Please define abiding interest. Please let me know how the actions of bureaucrats and political leaders could be tested for compliance with the 'abiding national interests'. Please let me know if actions and doers that are not compliant with abiding national interest will be dealt with by the law. Or, are both the law and abiding national interests merely hypothetical things.
Political interests = selfish motives National interests = something that citizens need but politicians dont care about Abiding national interest = anything of supreme importance to the nation that politicians love to screw with Law = a mute spectator to political shenanigans
In the Indian context all the above terms are not hypothetical entities but reality.
RE:RE:Abiding national interest
by sir on Oct 16, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
throw-sonia fast food lady gang then speak-rogue should not dictate-let her cook in fast-food-rest-then speak
As a stand alone case, BJP must support the deal, and need not be in the present position, they can negotiate if required vis a vis their support to the deal. BJP has already said they are not against the deal and not agaisnt USA. Therefore, common grounds are more than the stand taken by the leftists. of this country.
RE:the BJP to set personal pique aside
by Srikanth on Oct 16, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
It is not possible for the govt to accept BJP's support as congress's Secular image and their allies image will be over. Now the elections for BJP ruling states are roudn the corner and it is impossible for the govt. The govt is there without self respect.Now even congress can't claim that they have nation interest and if made, it is against his allies like RJP and DMK as both were against the deal
RE:the BJP to set personal pique aside
by sir on Oct 16, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
throw-sonia fast food lady gang then speak-rogue should not dictate-let her cook in fast-food-rest-then speak
RE:the BJP to set personal pique aside
by rajesh on Oct 16, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
If the Congress really cares about the image of the Country and the Prime Minister, let them go ahead with the deal and lose power if it comes to that. But they want power and the country's interest comes last.
The left has made a mockery of India before the whole world. They are just aging bafoons with no respect to the word of PM Of India . I dont know what will happen to our country when such idiots are allowed to have a say in the growth of the country . SHAME ON ALL THE CPI AND CPI(M).Very aptly said that BJP should come to as a back hand support to Cong, instead they are bz planning next comming elections , how can they also call themselves true indians when they can also see clearly that Left has been trying to push back the momento of the country. All shameless politicians. They should all retire from politics.
RE:Left
by Srikanth on Oct 16, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
Left has catagorically told the govt that they will vote with BJP if the govt goahead with this deal. Noone asks left to clarify on their so-called secular image on this. These will be coming in dailies soon after this govt collapes. Now they are talking about putting a secular stuff against Narendra Modi. Is it not a double standard
RE:Left
by neelan naidu on Oct 16, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
I fully agree with ur comments..I think every true citizen of this country will fully accept ur views. Stupid mind-set of CPI * CPI(M) will never change and take this country to nowhere if one follows them. BJP should support Congress in this.
RE:Left
by Vijay urf Teesmar Khan on Oct 16, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Congress has never asked support of BJP in this or any matter. How BJP can give support without asked.
RE:Left
by sir on Oct 16, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
throw-sonia fast food lady gang then speak-rogue should not dictate-let her cook in fast-food-rest-then speak
BJP stepping in would perhaps be seen as a HISTRIC MOVE, if at all this happens. Common man is far away from understanding the real need for N-deal. So time is rife for BJP to take a initiative and prove rationally the importance [or otherwise the consequences] of mysterious N-deal. Men like AB Vajpayee, LK Advani, Arun Shouri, Jaswant, Murli and Yashawant need to really show the courage and clear the cloud over the deal. May be this courage would get them closer to Power ever than before.
RE:NOBLE THOUGHT!
by Srikanth on Oct 16, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
Even if BJP take one step forward, govt is not afford to loose its secular face. So it is impossible. This govt is not having national interest.
BJP is so hungry for power that one feels sorry for them. Having tasted power once they just cannot wait to get back. All their predictions of mid-term elections since 2004 when they lost the election have come to naught.They will be well advised to change course, give up communalism, break their relations with the RSS, Shiv Sena and VHP, think in terms of nation's good and support the Govt on issues that are worthy of support and not oppose for the sake of opposition. Opposition party in a democracy is meant to be a watch dog and not a compulsive opponent to oppose anything and everything that the Govt does.They should learn from the western countries from whom we have copied the system of parliamentary democracy.There on many issues the two sides get together if they find it is in the interest of the nation. On other issues they discuss and debate in a decent and disciplined manner and not create hungama and stage walkouts like the BJP has done in the last 3 1/2 years that they have been out of power. India badly needs a good, efficient and disciplined opposition party and the BJP can fulfil; that role if they have the wisdom and will to do so otherwise they can sulk and make stupid statements like some of their leaders do and stay in wilderness
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by Srikanth on Oct 16, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
Dear Contractor, If the govt has real nation interest and not power hungry, let them prove it by going ahead with this. I can bet you,in no situation, BjP didn't bend down to its allies and RSS on any national issues(incl: Pokran,privatisation on all sectors)
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by Nash on Oct 16, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
Contractor...hmmm.....Contractor to Congress and Sonia Gandhi.....IDIOT...stop li$king A S S E S for commission
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by albert fernandes on Oct 16, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Avoid personal attacks please, We dont want the discussion board police to come in and delete all the stuff that people have frankly and honestly expressed here.
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by Pankaj Ramani on Oct 16, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Dear Contractor Looks like u r going to loose all ur Gov. contact after switch of Power in centre !
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by albert fernandes on Oct 16, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
I agree that the BJP appears to be drifting in many directions aimlessly. Now here is a golden opportunity to recover some of the lost ground. Strangely we are more focused on BJP rescuing the nuclear deal than blaming congress for losing it. RSS should guide BJP to support congress now for the sake of the country.
RE:RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by Nash on Oct 16, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
Hello Missionery (albert fernandes)...go and do the conversions, this is not for you.....ur paid only to make India poorer and loose it's identity and culture. You Sonia slaves
RE:RE:RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by albert fernandes on Oct 16, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Thanks buddy, FYI I dont beleive in evangelism or conversions, and also I have worked more for this nuclear deal than many here. I am not a sonia or communist supporter either. I will support anyone who will make India stronger, including you.
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by rajesh on Oct 16, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Contractor : Your frustration too is showing man... If the Holy Congress is not power hungry, the Nuclear Deal would hav egone through!!. Its because Sonia and Co. are not ready to sacrifice power that they are now compromising with the Chinese in disguise, the leftists, to save the power knowing well that in the eyes of the world the Govt. of India will stand naked..
RE:BJP is Frustrated!!
by yogesh jadhav on Oct 16, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
Hey , one thing to understand is that even Mid- term elections would leave a big hole in the pocket of Tax Payer (i.e. Salaried class ). which includes u & me. Today Nuclear Fuel is the necessity of India. We are running short of energy. Villages & Metros in Mubai are facing power cuts ranging from 4 - 12 hrs daily. In this conditions , when the govt . is planning to start metro railways , sky bus. For this growth , where would the power enery come from ? Would it be generated by raising the power cuts for 24 hrs & more
RE:one question
by gaurav singh on Oct 16, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
and if the deal is good for india then by succumbing to communists has not congress put self interest (power) above country
RE:one question
by New Blogger on Oct 16, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
The problem is that Left feels that deal is not good for India whereas congress feels it is. Both the parties are right in their own ideology.
RE:one question
by Vijay Singhal on Oct 16, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
You look very naive. Don't you know that communista never think in the interest of this country. They always think in interest of their fatherland Russia or China.
Reading the discussion board is more fun than the article itself. Ever wondered what a politicians balls are made of? I think we should propose that every politician and party should be forced to disclose the nature of their scrotal contents to the election commission along with their criminal record and ill-gotten wealth. I as a voter should have the right to information about my candidate. Should I vote for a jelly filled scrotal sac or one that covers a steel marble? I am not a "ball expert" but i know for sure that dear old Manmohans is not in a comfortable situation now. God bless the nice old sardar!!!
RE:RE:A politicians Balls
by sree kumar on Oct 16, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
Perhaps Dr Manmohan Sigh after Nehru is the most knowledgable person about very status of India.He was with Dept of Atomic Energy for long time. Any international isolation doesnot mean termination of development. But spending many fold expendicture for inferior eqpts or techology when much more one is available in market for cheaper rate. In DAE a really large chunk of money is spend as commission to importers who import nuclear equipements from USA/ EU THROUGH singapore. A 100$ item reaches Indian laboratories at 50 to 100 times more price tag.
Left drama is to please a dominant minority who has very big role in deciding Governments on Kerala & to some extend in W.Bengal also. I request them not to link Iraq or Vietnam wars to nuk deal. China holds a lot of Indian land but still our markets are flooded by their products.
I have several Bengali and Keralite friends. I consider them to be the smartest and most intelligent of all Indians. I can understand tamilians voting for Karunanidhi, but it beats me how keralites and bengalis vote for commnunists like Karat. I am no bigot and I dont like profiling groups but I cant help it because they have screwed up my hopes this time.
RE:Voting for Communists
by nickel biswas on Oct 16, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
The Keralites and Bengalis that you have met are but a small minority. The vast majority are lazy, indolent morons. I'm a Bengali in Kolkata. I can't go for more than a day or two without someone espousing braindead marxist rhetoric as if they have uncovered some great truths. A majority of Bengalis would rather talk nonsense than actually do any work.
RE:Voting for Communists
by nickel biswas on Oct 16, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
How stupid are Keralites and Bengalis? They are the ONLY two people in the world who actually voted for the communist scourge.
In all other cases communism was forced on the people by gunpoint. Only Keralites and Bengalis were stupid enough to choose this fate.
RE:Voting for Communists
by Prashant Sawant on Oct 16, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
dear biswas iam a keralite, and your opinion is 100% wright. What you said above is the same scenario in kerala. They do not do any work or they didn't allow to do others. If u read the news paper every day does not make you intelligent or a good leader. First the common sense and the mind should have ready to accept the facts. These fools are sleeping on the communist manifesto which is thrown out by the inventors itself. My dear karat sir wake up and first try to become an indian and think about the indians. Otherwise tomorrow you dont have the space to stand on in your own place. Still you are speaking the revolution of the common people. Last 25 years you people brought down the bengal from the wealthiest and most industrial developed state to same as bihar. 15 years back people used to go bengal to find the job. Now bengalis are running to other states for job. This is what our communists achieved.
RE:Voting for Communists
by Krishna Kashyap on Oct 16, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
There are two reasons for communists enjoying long innings in power. First is their Org Structure: They are highly disciplined and have strong org structure down below upto district and mohalla levels, where their representative would know each and every one in the locality by their names, conduct and political preference. If you are with them it's fine else you are the odd one who will face all the problems while doing even sundry issues. Second issue is the Bangladesi migrants whom they embrace and empower them with all the national rights and benefits comes with Indian Citizaenship. So it's not about policies or work they do, it's more to do with using the power to be in it like the old slavery system.
RE:Voting for Communists
by Venkatkrishna Rangaprasad on Oct 16, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Yes it is time, bengalis & Keralites grow and kick Left out of the country, forever.
RE:Voting for Communists
by rajesh on Oct 16, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
Kerala an W. Bengal have a peculiar political demography. In Kerala - Hindua, Muslims and Christians are all closer to each other in nos. when it comes to voting. While Keral is supposed to be 100% literate, the people are highly political savvy and wrongly under the spell of Communism. Kerala is generally a poor state (but for the flow of funds by expatriates from Gulf, which goes to NRI deposits, building bungallows and procuring jewellary rather than any worth while economic developments.
In West Bengal : For the past few years, Influx of illegal Bangladeshi Muslims have changed the political climate completely and forever. For them, it was Jyoti Basu and Co which gave a red carpet welcome to illegal migrants who form a large population of a couple of crores in WB. They got Rationa Cards, Voter IDs etc. at lightning spped by the Communist regime and today they are in the dictating position when it comes to bring or changing a party to power. Since Communists brought them to WB, they are voting for Left parties for the time being, but will set their base and challnge the left soon and left will be wiped out of West Bengal..
RE:Voting for Communists
by HRS Mani Mani on Oct 16, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Erstwhile Kerala and West Bengal produced Sankara, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Tagore, Narayana Guru. In today's Kerala and West Bengal you can't think of such a thing to happen. Why not Keralite's and Bengali's think over this and reverse the current trend of degeneration.
RE:Voting for Communists
by rajesh on Oct 16, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
HRS : Good point. But, in both the states, people have been brainwashed so much by the communists that it looks a very difficult to revive them. Also : If communism is so good for the people, why both these states remain so poor and under developed ?. If people to progress, they need to think independently, not thru' their leaders, who are interested only in their votes..
RE:balls
by Praveen Budamagunta on Oct 16, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
DR Singh did what he can. He came up a very good deal but unfortunately, he dont have degree in Political Science :).These are the real situations where we need a PM like Narasihma Rao, who has faced these situation boldly with his silenc.
