineage" which has 35 years of reasearch work done by him. As per him most of south Indian gods are colored with Vedic paint and Gods have been converted to Avatars of Vishnu all around 8th century A.D. Before Pallava kingdom only jainism existed in South India and there is no mention of Vedic gods here. the temple you see in south India were originally Jain temples. This is quite eviden
This guy r subbu is just interested in creating discord and fight among the Hindus and justify whatever belief system he has by Hindu bashing.
Lokk at the crap he writes.
It seem that he wants to white man. His type of worhip is brown-nosing the white slave master and doing their bidding.
He loves "christian Schools". He loves USA, Japan, etc and probably would be one of the first to sell out India if there was a buck in it.
He praises Germany, where Max Mueller's Aryan theory was used to BUTCHER more than ten million people. What a foolish man. What was the genocide Hitler conducted, r subbu. Was that maybe a form of the most grevious corruption. If you don't understand that, then continue living the animaslistic life that you are doing now.
Do you how many people the Japanese killed in World War II, and continued till they got nuked. Must be the high moral values and peace and love that is preached.
This is just to remind you what you said so thet you can then apply my responses
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 12:53 PM Thank god america, japan, germany did not have Ram, else they would have been as corrupt as Indians. look at our judiciary and police who are 90% rotten. Women are most unsafe in this Ram-rajya. thank god Rest of world doesn't have this Ram Rajya. let us go to christian school and start believing all those fake gods created by Brahmins. Basically hinduism is another name of brahmin slavery. RAM RAJYA HAS CORRUPTED OUR COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE DIE OUT OF HUNGER, DISEASE , POVERTY, but we still love feeding our fake gods with LADDU and PEDA.
All our kids go to christian schools and we talk about non-existing Ram. Afterall we are slaves to our gunda politicians, bureaucracy and slave of western world. Thanks to China also who manufacturer our Hanumanji and Ram Idols. Imported Ramji , sitaji, Hanumanji.
I apologise for being blunt, I don't care what religion you or we are, first we need to respect work, humanity. RAM RAJYA has only bought as poverty, hunger and slavery.
So why don't you correlate the responses and then THINK about it.
I realise that your brainwashing and prejudice may not allow you to do that, but as I said see that Lord in others as in you and then there is hope
Why don't u you try to read what is written istead of blabbering?
Why don't you answer your praise for Germany, Japan and USA?
Did I say that ther is NOW a Ram Rajya? I expect there will be on when the Asurrs are anihilated. However you seem to bwe hell bent on brown nosing and denigrating the Hindu faith.
We can read and understand your b.s. very well. Your posing as an authority oon Lord rama is as ludicorous as you adopitng your pseudonym.
Why don't you tell me why you are so in love with the genocidal German and Japanese before trying to put down the Hindu faith tryin to challenge the existence of Lord Rama?
Why don't you tell me what belief system you profess and I can give you appropriate responses
Thank god america, japan, germany did not have Ram, else they would have been as corrupt as Indians. look at our judiciary and police who are 90% rotten. Women are most unsafe in this Ram-rajya. thank god Rest of world doesn't have this Ram Rajya. let us go to christian school and start believing all those fake gods created by Brahmins. Basically hinduism is another name of brahmin slavery. RAM RAJYA HAS CORRUPTED OUR COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE DIE OUT OF HUNGER, DISEASE , POVERTY, but we still love feeding our fake gods with LADDU and PEDA.
All our kids go to christian schools and we talk about non-existing Ram. Afterall we are slaves to our gunda politicians, bureaucracy and slave of western world. Thanks to China also who manufacturer our Hanumanji and Ram Idols. Imported Ramji , sitaji, Hanumanji.
I apologise for being blunt, I don't care what religion you or we are, first we need to respect work, humanity. RAM RAJYA has only bought as poverty, hunger and slavery.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 05, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
@ R subbu
I appreicate your level of brainwashing.
To the other readers of this board, he is shinig example of full of hatred and venom these hacks of the padre/mulla are.
For the crap that you posted. NO, all our kids do not go to Christian schools.
There are numerous excellent schools that are not brainwashing institutes and my and THOUSANDS of other children atten them and are getting and have gotten an excellent education from them.
I realise that you like brown nosing the white man and his faith and that you follow orders from your handlers without question, but there are many of us who have taken the pains to understand our great faith, Sanatan Dharma AND help our children understand it also.
Just posting your hate filled crap, sucking up to your white masters shows YOUR slave mentality. Save that for one your brainwashing sessions, so that you can have more poison injected into you.
You claim that you respect work. Tell me what is meant by "Ram Rajya" that you denigrate so freely.
It is an IDEAL SOCIETY, where people ttreat each other with resoect and do their work with honesty and integrity.
Do YOU qualify for that?
I fully agree that India today is FULL of corupt people, who will lie, cheat and distort. What I see is that it almost ALWAYS directed against the Hindus.
Where do you belong?
Taking the name of the Lord in your pseudonym itself shows something does it not?
I have my doubts based on your vitriol and prejudice
RE:RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Ramasubbu on Oct 06, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
Mittal Saab. Hinduism= british created Today Ram rajya has world's highest HIV cases, people die of starvation, heat wave, cold wave-NO HOUSE, kids sleep on street, garbage slum. have you heard of custodial rapes? which police would do this. Have you heard of judges taking money? have you heard of any country were Ram rajya administration sucks 90 Crores of people fortune. have you heard 270 people die every day on road accidents due to corruption and poor implementation of law whichoften get sold out for 10 Rs. Can you tell me in which Ram rajya police will sell law for 10 Rs. or Judge will sell his moral for 20000 Rs. Tell me which country is sexually starved. Tell me if a single woman safe in INdia. not even in police station. POlice stations are biggest crime centres. Themost unsafe place for women is near police station. is this what you call ram rajya. Where is Ram , why is he not doing anything. or he is too busy with sita. he should comeand clear up crimes and look forward for ram rajya vs gunda rajya. YOu guys have been slave of brahmins for ages and will remain same and clearn american toilets for 5 $ an hour. or struggle for 100 $ job by breaking coconuts and feeding laddus to Ram, sita.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 06, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
@ r suubu
Who told you ther is "Ram Rajya" now? I know it will come and when it does, the vermin of the world will get cleaned.
Maybe you have not heard of dignity of labour, but an honest day's work is anytime better than what you are doing. Spreading hate and venom, for your padre/mulla/ or other brainwasher, whatever they profess.
You have no claim to anything but spreading filth in the form of Hindu bashing hiding behind some cowardly pseudonym (befit an intelectually pdishonest individual)
Your stateents are answered above and you are quick to blame the Hindus for all that is wrong but tell me which faith is our PM, our most powerful politician, Sonia and her closed group of advisors. Do you have the courage ot look at what you are saying and answer truthfully.
Just like you are calling names in cowardly fashion without any courage, if you want they can right back at you.
LASTLY, TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR BHARATH other than hate propoganda.
What a pathetic individual.
Learn how to get above the hate, and see the Lord in you otherwise ho know what you will be born as in your next life.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Ramasubbu on Oct 06, 2007 09:56 AM Permalink
Mittal and Team, Please give me one proof of Ram's existence. Don't bake your claim with mythology or emotions.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 06, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
@ r sub
Let us talk about proof versus faith
When you ask for proof, I ask you - do you know who your great, great grand father was and if indeed there is proof of his existence? How do YOU prove it? When you say that you had a great, great grandfather, then that is "faith". There is NO PROOF that he ever existed, is there?
Why don't you answer that question directly and then we can discuss further.
( I know tha you will start some ranting and raving about Lorsd Rama, USA Germany and Christian schools et., but tyr to answer honestly once.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Mr OX on Oct 05, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
Machcha Ramsubbu
mahatma gandhi wished India to be a Rama Rajya and not M.Karunanidhi Rajya.
Ok I agree that some brahmins were destroyed our society. But Rama was/is not Brahmin and is kshatriya to become GOD(Good Man with Good Qualities). Brahmins do worship Rama OK
Krishna is non brahmin and is Yadu(Not Yadav re baba)
Valmiki was not a brahmin
Your own Pamban was not a brahmin
What is the Caste of Lord Muruga( I am sorry I dont know).
how the heck you can say whole hinduism is slavery to brahmins.
Just Look at american Currency(coin) " In GOD We Trust". Ramsubbu American Govt., does keep faith in Almighty whom some indians call Rama
Japanese believe in budhdhism(daugher of Hinduism) and shintoism(If I am not wrong).
About 5000Years back(According atleast our historians). Indian Sages wished
||Sarve jana Sukhino bhavandu|| (Let all people live comfortable life)
||Samasta san mangalaani Santu|| Let us wish all*Good Fortune
*(Including hindu, muslim,christians who so ever)
NO CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM OR ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION WISHED SUCH OMENS(ATLEAST FOR OTHERS).
Most of these sages were brahmins.
Laddu and Pedha were not enjoyed by GODs. Ultimate enjoyer is Human. When GOD exist in Laddu why should GOD eat it. Dont make foolish comments.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Ramasubbu on Oct 06, 2007 06:05 AM Permalink
Hinduism was created by Britishers. India name came from british slang. Hindu word is foreign word.
RE:RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Perv Sharma on Oct 04, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
RAMA SUBBU - it's not RAM RAJYA that has brought or bought poverty, hunger and slavery but rather ur ignorance about RAM RAJYA even today which is resulting in pov, hun, and ur slavery.
just 250 years ago these Christians cama and looted all the nations wealth to fill up the churches ? They managed it because of our ignorance and innocence?
RE:RE:RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Mr OX on Oct 05, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
Yes Perv Sharma you are absolutely right. I dont understand how our ancestors did allow muslim rules in our country. The way they smashed british rule, they could have done the same for muslim rules.
Ooops! Whats the use. most of the indians are politicians are still slaves to british policies morally.
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
okie my name is Rama subbu and I am fighting my shadow. What about Satyamurthy Iyer who is biggest lier in the world? Or Mr Ramalingam, is he real phallu or Ram? Or Ram singh- Is he real Ram plus lion? Or Mr. chaturvedi has to know four vedas? they don;t even know one Veda.
Bottom line is there was no Ram which could be proved by science, history or any cross reference from scholars or history of another country. Dravid research and references of truthful nature are well understood by Germany universities, Canadian Universities, Chinese universities with proper paperwork. Ram or Sanskrit didn't even exist in India before 2000 years ago. Show me one proof and i will do anything for you. Don;t just fight with your own opinion or mass opinion, sentiments, emotions or epics written by brahmins. What if Harry potter epic found after 1000 years later and people will start believing that Harry potter did exists before 1000 years. So if Ramayana written by Tulsi talks about Ram, it doesn't mean he existed as much as existence of harry potter. Characters of harry potter epic and ramayana epic are same as far as scientific, historical evidences are concerned. Archaeological officers rightly said epics cannot be considered basis for existence of Ram and Ram sethu.
Well wittingly i would tell you something . all gods created by Brahmins was basically to get Laddus and Pedas on the name of Ram and other gods, so they don;t have to really work. it was theory, epics and social fear
RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by AG B on Oct 05, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
Hello Mr.subbu( dont want to take ur fullname for obvious reasons), All the other guys whom u mentioned didnt tell that Rama is a figment of imagination. Only U did - if U r so besotted with ur theory then y dont u change ur name to something like seawater or sunlight or muruga or palanivel. Again showing ur reservation brain in carving out Lord Muruga separately as Ur god. How pathetic. Hope you are NOT extending your reservation to your personal life as well like - only cleaning up 40% of time after going to the loo etc. If you can do - pls ask some tamil brethren of yours join with you and may be ur beloved DMK party as well to declare that you all recognise only one god as muruga. This will decrease the crowd in tiruvannamalai, chidmbaram, madurai, tirupati etc. Kerala will escape from being a Tamilian s**th**e during the Sabarimala season. Pls dont add to numbers - quality is better than quantity!!!
RE:RE:Ram rajya and india- a bogus blasphemy
by Mr OX on Oct 05, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Great Mama. Greatly Rediculed. Ramsubbu try to respect your name mama
There are some guests here who are interested only in provocation, provocation and more provocation. What fun do they get out of throwing mud on sri rama or other hindu deities/hinduism, only they would know. The ram sethu issue would have reached some logical end of its own had not some leaders used that to deny rama or dismiss ramayana as fake or take potshots at hinduism. But now it has become an issue of faith, and irrespective of what the provocators/mud slingers/maligners of hinduism may have to say, now rama sethu will remain untouched for some more time; and in one sense has provided a rallying point for hindus.
It remains to be seen whether this would be as powerful as the shahbano case in which the congress government succumbed to muslims and overturned a court ruling and ended up giving BJP some fresh lease of life.. The Ayodhya temple movement started only after that and the rest is history. similarly the godhra carnage helped Narendra Modi win ( and expose the pseudo secularists ).. So you provocateurs and instigators, the more you indulge in mudslinging, the more hinduism will rejnuvate itself. Our religion is SANATANA DHARMA.. It means eternal religion and its foundation is 'TRUTH' (SATYAMEVA JAYATE). and it remains alive in our heart and in our beliefs.
RE:the offshoots of provocation
by ems nnn on Oct 04, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
Well said. And a small correction Tell Dharma that's enough ... No need to add prefix Sanatana and all. May be Varnashrama Dharma is better.... There is only one Dharma as defined by Sruti (Vedas) and Smriti(Dharma sutras and other sutras). The word Dharma does not mean religion in semitic sense !!!!!!
