BJP escorted 3 cutter terrorists to Kandahar. Sangh Parivar terrorise Gujarat as Gujarat Carnage. Congress plays with World's biggest terrorist George Bush.
For all intents and purposes (and for reasons justified or not), India was aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. So much for non-alignment.
This is the same Soviet Union who was once headed by Stalin. So much for making a moral stand. On the other hand, the anti-Bush rhetoric fails to note that Bush's term ends in just about a year.
Its worth remembering that nations have no permanent friends or enemies -- just permanent interests. The US will do whats best for the US...India should do the same.
The debate should focus on whether India will benefit more from this arrangement (not just with the US but with a lot of technologically advanced nations) or get hurt by it. Does the status quo hurt us or help us?
RE:US-tilt, non-alignment and morality.
by Venugopalan Srinivasan on Sep 05, 2007 07:37 AM Permalink
superbly written...agree with u 100%...very well worded with a biting message...kudos to u!!!
If the nuclear deal can generate only 20,000 MW power by 2020, then we do not need this deal. Why to put ourself in trouble by binding with USA for such smaller gain. It is a known fact that USA acts only on its own interest. They are selfish and do not care for VALUES. Let this deal be debated in Parliament. I am not against the friendship between USA and INDIA nor I favor communist. If there is something fishy in the treaty then why can't UPA government discuss and get things cleared?
RE:20,000 MW by 2020???!!!!!
by Aspee Desai on Sep 05, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
On an international stage there is nothing fishy possible this is not a fish-market deal.
RE:20,000 MW by 2020???!!!!!
by NARAYANAN GANGADHARAN on Sep 05, 2007 07:02 AM Permalink
Dear Mr.Ram I don't agree with your point.Unless You have long term objective and goal with vision our nation can't progress.If so the same communist have why they kept their mouth shut for Kodamgulam atomic power project tie-up with Russia.China is controlling population growth and what action these communist suggest for our nation.PWD Minister has reigned in Kerala for corruption.Let jothibasu let him declare his assets openly.communism may be good not the communist.Who talk about Jeeva ,A.K Gopalan who really practice communism. It is not the party it is the people and leaders who should take correct step for the growth of our nation.Highly qualified people should come to politic to save the nation.If I am wrong please correct me.
RE:20,000 MW by 2020???!!!!!
by Manoj on Sep 05, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
I agree fully with Ram.
I guess there should be debate on this treaty. When we talk about meeting targets for next 20-30 years then it is befitting that we had debate on this treaty. Though government can sign the treaty as per the constitution it is advisable for minority government to face the debate.
Debate can go on in parliament for let us say 7-8 days. But it very less time compared to what we see the far reaching implications of this treaty. Of late we have all the newspapers splashed with CPI and CPM view points all over but the main protagonist i.e. congress has not done good either to advance the cause of this treaty to masses. Some of the points raised by communists may be valid and we should debate/evaluate them. For example cost of nuclear energy, waste disposal, how much we can meet by nuclear energy etc. etc.
It would be nice if factual debate is organized and reasoning is held. All in this world are intelligent and unless equal or greater facts are not given to support the treaty I guess mass will go with communists. This is because they will be led to believe in these propaganda. This is not to undermine intellect of mass but there is saying that who shouts most is heard the most.
Where are those people who postulated this treaty? They should come forward and answer all queries raised by communists point by point. Unless that is done and is done nation wide I don't see the wider popularity of this treaty.
When will commies will go off from our country? I am just too frustrated with the latest developments. I hope we will have strong relationship with USA, including defense deals. It is unfortunate that a democratic country like India is being dictated by a non-democratic party like the left front. We should make the deal, and let them do whatever they want to do; we should not be afraid to go to poll if required rather being played by a bunch of stupid uneducated worthless persons.
RE:I only hope that we will get rid of the commies in this century
by RamRamRam on Sep 05, 2007 02:58 AM Permalink
I am not for removal of communism in India, but they should change and follow the policy of china for the betterment of its people who choose them to be in Power. We always need some kind of opposition other wise India will be sold to Western countries by pieces. Already India is draining its cultural value by following Western life style.
RE:I only hope that we will get rid of the commies in this century
by Joydeep Acharya on Sep 05, 2007 03:08 AM Permalink
'get rid of commies' - that is a very narrow minded approach. The nuke deal was discussed and debated in both houses of US parliament - and then they decided to go ahead because of their own national interests. In India's case the cabinet just informed the Indian public that it will go ahead with the deal. We being the largest democracy, should atleast discuss the deal in the parliament
RE:I only hope that we will get rid of the commies in this century
by Manoj on Sep 05, 2007 03:12 AM Permalink
I fully agree with Joydeep. There should not be binary statement like this. We are democratic country and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. If congress feels that they have done right then they should come forward and prove it in parliament. I will be first person to be happy for them and country. At present it is very difficult to know as to who is correct.
RE:I only hope that we will get rid of the commies in this century
by Gautam nil on Sep 05, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
I am afraid a democratic country like India is dictated by another country U.S.!
I guess there should be debate on this treaty. When we talk about meeting targets for next 20-30 years then it is befitting that we had debate on this treaty. Though government can sign the treaty as per the constitution it is advisable for minority government to face the debate. Debate can go on in parliament for let us say 7-8 days. But it very less time compared to what we see the far reaching implications of this treaty. Of late we have all the newspapers splashed with CPI and CPM view points all over but the main protagonist i.e. congress has not done good either to advance the cause of this treaty to masses. Some of the points raised by communists may be valid and we should debate/evaluate them. For example cost of nuclear energy, waste disposal, how much we can meet by nuclear energy etc. etc. It would be nice if factual debate is organized and reasoning is held. All in this world are intelligent and unless equal or greater facts are not given to support the treaty I guess mass will go with communists. This is because they will be led to believe in these propaganda. This is not to undermine intellect of mass but there is saying that who shouts most is heard the most. Where are those people who postulated this treaty? They should come forward and answer all queries raised by communists point by point. Unless that is done and is done nation wide I don't see the wider popularity of this treaty.
RE:There should be debate on this treaty
by Aspee Desai on Sep 05, 2007 02:58 AM Permalink
No need, for lay man opinion on affairs dealt by experts. Half-knowledge full danger, so stop tossing such ideas here.
RE:There should be debate on this treaty
by Manoj on Sep 05, 2007 03:05 AM Permalink
We are here for discussions. Meaningful discussions. The way you are replying is as if you are the expert and others are fool. Everyone is expert till he/she is proven wrong. I am not in favour of anyone. My point is that prove the communiusts wrong. And let it be nation wide movement. Experts have been correct always? I will say no. Everywhere you will find the example where the so called sophisticated negotiator led the executive government/boards towards wrong directions. If someone from policy maker section or opinion maker section is reading this discussion board then he/she should understand that it is mass who decide as to who the government should be. And if government goes then it is difficult to keep the momentum going on this treaty. Congress and its allies should do well to promote this treaty nation wide.
RE:There should be debate on this treaty
by Pradip Parekh on Sep 05, 2007 05:45 AM Permalink
i agree with you. however, the congressis are trying very hard to present this deal as a fait accompli. the people under such a pressured scenario are likely to support the deal, at least that's what congress is calculating - for next elections, if not now.
It seems that Dr.Manmohan Singh is either mesmerized or terrorized, showing the possibility of imposing sanctions against India and also pointing out at possibility of similar consequences of Iraq, if an agreement was not signed. 2) Other dignitaries like the Indian Ambassador to U.S., and others including the retired ones seem to support the agreement due to selfish expectations for either promotions or other benefits such as getting assignments like certain nodal positions in some commissions etc., later!
3) The precedent of all affairs of U.S. with various countries inclusive of the U.N., except with few supporting ones like U.K. etc., as recorded in the world history is notorious and purely selfish, leading to massacres of thousands of innocent people, ending in aggression, violating all the normal resolutions of UN., They played havoc and continue to play still! 4) Don%u2019t we possess conscience, as a nation descending with those high traditions of culture of moral values which is the pride of our nation that stands conspicuous even today? Will such conscience allow our nation to enter into an agreement with such notorious country, full of bleeding sins! Don%u2019t we sympathize with those thousands of innocents who laid their heads for not of their crimes? Are we to wash their sins? God will never spare! 5) Any simple brain will ever hesitate to sign an agreement with a country with such bad and notorious precedent to avoid any aggression of our country by some cunning catches as they played with other countries!
6)We are like a mouse in front of the strongest US defence to even think of any conquest! 7) Chinese defence is no doubt massive one with capabilities to defend against and face U.S.! 8) No major benefit is expected, when compared to such a great risk for our nation! 9) We can explore possibility of tapping resources of energy from the 90% wastage water that flows into sea, and also from an abundance of unconventional energy resources like wind power and solar energy which are available in plenty! These are definitely practicable! 10) These will solve the problem of rural power and agricultural power too! 11) This will solve unemployment problem too to a great extent! 12) We have got plenty of thorium deposits along the coast of Kerala which, if utilized will easily solve our power problem for next 500 years to come! 13) As this is possible in next five years, we can, meanwhile speed up addition of hydro-electric and other non conventional energy resources that are easy!
14) This will avoid our falling prey to U.S., by their cunning traps as we cannot forget the cunning plot of East India Company's cunning plot to capture our nation! 15) We will be self sufficient without any obligation to any other nation of the world! 16) This episode of nuke agreement is nothing but a trap to retard our progress as U.S. is worried about our progress as it is always worried about any nation's progress due to fear that it could be a challenge to their security! 17) Some headless chick signed an agreement with East India Company centuries ago with a very simple Identical reasons, and the entire nation had to struggle for centuries to earn this very costly Independence with heavy losses of thousands of lives, properties with enormous amount of miseries etc., Do we need an agreement so soon to invite another invasion? 18)If this agreement is not signed, India can be a fee nation with self sufficient independent nation for ever! 19) Let healthy brains deliberate without any type of bias with a calm balance and decide as the decision is very crucial for the future generations, who will never forgive us for any notorious blunder!
RE:India can be independently self sufficient, if the Nuke agreement is not signed with U.S.!
by maravan kuravan on Sep 05, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
Chup raho yaar....! Are you a commie...? Why China and Pak are opposing this deal...? Ridiculous thinking without any thinking...!
RE:India can be independently self sufficient, if the Nuke agreement is not signed with U.S.!
by Gautam nil on Sep 05, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
What do you mean by ridiculous THINKING without THINKING?
