I am sorry for what happened but you are knocking the wrong door. Let see%u2026A) can Pakistan live without Musharraf or Bhutto? The Answer is yes. B) Can Musharraf or Bhutto survive without US? The Answer is no. There you go%u2026you have the answer.
sorry madam, but you see your pakistani people do not think like normal human beings, but like savages.... Osama gets 41% popularity in your country. We are ACTUALLY AFRAID OF POLLS IN PAKISTAN because the fanatical majority in your country will elect something like a Hamas govt. Your nukes will go into the hands of terrorists. And then what will we do?
India's response to Pak emergency disappointing = Pakistan's response to India's concern that Pakistan has been sponsoring terrorism against India is disappointing, K.S.Balajee, Political Analyst
RE:why is a response needed?
by on Nov 13, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
Paki Bhais, Its very simple. You eat crushed glasses, you shit blood. How can a doctor heal that if you don't have a control on your apetite.
There is no need for India to get involved in Pak matters.
You have dug this grave for your self by trying to destabilize India for all these years. Your only motivation to survive as a nation has been to destabilize India and in the processes ignored your own weak links in the governing system of Pakistan.
You are reaping the fruits of what you saw in India. You should be ashamed of your selves even to think, let alone the expectation of India%u2019s intervention in your INTERNAL matters.
All this years, India has tried to stabilize itself internally rather than poking nose in others matters and I think you should learn it now as well.
I recall a very famous punch line of one of the commercials -Neighbours envy, India's Pride
India has no choice. If we open our mouth, we can be accused of fishing in troubled waters. The Pakistani govt will say it is purely an internal matter and for any problems in India, they will start creating problems, not that they are not doing now!
We have enough problems at home for us to poke our nose into our neighbour's affairs. Moreover, the problems are not such that India can solve. We can get only a bloody nose in the bargain. We already have bitter experience in Sri Lanka, a learning experience, not easy to forget!
We may get mired like America and get stuck in the mud. Our neighbours will get together and accuse us of big brother attitude & bullying. It is just an extension of life experiences, when people increasingly mind their own business.
It is better for OIC (Organisation of Islamic Countries) to get involved in Pakistan. They also cannot help much, as they are, "Oh I See", in effect!
The solutions should come from within as like in Myanmar there are groups within groups, so that the generals are making merry. Pakistan is also ditto. They have to have some other agenda to survive than seeing India as cause for all their problmes.
Please get a life on your own! You are already 60 years old!
Democracy will not work in pak Mush was the right leader for pak as he stood against the Islamic fanatics. Benazir and nawaz sharif are both corrupt politicians .
RE:Mush is the man
by Ashwin Deshmukh on Nov 13, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Imran, you are very right, democracy will never work for Pak, strongman / ruler like Mush is required to tackle islamic fanatics, ISI goons. But Big question is how long mush will survive.
RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
Hi Imran, How are you? I did not see you on the message boards for a few days. Where was you for a few days?
I really fail to understand the attitude of people who fight in the name of religions. What difference it makes whether we follow one religion or the other so long as the beliefs are kept within the 4 walls of our homes or at the most to the places of worships (for the believers).
Will any Muslim go the heaven by killing non-muslims or the hindus will take re-birth as humanbeings by killing muslims?
RE:RE:Mush is the man
by Imran on Nov 13, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
Hello JGN I%u2019m fine sirji howz life? I was on this forum from yesterday. Yes it amazes me to see the hatred which most people have towards muslims. Most of my friends are hindus and I never faced any problem. I blame the politicians for cauing so much rift between hindus and muslims.
RE:Mush is the man
by shiva on Nov 13, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
Imran, JGN
All our religions are in existence for few thousand years. We are around for million years. Does it mean, God was born after us? Or has anybody seen God? Having seen the practise of all religions close at hand, I can testify that lots of hypocrisy is involved. There are wheels within wheels in every relgion.
I have seen the best human touch when religions are not at all involved. I will go to the extent of saying atheists help others spontaneously, as they do not believe in heaven or hell or after life. So better to lead a useful life without any borders and just disappear. We are just too insignificant to understand creation.
In a lighter vein, may not be a bad idea to land up in hell to continue the partying forever!
Take it easy my dear friends, better than get hot under the collars, at the mention of our unseen Gods!
RE:Mush is the man
by Imran on Nov 13, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
Shiva agree with u all religions are filled with hypocrisy. Bible says don%u2019t eat pork but all Christians eat , Islam says pray only to allah and no one else can u imagine such a jealous god, Hindus pray to animals which in itself defies any logic. But the sad point is everyone thinks their religion is superior to others what do u call such people.
RE:Mush is the man
by shiva on Nov 13, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Imran,
Even Mother Theresa felt emptiness and was questioning the existence of God during her final days. I have a good friend, whose son tried to influence him in extremist thoughts. When the son had to go overseas for job, he had to share a room with members of other religions. That opened his eyes and even his father was astonished by his transformation!
In a way, Pakistan can learn from China, their supposedly bosom friend. Religion does not play a role in their daily life. It is in the back burner, but maybe close to the heart for many.
When one becomes obsessed with religion and start to wear it on the sleeves or wherever for all to see, it is a put off for other like minded zealots and they get hot under the collars.
Finally, when one is born to a religion you are defending that. Fair enough, but should not go around making fun of other beliefs.
I believe, the fanatics should be isolated and let them fight it out alone to find out whose God is the greatest. Please leave others alone to pursue a peaceful life. Fair deal for all! We can all live happily ever after.
RE:Mush is the man
by Ramakrishna Polapragada on Nov 13, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
It does not surprise, me when people say hindus worship animals, and over 30 million gods.!!! According to our Vedas, god is omnipresent, omnipotent, without start without end, beyond time n form. Comprehending this is one's goal in life. The simplification is universe is in you, look inside you self. All dieties and forms in whatever form figures and shape are tools of ones own choice, and beleif, to pray, concentrate and upgrade one's spritual intellect and realize SELF, the bottle line. Hinduism, is true democracy, which gives ones the flexibility to choose his own path, while respecting various other faiths, including aethism. Power, money and control over masess through religion have corrupted all religions. It is the EGO in ones mind, to prove that they are superior in whatever way, the root cause for all the troubles, and wars. This ego inherently, dividies people in name of religion, caste, creed, god's, political parties, states, lanuages, and whatever other ways possible. Bottomline, service to humanity is service to god.
RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
Dear Shiva, we are also of the same opinion. However, it is very difficult to make the people understand the futility of religions and so-called holy books (especially the followers of semitc religions due to the influence of Sunday Schools and Madrassas). So the sooner we all get rid of such beliefs, the better for the whold mankind.
RE:Mush is the man
by shiva on Nov 13, 2007 06:20 PM Permalink
Dear JGN,
We have to get others see the futility of extreme thoughts & actions. It all looks silly as some get at you in a superior state of mind, as if they have seen God and can get you to heaven.
RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Dear Shiva, I am very glad to meet another like minded person on this board. Despite abuses from some religious persons, myself and Imran have been relentlessly promoting atheism on this board for a long time. We could atleast make sincere attempts to make people see reason.
RE:Mush is the man
by J D on Nov 13, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Shiva,JGN,Imran, You folks don't have to be atheists you are a human being with some brain. You have a choice to pick up the best values from all religions. You will be surprised that all religions are same if you take out fantaticism, preechers, unnecessary rituals. These all preach good values which are essential for man to survive. I am a Sikh and our gurus preached for one universal God but I know there are so many fanatics who have distorted the real Sikh religion. You cannot contain "God" in one book or religion He is so vast and inmeasurable.
RE:RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
Dear JD, though I am an atheist I do not redicule any faith. I know that belief is like a crutch for a believer. However the same should degenerate into hatred for the followers of other faiths. My freedom ends where your nose begins!
RE:Mush is the man
by J D on Nov 13, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, Hi! Interesting so you do not believe in God may be you might have suffered a lot and nothing positive happened with you. Tell me what is guiding you to write all this, what is guiding you in your life to do the right thing,where do you get these ideas? How do some people reach great heights and others don't even though they had same opportunity in their lives. My friend it is the very "belief" that made them do it. Without solid belief in "yourself" or in "supreme power" no body had attained anything. I know atheists think whatever they are doing is their freedom. I like the word freedom but that does not mean you can get away with anything. There is a real danger for an atheist to follow a path of destruction. You have to have good values which are only provided to man thru religion. So pick the best values and live happily. Religion might not have any tag like hindu, Muslim or any other. It is just the belief.
RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
Dear JD, I do not how you are drawing hasty conslusions. I have not suffered much in my life. I was bron and brought up in a middle class family. I have a stable income and a happy family also.
Why do we have to atribute every thing to an unknown power? There is no proof for the existence of any god/gods.
Please down load and read The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks available freely at Project Gutenberg to understand the futility of religions and belief in god.
RE:RE:Mush is the man
by Imran on Nov 13, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
Hello JGN I%u2019m fine sirji howz life? I was on this forum from yesterday. Yes it amazes me to see the hatred which most people have towards muslims. Most of my friends are hindus and I never faced any problem. I blame the politicians for cauing so much rift between hindus and muslims.
RE:Mush is the man
by JGN on Nov 13, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, I am also fine. The main reason for the hatred is the selfish politicians (belonging to both communities). They exploit the masses for achieving their narrow ends and common man fight with each other like fools.
I remember the episode of Mr. Jaffer Sheriff blackmailing the then PRN govt in the name of muslims. Has any muslim benefited from Mr. Sheriff being a central minister? He had even fomented trouble in Bangalore when Saddam Hussain was hanged (that too almost 20 days after the incident). The right wing hindu groups also take cue from such politicians and exploit their followers in the name of an imaginary enemy (Islamization)!
RE:Hinduatan also needs emergeny to fight with islamic terrorism in India
by Imran on Nov 13, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
Dude u go an teach BJP first to stop creating communal divide by playing dirty politics.
