Mr Javed Palekar is being not just disingenuous but untruthful when he avers 'Jihad' just means 'struggle'. The fact is, 'Jihad' as universally accepted means fighting, holy war in defense of or to spread Islam - it has nothing to with struggle to make a living, or struggle to study and all that jazz. Jihad means 'war' - holy war!
We were slaves at one point of time, and then we got our freedom by virtue of a few people who didnot care about their future and lives.There was no Hindu and Muslim then. They gave us what they visioned for us.And that is freedom.Heart of hearts, we all, hindu and muslims ,want peace.Brought in a community where both hindu and muslims were there, i never found any of the ill -feelings as is potryed by a few over here.
Everybody is talkin about terrorism and pointing fingers towards the other community. BUt can we not see one thing that we are harming ourselves. Our fear has so much taken root that we are not able to see each other, but what fear is making us see.
If this continues, we are going to another country crushed by country's proclaiming themselves to be super-powers and the saviour of the world and anti terrorism squads.
it is time we grow up .we have been slaves once , history is about to repeat itself, with all this blame game and hatred.
RE:????
by Madhu Jha on Sep 05, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Mr ssddssdd,achcha Mullahs jis thali men khate hain usi men ched karte hain, kya yeh thali aapki hai..jo aapko itni chinta ho rahi hai..
Agar hoti to kabhi bhi is tarah se baat karke torne ki nahi balki jodne ki koshish karte.
I fail to understand what Manish Kumar means by saying non-jihadi muslims. Does he knows the meaning of Jihad. Don't listen to what America wants U to hear. Jihad means Struggle. Struggle to live, to survive, to earn a living, to study everything comes under struggle [JIHAD]. When LTTE does the act of Terror nobody brands All the tamilians as Terrorist. When Irish Republic Army does the act of terrorism Nobody brands Christions as Terrorist. When Bajrang Dal does the act of terrorism Nobody brands Hindus as Terrorist. When ULFA does the act of terrorism Nobody brands All the ASAMESE as Terrorist. The list goes on and ON & On. Then why the hell on the earth the TERRORISM act by some misguided Muslims is labeled as Muslim Terroris.
RE:Muslim Terrorist
by Making Sense on Sep 05, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Because all the other terrorist you mentioned come under Political Terrorism, Civil Disorders, State Terrorism etc. But the terrorism that muslims inflict is religious terrorism. What do a muslim want when he/she blows himself/herself up in a train filled with innocent ppl? The number one goal is they want islamic rule. Thats y they are label Islamic terrorists or Muslim terrorists.
RE:RE:Muslim Terrorist
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
U R insane by saying that muslims R demanding Islamic Rule. Islam word is derived from Salam which means peace. We all want peace, Islam doesnot support terrorism. Sucide is FORBIDDEN in Islam, those Sucide Bombers does not know anything about Islam. By these kind of acts they are thrown out of religion as well as community. U used words like "Political Terrorism, Civil Disorders, State Terrorism" Do U know the meaning of Terrorism, if U whould have known U would have never equated it with Civil Disorders
RE:RE:Muslim Terrorist
by on Sep 05, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
U have very nice and balanced view i know that some bad elements are also there in our community such as above,Making sense have now sense just on his Hatdharmi they never ever understand becoz there heart have been looked by there sins.i know after my views they will write that,I(Jitesh)should go pakistan with u(Palekar) but dont worry U and I stick and honest to this country till we Die.waiting 4 ur reply brothers.Babu/Making sense/ssddssdd
RE:Muslim Terrorist
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Thanks for writing, I really appreciate your comments. Don't worry about people asking us 2 leave the country as long as we are loyal to our motherland. I am an Indian & will die as and Indian nobody can take this away from me. Don't forget that the Muslims who loved this greate country fought for its independance and stayed back in this country & will continue to do so. Remember one thing God Forbidden if we[India] go in war with any Muslim Country, the Indian Muslim will always support India. I hope this situation never arise as this will only lead both the countries to distruction
RE:Muslim Terrorist
by Babu Muralidharan on Sep 05, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
friend-the answer is simple. What LTTE does is condemned by most of tamils, what IRA does is condemned by most of the irish people. SS or Bajrang Dal is not the representative of muslims and that is why they are sidelined by most of the hindus.
But, there is not even a single voice of condemnation coming in from any of the muslims. Your so-called clerics never condemns any blasts in hindu locality. Your clerics have condemned blasts in darga and mosques, but not in sankat moctchan temple of varanasi or akshardham temple in gujarat.
none of your muslim leaders have condemned the killing of hindu pandits in kashmir.
that is the simple reason why all muslims are branded as terrorists.
RE:RE:Muslim Terrorist
by Babu Muralidharan on Sep 05, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
"SS or Bajrang Dal is not the representative of muslims ", pls.read it as hindus.
RE:Muslim Terrorist
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Sep 05, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
RSS or Bajrand Dal are not terrorist outfits nor do they advocate terrorism. But the jihadis do. Jihad means kill non-muslims and nothing else. It means inner struggle etc. is nonsense and non-koranic meanings.
RE:Muslim Terrorist
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
I do condemn act of terror by anyone maybe Muslims, Hindus Tamils, Christians Or anyone. No sane person can support the terror in any form. When there is a blast the only target is humanity because only poor & innocent people are the target the bomb does not know any religion, It will not inflict injuries by asking the religion any person of any religion present at the site is a target. U R saying SS or Bajrang Dal is not the represntative of Hindus then go on check in Maharashtra, UP & MP. It's clear from your statement b'cause I never took the name of SS [Shiv Sena]
This is bound to happen when Rediff encourages two terrorists like Sheela Bhatt and Syed Firdaus Ashraf. These two write articles to create sympathy not only for accused, but convicts. They glorify criminals and even justify their acts. If you ever see a snake and these two, finish these two first. They are more dangerous than Snake in the Grass
RE:Rediff and its terrorists
by maha moderator on Sep 05, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
yes thats the truth bcoz they dont have anything exept this hatred to divide the communities on religion base ad they enjoy huge hits from hindus and muslims simply they trap in rediff in rediff ploy
Now that rediffmail has started this message board facility...one can know how much hatered is being nutured in the hearts which looked neutral otherwise..it seems people here eat, breath and live pakistan...and connect 18 crore muslims with pakistan and make them guilty of all that is bad and ugly and the recipe is ready..what i fear is a mass destruction...because India is not Iraq or Afghanistan with a few million people...that kind of onslought would be lethal for India...if the old recipe of Hindu Muslim Sikh Isai vanishes with the hatered that many fundmentalist minded want, then this country would be thrown in fire that will engulf the whole world...therefore, it is important to integrate muslims in the mainstream of the country..but India being part of the US propaganda against muslims...which has been exposed by CPI now..is falling prey to creating a never ending abyss with the muslim community...it is time that in the mid term polls congress is routed out and muslims have their own political party..and muslims should demand 18% reservation in everything that is India or India...because constitute over 18% of India...it is time that we start demanding what is rightfully ours...we Indian Muslims should not look for extension of Pakistan...instead should integrate with India with our rightful demands of 18% reservation
RE:Hate Propaganda
by Babu Muralidharan on Sep 05, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
i think your share is already given in the name of pakistan. i don't know, why you still want more. close to 30% of what was bharat till 60 years back are with you now in the name of pakistan. if you want, go there and write all these craps. i can't understand, what is your rightful share. is somebody alienating you from the society. you people never wanted to mingle with the mass. stop the nuisance of multi-marriages and come in for common civil code. why you want to be separate from the crowd.
problem lies with you and don't search for answers outside, but search within.
RE:Hate Propaganda
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
I don't agee with eaither of Mohammed Khan, Babu Muralidharan or Someone hiding behind the name Making Sense. First of all I must accept that the problem with Muslim is Education for which it's own comunity if responsible. The reservation of 18% will do no good for anyone. As per Islam Every1 is same then I fail to understand why anybody should demand reservation. Secondly "90% of the ppl here hate muslims" is utter nonsence. I studied in Mumbai & all of my friends are Hindus who participate in Eid & I participate in their festivals like Diwali & all. SO if "Making Sense" does not have the sense then stop talking non-sense and spreading heatread. Babu Muralidharan writes two conflicting statement "if you want, go there and write all these craps" and "is somebody alienating you from the society" in the same breadth, first be clear what U want to say. I forefathers loved this country & stayed here& I am proud to say that I am an INDIAN MUSLIM nobody can take away that from me.
RE:Hate Propaganda
by on Sep 05, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
By AntiTerrorist.. U have very nice and balanced view i know that some bad elements are also there in our community such as above,Making sense have now sense just on his Hatdharmi they never ever understand becoz there heart have been looked by there sins.i know after my views they will write that,I(Jitesh)should go pakistan with u(Palekar) but dont worry U and I stick and honest to this country till we Die.waiting 4 ur reply brothers.Babu/Making sense/ssddssdd
RE:Hate Propaganda
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Thanks for writing, I really appreciate your comments. Don't worry about people asking us 2 leave the country as long as we are loyal to our motherland. I am an Indian & will die as and Indian nobody can take this away from me. Don't forget that the Muslims who loved this greate country fought for its independance and stayed back in this country & will continue to do so. Remember one thing God Forbidden if we[India] go in war with any Muslim Country, the Indian Muslim will always support India. I hope this situation never arise as this will only lead both the countries to distruction
RE:Hate Propaganda
by Making Sense on Sep 05, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
First clean up your community. Act like an Indian. Why do you need reservations? Who is to be blamed for muslims being backward and uneducated. Is it the govt. or the no stop way you have kids. You cant send one kid to school but you want to have as many as you want because its allah's gift? Even in school you are always one of the worst students. Y? Is it because the class teachers are biased or u spend more time in masjids and jamats then reading your books for your exams? Dude, this attitude of yours is the one of the biggest reasons y 90% of the ppl here hate muslims. Muslims want more more and more. There is no such thing like giving back, doing some good. You guys are just alianating urself more and more and more.
RE:RE:Hate Propaganda
by on Sep 05, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
By Antiterrorist............. Yes muslim should Not ask for reservation. But tell me one thing Brother If u have three sons(Gift from God)two r doing well in there academics and one is far behind due to some reasons and his demanding for extra coaching, according to u we should stitch his mouth Or Kick him out from home. Next time don%u2019t ask for such things, IS IT? Why r u people wont accept Muslim as ur brother, now u will tell me ke becoz they dont, Are! Open ur eyes u find any muslim arround u Or in this Blog who is is supporting terror or against our be loving country. Make ur Heart Soft for them and Enjoy the Happiness and peace around u. Jitesh.
Thess Jihadis have started a new Propoganda war .They are using televison, newspaper, and every possible public gathering particularly that of minorities to spread this propoganda .They are now even using websites to spread there misinformation campaign.Somebody posted a message about Osama being innocent on this forum .When Osama & AL-Qaeda themselves have claimed that they caused the bombing how can you now claim that they are innocent . There new propganda agenda -disclaim all association of muslim groups with terrorists incidents ,instead they are claiming that the evidence given so far is a part of larger conspiracy against Islam by the rest of the world.We have already seen posts on Rediff claimimg that Hyderabad arrests & investigations are also fabricated .They are soon going to claim the same for all terrorists incidents in the country including Mumbai blats ,Delhi Blasts etc. They are planning to Claim that JEHADIS are VICTIMS . This will create a new wave of sympathy amongst the common muslims and will create more JEHADI MEMBERS .The same tried and tested formula of saying -Islam Khatre main hai- and instant support from the muslim community .This is a VERY DANGEROUS GAME .BEWARE . I hope everyone particularly non-jihadi muslims are taking note .There are already signs of success for them .
RE:DANGEROUS GAMES - PROPOGANDA WAR
by JAVED Palekar on Sep 05, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
I fail to understand what Manish Kumar means by saying non-jihadi muslims. Does he knows the meaning of Jihad. Don't listen to what America wants U to hear. Jihad means Struggle. Struggle to live, to survive, to earn a living, to study everything comes under struggle [JIHAD]. When LTTE does the act of Terror nobody brands All the tamilians as Terrorist. When Irish Republic Army does the act of terrorism Nobody brands Christions as Terrorist. When Bajrang Dal does the act of terrorism Nobody brands Hindus as Terrorist. When ULFA does the act of terrorism Nobody brands All the ASAMESE as Terrorist. The list goes on and ON & On. Then why the hell on the earth the TERRORISM act by some misguided Muslims is labeled as Muslim Terroris.
RE:DANGEROUS GAMES - PROPOGANDA WAR
by Making Sense on Sep 05, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Because all the other terrorist you mentioned come under Political Terrorism, Civil Disorders, State Terrorism etc. But the terrorism that muslims inflict is religious terrorism. What do a muslim want when he/she blows himself/herself up in a train filled with innocent ppl? The number one goal is they want islamic rule. Thats y they are label Islamic terrorists or Muslim terrorists.
If police do not pick them up for introgation what should police do. Should they send flowers with invitation to send there statement by post. If some innocent people are grilled in the process these human rights groups should blame on terrorists group and comunity supporting them. If 100% muslims stop supporting terrorism and become informers to police the India will become as strong a courntry that no terrorist group will ever think of entering into India.
RE:What these human rights activists wants.
by navin kumar on Sep 05, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
u r day dreaming! that will never happen! some ppl will alywas remain traitors to the country! indians have more threat from human rights activists than that of terrorists!
There have been human rights violations in Kashmir for both Hindus and Muslims but Hindus suffered the most. Because Despite being in India Kashmiri Hindus can%u2019t return to their homeland due to biased and anti-Hindu treatment by Muslim majority of Kashmir and also due to minority vote bank politics of so called secular political parties of India. Human rights activists have seldom raised their voices in support of Hindus of Kashmir. Why? Human rights organization has lost its values and they have become insensitive to the sufferers and are just puppets in hand of politicians.
All this happened with the active support of majority population of Muslims .When militancy started in Kashmir, there was huge support for militants from Muslims and these terrorists used to get information about their targets from neighbors of Kashmiri Hindu target. Many Muslim neighbors used to know already in advance who will be next Hindu target, but they seldom used to inform their Hindu neighbor except in some rare cases. Kashmiri terrorists selectively targeted Kashmiri innocent Hindus. Muslim majority was relinquishing and getting strange satisfaction by seeing terrorists killing Hindus. Properties were looted and even today many Kashmir Hindus properties have been illegally occupied by Muslims in J&K. The fact is that Kashmir Hindus were forced to migrate by jihadi militants.Kashmiri Hindus lived like refugees in their own country. These refugees were forced to live in inhuman, pathetic and unhygienic conditions in tents! Due to these hostile conditions many more died of various illnesses and more died of heat strokes, snake bites, rain and cold as these tents were substandard and not weather proof. All this happened and no one really came forward to help and raise questions of human rights violation against Kashmiri Hindus who were in distress! There have been human rights violations in Kashmir for both Hindus and Muslims but Hindus suffered the most. Because Despite being in India Kashmiri Hindus can%u2019t return to their homeland due to biased and anti-Hindu treatm
