The role of civic society is critical - it helps direct social and political growth for society. In its absence, it is primarily institutions that gain strength and often leading to a praetorian culture becoming entrenched. For example, changes in India such as National Right to Employment Guarantee Act or the Right to Information were driven by civic society engagement - and often were implemented while threatening entrenched institutions No wonder then, that while India was engaged in true land reform, and building infrastructure for democratic participation,up to 70% of Pakistani budget was focused on defense. Erosion of such participation will lead to an increasingly authoritarian state and increased instability This is harmless, incompetent men cannot stay in-charge for long.
The bad bits are when politician start interfering with the system. See how Ayub khan was selected out of turn, thats a wrong precedent to set in a country with political instability.
The other bit is peoples faith in democracy. The deal is in India its tough to beat the system and people still have faith in democracy. As long as this is there no general is getting any ideas. most of the pakistani people are afraid of the military. even highly educated persons feel fearful to open the mouth against the army. as it is notorious in oppressing the people by its NAZI type tactics but now the time has come to combat the rogue army. otherwise it will eat up whole of the country.
RE:Pakistan-e-tayiba
by N Srinivasarao on Oct 18, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
Pakistan peoples faith & believeness in democracy, But who were political leaders& military in Pakistan till today they don%u2019t have any faith in democracy, that is the reason most of the times pakistan was ruled by military offices, this is not today ,from past 50 years this situation should be happen, when will you find the solution to implement proper democracy in pakistan, mean Pakistan was divided from India, In Pakistan military is powerful than the democracy(Political Leaders),
Now days most of Pakistan people are afraid of the military, not even media and highly educated peoples also feel fearful to open the mouth against the army.
I feel it is very bad situation in Pakistan and No democracy in Pakistan.
Most countries have an army; in Pakistan, the army has a country. As Pakistan%u2019s most dominant institution, the military has long had an inordinate influence in civilian life. It does not matter Kashmir exists or not there will be bad judgments/prejudices as long as military prevails in Pakistan Average citizens in Pak don%u2019t have a level playing field within the country because the military has a lot of privileges. Indians on contrary do not anything about how Pakistanis live in deprivation. The close relationship that large economic houses in Pakistan have had with the military right from the beginning with banks and industrial houses financing military ventures in return for economic concessions. MAYBE MIR JEHAN or JEHAN MIR SHOULD RATHER DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING He is pathetic I think I pity him
One of the hidden agenda of Mrs bhutto might be to drive Musharraf out of uniform so that she can come back and play all dirty nasty politics to come back in power... She might want to create environment where in US will push Musharraf to attack all jehadis which will not be liked (in fact opposed to overpower Mush) by extremist people who are most voting people in Pakistan... and create space for herself to play in!
RE:Dawood
by RAM BHAROSEY on Oct 18, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
RSS is the biggest terrorist group in India save India and Put all RSS people into jail including MODI.
RE:RE:Dawood
by prabhat on Oct 18, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
RSS ki vajah se tum safe ho kyon ki RSS Nationlist goup hai otherwise pro pakistani just like you tumhari G......per laat markar bhagadeete
She is saying all anti-Pak things to please India and embarass the current Paki govt. The moment she come to power, she will do exactly the opposite... she did that before.
I think she should be shot dead the moment she lands in Pak... the pseudo Democracy of Pak is of no use and is very temporary as some military dictator or the other will take over...
RE:what a chameleon Benazir is
by hanek singh on Oct 18, 2007 06:23 AM Permalink
it is a well known fact that she is the most corrupt politician in subcontinent with close to two billion dollars in foreign banks . her husband was known as mr 20 per cent .any reason to trust her
RE:dawood
by hanek singh on Oct 18, 2007 06:28 AM Permalink
in india and pakistan it makes a news. people think we are ignorant see how we keep on electing corrupt persons in every election
RE:Good Girl
by tanu bhandari on Oct 18, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
Yes, we desperately need such good girls !!! US shud go full blow on Pak for fight against terrorism, as that is a budding ground for jehadis...
RE:Good Girl
by Jehan Mir on Oct 18, 2007 03:46 AM Permalink
How about US bombing Mumbai or US attacking India from Tamil Nadu to Assam because of terrorists.
RE:RE:Good Girl
by CoolBlue on Oct 18, 2007 06:48 AM Permalink
Indians are humanity loving...One more article taht shows... You are again thinking of bombing when the person was talking about fighting against terrorisn and so called jehadis... infact should be called terrorists... http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/oct/17tsunami.htm
RE:Good Girl
by AandTattey on Oct 18, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
Well,US is not concerned about those coz they are not directly or indirectly affecting US.That India has to take care, which she is doing.Pak situation is directly affecting US, as US fight is against those elements who were responsible for 9/11.However, also you seems pro-pak or may be from there only, as you are against US-India nuke deal(gives Hyde Act plea), and always comes with one reason or other that is anti-India and pro-pak.
There is no evidence that Taliban /or Al-Qaeda,caused 9/11. Those who participated parished therein. Even if it is assumed for sake of discussion that Al-Qaeda was involved ,there was no reason to attack the people of Afghanistan who were not all Talibans or Al-Qaeda operatives and take over their country ,any less than attacking Mumbai for harboring any Al-Qaeda agents.
RE:RE:Good Girl
by AandTattey on Oct 18, 2007 04:09 AM Permalink
No doubt US has always vested interests on whatever they do, whether helping Taliban against mighty Soviets or helping Saddam against Iran.However,it would be good for India if Nuke deal works,though India had to live with the baggage which comes along with the deal..
When you weigh baggage with the perceived benefits of N-Deal,its not worth it.
Nuclear energy should be free for all countries.Thats the angle India should be working at in the International arena,instead of walking the line giving up its leadership role.
India can just forget about becoming a super-power,if it decides to lick US feet lke a faithful dog hankering for bones.
RE:Good Girl
by saturn on Oct 18, 2007 04:36 AM Permalink
Jehan Bhai, you are in dreams. Your Dream that US will bomb India is as much true as China will bomb Islamabad! Keep dreaming. You can do nothing else. Because if your country removes 'India-hatred' from their life, it will feel that they are worthless (which really they are!) Your rulers so far have kept all of you living only on India hatred. You are not a match for India anywhere. Your pride is in comparing yourself with India everywhere. At the most you can try to win in Cricket! Just remember how India kicked your ass and liberated Bangla Desh. And what are you doing in retaliation? Just training and sending some terrorists in India off and on. That is no problem for India. Indian authorities and army will keep eliminating them. Your terrorists may blow bombs and kill our folk sometimes. But we shall re build things in a jiffy and we have plenty of people. Just remember one thing. Doosronki kabar khodnewalonko khud hi usi kabar me jana padega. When your terrorists are ineffective in India, they will start killing YOU on your own training. That is what is happening now in your country. Aapko kashmir agar chahiye, tourist bano, hamare bhai hokar aao. Aapka swagat hoga. Terrorists bankar aaoge, mar jaoge. Aur tumhari 72 virgins ka to das hazar terrorists mein ek virgin aisa batwara hoga uper! Woh bhi suab abhi boodhi ho gayi hongi. It is in your interest to say bye bye to India hatred and remain its brother. Remember, we have many more muslims than you have!
First,Bangladesh was created by the will of Bengalis and not India acting on its own whim and power .
Are Bangladeshies really grateful to India for her help?
Pakistani's have no hatred of Indian people.
Pakistanis do have a dispute over Kashmir which is the centerpiece of the on going problem with India.Everyone knows that India is the oppressor in Kashmir and has no standing to annex Kashmir or take away the right of self determination from the Kashmiri people.
Pakistan does not bankroll terorists and has not sent any terrorists into India.If there were any terrorists whether home grown or from across the border,they are only reactionaries to India's brutal hold on Kashmir,killing over 100,000 Kashmiris in ten years in extra-judicial killings or fake encounters. That would be enough to boil anybody's blood.
India has constantly stirred up terrorist activity in Balouchastan and near Wazirastan.
India has also set up tens of counsulates along the Afghan-Pak border to fan unrest, promote discontent and to process, recruit terrorists.
So,the lesson to take home for India is to let Kashmiris self determine their fate and let the chips fall wherever they may and put an early end to a war of thousand years.
RE:Good Girl
by saturn on Oct 18, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
Granted. There was a will of the Bengali people to have a separate Bangla Desh. Mujibur Rehman represented them. But were your one lakh soldiers captured by Bangla Deshis? Was the surrender agreement signed by your Gen Niyazi with Bengalis or Lt.Gen Aurora of the Indian army? Its a known fact that India liberated them. And we do not also expect that others will remain grateful to us. It is read somewhere that a life attempt on Musharraf was foiled because Bajpai saab told him the names of your military officers who were planning that. So do we expect Musharraf to be grateful to India? Never! The fact is that Bangla Desh IS a separate country now, Those people ARE enjoying themselves, Pakistan is kicked out from there, and Bangla Desh IS our friendly country unlike Pakistan. Regarding the so called 'centrepiece' dispute of Kashmir, it is Pakistan who think that it is the main thing. Like I said above, that is a pseudo-issue on which Pakistan is living or they will be just a (not even big,)small zero. Just because there is muslim population does not make Kashmir a part of Pakistan. It is again a false position because Hindu Pandits are terrorized by your terrorists. As far as India is concerned, if at all there is any issue, it is of re-gaining India's part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan. Pakistani rulers DO hate India. All your artists like Ghulam Ali, Adnan Sami & all are making money in India but our artists are not permitted. That is hate & fear!
RE:Good Girl
by on Oct 18, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
That was done in 1947, Kashmiris were given their right to stay independent, What happened?.... Why did Pakistani rulers try to annexe those rights.. Being their follower/representative, you cAn't say that. It was kashmir's head who joined India. Why don't Pakistani government/people stop talking about Kashmir... ideally they should have no interest in kashmir ... if at all Kashmiri people want freedom they will get it just like India/Pakistan, then only India got freedom from brutal british rulers...
RE:Good Girl
by saturn on Oct 18, 2007 07:48 AM Permalink
The so called 'self determination' you Pakistanis harp on is not a feasible argument. You will remember the elections in Kashmir under the observation of UN and foreign envoys. People were making long queues to caste their votes. THEY are not terrorists, neither they want separation, nor annexure to Pakistan. Those like Geelani and Umar Farooq, who are afraid for their lives only stayed away from the elections. Your terrorists killed Maulavi Mirwaiz Farooq as well as Mr. Lone, who tried to bring sense into you. Umar Farooq was only 18 that time and it is natural that he was afraid for his life. So, like your Musharraf sings, there is nothing such as liberation movement in Kashmir. Your rulers are fooling you people. Forget Kashmir. Instead, concentrate on giving the Pashtuns and Nort East Frontiers their independence. The REAL freedom struggle is THERE. Jehan Mir Bhai, you are a gentleman, unlike other Pakistanis intruding in this forum from time to time. Your way of communication is good. I respect you. I also wait for days when all of us can visit each others without hatred, have hospitality, trade and love. Nothing like it. But forget Kashmir and India-hatred. Your terror camps is a wellknown thing to the whole world. You can't lie about it and it will not help you in long run at all.
RE:RE:RE:Good Girl
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Oct 18, 2007 05:53 AM Permalink
dude you should be living in utopia. I havent seen a greater lie than that. If pakistan that has a border with kashmir and all the vested sour grapes interest in kashmir cant foment terrorism then how can india which does not even have border with balochistan foment terrorism in balochistan. It is pakistan which has no rights in kashmir. We did not tell all the muslims to go away and live in one country. It is you guys who went out of your own choice. If you want kashmir then take the 16 crore muslims living in india along with that. If not you guys do not have any claim over kashmir. Iam asking how come all those kashmiris got kalashnikov with out pakistan's help. To wage a war against the army of a powerful country which even the "great" pakistan cant defeat in a straight war (thats why you guys are waging an indirect war typical of muslims, that is another matter), how can kashmiris hope to defeat. Sell you halwa somewhere else and not here. What about those kashmiri pandits who are legitimate inhabitants of kashmir. Are you trying to tell me that kashmiris killed them, you should certainly be day dreaming. Its a fact, even your newspapers admit that it is you guys who did a misadventure in kashmir and then folded your tail between you legs and ran away without even accepting the bodies of your soldiers. What a shame, a soldier who fought for his country and the country is not even willing to accept that. Who are you guys to determine kashmiri's fate. Kashmir is legitimate
RE:Good Girl
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Oct 18, 2007 05:45 AM Permalink
because all muslims are of the same breed. They dont have any sense of gratefulness or gratitude. First pakistan got freedom out of so called buggers like nehru, gandhi and other leaders but will never acknowledge that in their history books. Now bangladeshis were getting crushed by their now so called brother pakistan's army and because of the emerging refugee problem india had to liberate them and they dont acknowledge that. Dont worry there are number of instances are there in the history. All of you and your breed are the same.
RE:Good Girl
by hanek singh on Oct 18, 2007 06:33 AM Permalink
mr mir, you seem yo have lot of paid free time at your disposal lucky guy got a stupid boss. hannnn
RE:Good Girl
by Shishir Shastry on Oct 18, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
Jehan Mir: If you are a Paki, then this is not a forum for you. If you are an Indian muslim concerned about Paki money, then also you should be out of this forum... you could be an anti-National element.
And applying your logic that the US should bomb India from Mumbai/ TN/ Assam, I have a better solution... how about driving away muslims to Pakistan... thats seems a better option than killing innocent Indians (and millions of innocent muslims too). If thats possible, will you be ready to relocate? Osama will offer full relocation benefits. Dawood will take care of your wives & daughters, your sons will be taken care of by the local Madrasas and will learn Jihad, Arabic the most useless language etc. You will probably end up as a Mohajir... Sounds cool?
Think 100 times before you speak publicly... or you will make an ass of yourself publicly..
RE:She wants India's support at this hour
by Harish Gupta on Oct 18, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
India wants peaceful neighbour and would go extra miles to achieve peace but Bhutto should not repeat the same slogan of " A 1000 yrs war with India " after coming to power.
RE:She wants India's support at this hour
by hanek singh on Oct 18, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
why worry india is always ditched by her own politicians we do not need out side help we have enough of our own
