Hey guys, Nuclear deal helps us to aquire nuclear energy to produce electricity. But through this deal india can aquire uranium to produce on;ly 11% of the countrys electricity requirement. But in return we are going to lose our independance in foreign policy and maybe at a later stage even in domestic policies. SHOULD WE EXCHANGE OUR COUNTRY'S FREEDOM FOR ELECTRICITY??? That too only 11% of electricity. JUST BECAUSE CPM IS BAD, THAT DOESNT MEAN AMERICA IS GOOD.
China illegally occupied Indian Tibet. India's loss is Chinese gain. Our great Gods (like Kailash) are in Tibet. River Brhamaputra originate from Tibet. Now China has to withdrawn their troops from Tibet otherwise they have to face Indo-US joint military action.
It has already been remarked in these columns that the deal went wrong with the Hyde Act. In their enthusiasm, the American NRI that helped to push the deal through forgot to realise that they were involoved in a political exercise in which many actors were persuing their own agendas. Just any deal was never going to meet Bharat's requirement desparate that she is for nuclear fuel to keep her nuclear reacters going.
As a consequence of their oversight, America found a golden opportunity to bring Bharat into the non-proliferation regime, something she had refused all these years. The deal is one-sided in America's favour. No one with an ounce of sanity would put their name to it, except of course Dr Singh and his alter ego Sonia Gandhi and his Government.
The clever wording may have convinced Bharat's masses that it is the best thing since sliced bread until they wake up from the hangover. One good consequence of the deal is that it exposes Bharat's ramshackle of a constitution and Bharat's political institutions, which will not only have to be overhauled but scrapped. Our race is not known for the vigour with which it persues remedial actions, and if it chooses to make its bed with all such acts and omissions, then our country rightly deserves all ills and sins that will inevitably befall it.
RE:RE:What Deal?
by on Sep 08, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
I do not agree with Left's agenda but can understand where they come from: misguided long standing opposition to US. But, BJP folks like this Khandu who calls Bharat supporter are opposition something they stood for years simply for political gain. INIDAN-AMERICAN should tell them get your act together or we will not support you in future.
RE:What Deal?
by on Sep 21, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
This is once in lifetime opportunity, happend by chance and we Should Realize this and act in time to support our Government and SEND MASSAGE TO BJP TO OPENLY SUPPORT UPA, WHETHER THEY ASK FOR SUPPORT OR NOT, THAT WAY WHETHER LEFT WITHDRAW SUPPORT TO UPA DEAL GETS THROUGH.
This will show BJP is PATRIOTIC and has VISION to bring BHARAT ON TOP.
Chatterjee complained that "as Indian Americans, after all our efforts and our own time, money and energy we put into this, we are so disappointed over the opposition to the agreement in India." "We are doing so much for India, but the people who live in India (who are opposed to the deal), they don't seem to think about the people," he said.
Oh...so now the deal should go thru JUST BECAUSE RICH NRIs have put lot of effort?!!..LOL.
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by Patriot on Sep 08, 2007 04:11 AM Permalink
Rich NRIs???
Beacause of NRIs contributing back, the real estate is going up...infrastructure is improving...comapnies are investing in new products...all of them are contributing to economy... unemployement has reduced because of economic boom? was it good? or you want to in good old 60's where we did not have roads, electricity or other faciltities, only source f jobs government??? come on guys, we are educated people, lets start using our brain...
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by Ashutosh Kole on Sep 08, 2007 04:52 AM Permalink
Exactly, we should except the Nuclear deal because the NRIs have put in effort and money? These NRIs can go to any extend to prove their loyalty to US but find it hard to think about India. They seek US citizenship as soon as they enter US. Who are they to speak about India? And no one in this forum is talking about the actual benifit (if any) that India will get out of this deal. I mean, we will increase our percentage of nuclear energy within the total electricity produced by approx 7% and that too over 20 years or so? And then pay a heavy prize? WHY so? Why cant we go the Solar or wind rout and not be bound by someone like America on our foreign policy. We cannot afford to be bound because in the fast paced era, our relations with other countries will change very rapidly. Friends will be foes and all the other way round. We need to make any decision totally based on our self interest, not what America asks us to do.
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by mindgod on Sep 08, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
Ok, what is your options for our energy.? What mode china use to feeds its billion populations energy need...??
Is it nuclear/coal..? In which direction are they shifting.. Chinas way is Indias way in energy..
If u open ur eyes u will see, china is going in nuclear direction, we cant afford fossil fuel, or else mother earth will perish.
Sollar and wind route will have worked out if HUMANs-the-evil(atleast for me) were not so greedy.. We need 100% growth in each sector every year. For that plundering of mother nature is mandatory.. For that too much energy is required. Again if we dont plunder someone else surely will. So In short other than nuclear option world have no choice, because if we use fossil fuel, price will rise and they will sink due to global warming.
If USA foreign policy aligns to Indias Natural Interests and strategic interest against our enemies we should deal with them, just as a bussiness deal with all care. The solution is not to align with jihadi-iran and EVIL-china, which already had attacked us.
Again who is our so called friends..? Iran?? May be true now, but why are they friends?? Why cant Israel more friendly to us?? Arent we facing the same problems?
Is any of our neighbours our friend.. pak, bangla, myanmar, nepal, srilanka..?? Tell me dear Kole!! Noooo... They are all chinese chamcha..
But I agree, we need to act smart and dont let USA play the game completely in their favour. In that part resident Indians have a say.
RE:RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by Ashutosh Kole on Sep 08, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Thats exactly my point Mr. mindgod. US will not allow us to have independent foreign policy. All the history has shown this, be it Japan, South Korea, Germany, England...the list goes on. Its a 'chakravhew', you can get into it, but cannot come outside. And FYI, China is going the Thermal (coal) way in their energy needs, and that too because they have unending reserves of coal. Yes agreed that we need growth in nuclear sector to be full fledged. But we need technology from US and raw material from countries like Australia who are already saying that they will not supply fuel until India signs CTBT or NPT. These 'white' countries are the last once we should believe in. India is acting as if Nuclear energy and that too from US help are the last measures for our sustainability and for that we are ready to be slaves of US. Now US inspectors will come and check our facilities? What a dreadful vicious cycle this is. We make one decision which goes anti US and these inspectors will convey (prove) that India is using nuclear technology for weapons development and then we know what happened to Iraq. Offcourse that will not totally happen to India but there will be serious implications. Just blaming he Left for being anti development is very uneducated effort. THINK what will be the consequences. Its becomes a fashion to blame the left (who at least are sticking to what they are saying unlike the BJP). Shortsighted Congress and selfish BJP are not thinking about the long term damage.
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by karteik kotagiri on Sep 10, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
Hey guys, Nuclear deal helps us to aquire nuclear energy to produce electricity. But through this deal india can aquire uranium to produce on;ly 11% of the countrys electricity requirement. But in return we are going to lose our independance in foreign policy and maybe at a later stage even in domestic policies. SHOULD WE EXCHANGE OUR COUNTRY'S FREEDOM FOR ELECTRICITY??? That too only 11% of electricity. Just because CPM is bad , that doesnt mean US is good.
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by mindgod on Sep 10, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
No, CHINA is not planning in coal direction. It is for that reason, they had made a deal with Australia. World cant afford china/india in coal direction, due to globla warming. Hmm Why cant we be like ISRAEL?? They are not completely dictated by USA.
Japan/Korea is USA itself as they dont have active military. USA takes care of their military needs. This was partly due to japanese defeat in WWII and korean war.
See we are in catch 22 situation, and status-quo is not a solution as we dont have fuel. We either go with IRAN or USA. If former the world suffers. In second, we pass (not win) if we are clever.
Left are bastrads. If you are a left leaner, then I have nothing to talk with you in a civilized manner. My experience with them is a little more. It is a party that will ask father to kill the son, in case party wants it.
Congress and BJP are just foolish, but left is evil.
Again we have dangers from - CHINA which uses pak as a proxy. They have surrounded us by - myanmar, gwadar, new-planned-bangla-port, new-planned-srilanka-port etc.. Can we stand alone against china.. No.
So we have no choice but to deal with UNCLE sam with atmost care.
My only worry is that Indian politician and especially bussiness-man have no qualm of conscince to sell off the country for their gains.
Had Indians been like Israelis, I say grab the deal, we can deal Uncle.
RE:NRIs interest or Country's interest?
by on Sep 21, 2007 08:40 AM Permalink
YOUR WORRIES ARE VALID, BUT STILL IT IS EXTREMELY GOOD DEAL FOR INDIA. SO PUT YOUR ALL WORRIES ASIDE.
DON'T DISPAIR MOTHER INDIA WILL HAVE ENOUGH OF HER SONS TO TAKE CARE OF HER, IT WON'T BE IN SORRY STATE
RE:Let us start an New Television Network which counters NDTV
by mindgod on Sep 08, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
I concur glady.. A nice idea. But beware of your life. CPM suicide bombers in wander.
India lost the war to China because a stupid arrogant Commie named Nehru was running the govt - he allowed Chou to piddle all over him in his vain-glorious pursuit of his delusional Hindi-Chinni, Bhai-Bhai crap. He steadfastly refused to allow the miliatry to acquire desperatley neede arms and munitions. And the Communist Party of India was officially against India protecting herself from Chinese aggression, forcing even Nehru to put the traitors like Basu in jail. So, to this Red Rascal, India lost the '62 war precisely because of the stupidity of the naieve, myopic, vascillating Commie Nehru.
RE:N-deal opposition
by Vishnu Sharma on Sep 07, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Main Point, Nehru refused to allow Indian Airforce to provide Reinforcement for our brave Jawans. The Indian Airforce at that time was more powerful than the chinese airforce and would have made short work of the invaders. This Nehru was the worst curse on the Indian Nation. A Masochistic personality who liked India to suffer humiliation after humiliation.
RE:N-deal opposition
by raj on Sep 08, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
You are partially correct. It was V.K Krishna Menon destoyed India's defence and foregin policy.He was a far Leftie with in the congress. He was the culprit.#1
RE:N-deal opposition
by mindgod on Sep 08, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
All old so called vissionaries from kerala were dumboooss. Spine-less creatures. Sold off the countries heritage when those menons were in charge of protecting it owing to the privileges they had enjoyed as HIGH-castes from eternity..
I am not flaming castes, but some responsibility is the least expected for those caste superiority and athority they enjoyed in society. Instead they did suicide, in some commie agenda. Poor Morons.
RE:Does the Left control NDTV?
by raj on Sep 08, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
OH NDTV is run by "private enterprise" Isn't agnist Mao's and Lenni's philosophy.???? I wounder?
RE:Does the Left control NDTV?
by mindgod on Sep 08, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
Do u have any such nasty political connections to show for Zee or AAJ-tak..
it is clear as daylight that congress unelected - and unelectable - pm mm singh and his fellow unelected and enelctable cronies have misled the indian people with their, in words of a very observant bjp guy, half truths and packaged lies. people are mad, but the deal is a fait accompli. you get the deal you deserve thr' the govt you elect. so, what's the way forward?
- first congress should find a way to apologize. of course, this would be very hard for the thickskinned congressis because they think it is their birth right to ride roughshod over indian peasants. little do congressis realize that times have changed, and india is shining despite them. may be it irks the hell out congressis that india has a self-confidence about itself. whatever, congressis must find a way to apologize. - congress needs to kick the left in the rear, and learn to work with the bjp on matter of national security. mm sing needs to take back his words on havan and stuff. congressis must try very hard to get the bjp on the same page which is only a matter of working out the egos because the bjp is more favorably disposed than congress for co-operation with the usa. and the fact the bjp started this process with the usa in the first place. - let their be a public debate in parliament - and a vote in the parliament after congress has worked the wrinkles with the bjp. with bjp co-operation, the chips will surely fall where they need to. - congress must start the above very soon. like with in 48 hours.
