This dictator was worried about losing his job once Supreme Court gave it's judgement on his re-elction and hence he imposed martial law and removed the judges. He will reinstate the constitution when he is sure these judges will not come back to the bench. America loses its credibility when it shows double standards on dictatorship. When it is done by Myanmar or North Korea, it is bad but if it is General Musharraf, he is indispensable ally. What right America has to ask India to act against Myanmar? India needs Myanmar's cooperation in containing terrorists in the north-east. America will be a great country when it follows what it preaches.
RE:Dictator and the USA
by vivek gupta on Nov 08, 2007 07:05 AM Permalink
Hello all
Emergency or martial law in Pakistan is not a new phenomenon. In my view emerging at this time is good for the entire world because of many reasons.
1. So called democratic parties and its heads are thoroughly corrupt especially PPP and are just looking for some pie of power as they believe general is getting weaker. If they were so much concerned about Pakistan then why self imposed exile, why no demonstrations when general did coup in 1999, why reaction to this emergency is so Luke warm. If Benezire is really lady of substance then like asking free and fair polls she should also ask for free and fair trial for corruption charges on her and her husband. She actually just smelled the blood when she found that general is getting some what weak and its her chance to polarize some US attention towards her. That%u2019s what she really did and stayed for long in Washington to get US blessing. Once she got that a so called deal with general is forked out. But Musharaff played the master stroke in end and declared emergency and pricking out all the air from PPP power and money garbing dreams. In that way its good for Pakistan that they will be saved from such politicians. Moreover even if she becomes PM the real power lies in hands of army chief and she will be a weak PM like Nawaz sharif. What%u2019s the use of that kind of PM; it will just be an eye wash for international community that Pakistan is democracy.
2. ; Pakistan is in stronger position to ask more aid fro
Appearing before the Foregin Affairs Committee, Govt rep. says one thing and the Senators says the other. Nobody is seeing eye to eye in the matter whether Gen. Mush was right or wrong. Condoleesa Rice says aid to Pak is under reveiw but American people's interest is prime. She says that aid to Pakistan is linked with so many things but to protect the American people. That means review is only for the name sake and it will continue. Secondly, President Bush says Gen. is indispensable ally in the fight against terrorism. That means his continauce and actions have the backing of the US. What they are speaking out now in public is for public consumption and fear of backlash from democracy lovers. Whatever may be the situation back in Pak that necessitated Emergency, Gen. Mush is certainly there to protect not Pak people but his job. Such a selfish General will meet the fate of other military despots we have seen in recent times. Before people throw him out, he must act fast notwithstanding the US support and restore democracy. It is good for him and the people of Pakistan. Or else there will be chaos in the country. He cannot carry one with such hostile atmosphere around. People are not happy, so the lawyers, so the politicians but US. The double speak emerging from the Foreign Affairs department is certainly not in the interest of democracy but to keep their puppet in Pakistan to serve their interest. The US knew that Gen. Mush was key ally to their fight against Laden.
Ackerman is just speaking on behalf of USA agent Benazeer Bhutto. Ackerman does not care that people were dying in large numbers on daily basis in Pakistan at the hand of terrorists,including 140 killed and over 600 severely injured just on October 18,2007,and there is no end in sight.
The charge that Musharraf imposed Emergency just to keep his job is ludicrous.Musharraf had repeatedly stated that if the decision of Supreme Court on challenges to his nomination for election goes against him, he will not assume presidency,even though such challenges were harassing, untimely and moot and used as a delaying tactic by the opposition,in view of fact that he was already elected by 57 % of the voters.
Did Ackerman know that Musharraf is already elected by 57% of the voters or does he care ?
USA pressured Musharraf to enter reconcilation with Benazeer through an ordinance in order to turn 1.5 Billion dollars of her black money into white which was stolen by Benazeer from Pakistan Treasury in unpaid loans or obtained through kickbacks and money laundering.
The US is installing Lootocracy instead of democracy in Pakistan through her puppet,lootocrist Benazeer just to maintain its control in Pakistan.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by anubhav mittal on Nov 08, 2007 04:02 AM Permalink
India beware of what!!! What r u threating India for, you moron?
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by neel on Nov 08, 2007 04:21 AM Permalink
historically pakistani leaders proved not to have capacity to lead a country. they genuinely need advice from outside ...this time USA......one thing you forgot, India is not Pakistan.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Jehan Mir on Nov 08, 2007 05:27 AM Permalink
If USA had a better leadership,it would not be in a bigger mess than Pakistan is in.Pakistan is in mess because of USA.
Trillions of dollars and lives of 4000 G.I.s lost and 150,000 wounded with no end in sight for the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and no lid on terrorism ,to achieve what?
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by anubhav mittal on Nov 08, 2007 04:48 AM Permalink
Not being paranoid pal. you just worry abt putting yr house in order for now. Leave India to its people. We will decide who to trust and how much. good luck with straightening out yr own mess that you created yourself.
RE:RE:RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Loan Shark on Nov 08, 2007 06:51 AM Permalink
Trillions of dollars .... yes, and over 200k Iraquies dead and about half a million displaced. War spending jump started US economy ... and got control over Iraq and Afghanistan.
How much per Iraqi head? LOL .... you do the Math!
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by AJ M on Nov 08, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
Jehan: Like you and all other Pakistanis, you have been blaming US for creating the problems- Taliban, arms infiltration during Afghan war, "using" Pakistan, etc. Listen..this is the reasonwhy we Indians consider Pakistani's unintelligent. Don't you know that if you side with the wolves, you will get eaten up, sooner or later. Your leaders since Independence have been trying to cosy up to USA hoping to get not only largesse but also partnership against India. USA has only used you because it understood where you guys wree coming from you. The strong bully teh weak. That is a natural law. It is upto the weaker to manage the strong and stay clear from them. Instead all yoru leaders without exception are scraping their noses before all kinds of masters abroad!. Then how can you blame USA? YOu guys are so dependent on China's friendship and you don't understand that friendships are not permanent, that one day, I am afraid, that China may also do you in. You think the Chinese don't know that your and their culture are incompatible. They are only using you to keep India in check, to get access to oil pipelines and curry favor with Middle East for as long the going lasts. The day India and China solve their problems or US and CHina resolve Taiwan and some other issues mutually, China will forget Pakistan like it never existed.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Mahesh on Nov 08, 2007 06:19 AM Permalink
We know what to expect of USA and don't need lessons from you. If the job is threatened your rulers will impose martial law (it is not emergency... stop fooling people) and that's what the Congressman was pointing out.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Sri Raghavan on Nov 08, 2007 05:46 AM Permalink
I guess your analysis of the entire situation is incorrect. Ackerman does care about the terrorism within Pakistan and did point out why Mush isnt taking action on the terrorists instead arrested 1/4th of the Pakistan's lawyers and the Supreme Court Judges?
If you call the Presidential election in Pakistan as an election, you havent seen any democratic election in your life buddy.
The entire world is speaking the language of Ackerman and why do u highlight just Benazir? Benazir isnt saying anything different from what the UN is saying about Mush.
So, check your facts before making your postings buddy.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Jehan Mir on Nov 08, 2007 06:45 AM Permalink
Last time lawyers agitated few months ago, 29 people died . Is that any different than terrorism.
If Ackerman is interested in ending terrorism in Pakistan ,he should advise to remove occupation forces in Afghanistan.That will end terrorism in Pakistan.
In US the President is elected by the Electoral College and not by popular vote.
Pakistan's election process is on the lines of British and US model. Musharraf's election was no different than any US Presidential election.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Sri Raghavan on Nov 08, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
I can't believe that you are saying that the freedom of press and fight for non interference of executive branch in the judicial bench are termed as terrorism. Only you can think like that.
Removing occupation forces in Afghan? You must be joking! Pakistan is having problems even with US forces staying round the corner. If they are gone, Pakistan will be in the hands of Taliban in no time.
Of course the electoral college selects the US President. But the electoral college is selected by proper elections. No one agreed that the Pakistan elections that elected those parlimentarians were fair. The kind of negotations by Mush that happened prior to the Presidential elections was known all over the world and was condemned. The Pakistan Supreme Court themselves would have called it illegal.
So wake up my friend and look around whats going on before you make comments from your coccoon.
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Gopi on Nov 08, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
Jehan - the removal of the "occupation" forces from Afghanistan will bring in a bigger evil - an evil to the world - the Taliban, with all its face-covered, gun-toting, quran-preaching, howling-hollering mullah's and mullah wannabes.
Okay, for a moment, we take it that the "O" forces are removed. How do you expect the terrorism in Pakistan to end after that?
With parts of Waziristan and the Swat valley already off the control (and off the map) of Pakistan, how do you expect the absence of US forces to help bring in stability in your country?
RE:USA Installing Lootocracy In Pakistan
by Shivkumar Singh on Nov 08, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
Jehan
Ackerman is largely spot on. There may reasons for you to dislike him. He is Jewish right?
He is not supporting benazir, a corrupt politician that mothered the talibs (students of islam, LoL).
US has ensured Pakistan's viability as a state when in 1971, Indira gandi was intent on dismembering the nation.
Indian engagement with US becomes essential to neutralise islamo fascists and chinese totalitarians. India must be careful though and should persue our self interests. We might just potentially help moderate the islamist world (help create more of wafa sultans and ali sinas). Many of my muslim friends have been in private willing to question the quran and mo-hum-mad.
RE:Musharraf's job
by anir on Nov 08, 2007 04:42 AM Permalink
It is a shame that I have to explain this to a person who belongs to a democratic country, well, anyway...
Major difference...Lalu is - whether u like him or not - a democratically elected person.
RE:Musharraf's job
by prakash on Nov 08, 2007 06:29 AM Permalink
Hello Anir, don't be misguided. Lalu's sense of democracy is no better than Musharraf's. Both beleives in high handness. Both beleives that they have borned to rule and spoil other's dresses.
RE:Musharraf's job
by Mahesh on Nov 08, 2007 06:58 AM Permalink
You are being ridiculous. It is not what they believe it is what they do. Lalu imposed martial law, closed down media and jailed the Supreme Court judges? I'm not at all a fan of Lalu but you couldn't be farther from truth if you compare him to the military dictator.
RE:Musharraf's job
by prakash on Nov 08, 2007 07:40 AM Permalink
Ridiculousness is the only scale for judging great people like Lalu and Musharraf. When they want to rule, they should be given freedom to rule. Why should Supreme Court or Media, or for that matter any force, disturb an innocent desire. Because of your strong opposition Musharraf may make his wife sit in the 'gaddi', just like Lalu did. Do you want to spoil Mrs. Bhutto's golden chance, Mr. Mahesh ??
RE:Congrats!
by Pradeep Kumar on Nov 08, 2007 03:26 AM Permalink
Stop sucking up to the US so much..its not far when they start giving positive assertions to India
RE:Congrats!
by Bei on Nov 08, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
India is a matured democratic country. We know how to handle US, Russians, anyone... Pakistan has to blame herself for the mess they create and the consequences of such idiotic moves they'd made. Army chief can always topple their elected government. What a fail state!!! pity...
RE:RE:As you sow so you reap....
by Rhazes Ashrawi on Nov 08, 2007 04:50 AM Permalink
U hindus are such cowardly liars. U make up anything.It is your religious beliefs. U worship anything and do anything. So u have no realbasis for truthful dialogue. U are like children emotional and impulsive.At the same time u suddenly want to imitate the western countries.Its like wearing a dhoti and a stetson hat at the same time .
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by Aspee Desai on Nov 08, 2007 06:06 AM Permalink
Pakistan is a beggar (Bhikhari) surviving at the mercy of US. Beggars are not chosers, and loyal dogs should not bark at their masters. If the dog continues barking, the master has no choice but to poison and kill it.
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by harsh maheshwari on Nov 08, 2007 06:53 AM Permalink
good to know about your thoughts. please do tell about u r self. what r u ?? bombers, looters and what not. man mature and look the reality .. till when u will keep begging for help and fighting with guns.. u guys just fight for the sake of something that u urself donot understand. no religion in world can prech hatred and bloodshed. please stop commenting and look into urself. we worship or beleive in anything but we donot destroy anything for something we donot understand. u guys are run by moolah u r exploiting u r mimdsets and will continue to do so.. hope u understand and stop begging for aids from west and start imitating them..
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by A K on Nov 08, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
Yeah right, Hindus worship anything, Sun, Water air, so many gods... they must be stupid... But nothing in those things preaches hatred, killing non hindus and for that matter marrying and raping a kid on the name of marraige.
Thank god Hindus are stupid... and not child molestors, killers and terrorists.
RE:RE:As you sow so you reap....
by Vikram on Nov 10, 2007 12:36 AM Permalink
Well said AK !! Its better to wear a dhoti and stetson than capri pajamas and lacey caps and carry a AK-47.Vande Mataram!
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by anubhav mittal on Nov 08, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
u dont want to imitate west but would gladly accept all their aid, right? hv u thought imitation and development could be two sides of the same coin? Are'nt u using internet?
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by Pradeep Kumar on Nov 08, 2007 03:28 AM Permalink
BJP,RSS and Sangh are no different from those terrorists so would u call them a hindu problem, dont blame others religion when ours itsself has so many flaws
RE:RE:As you sow so you reap....
by anir on Nov 08, 2007 03:32 AM Permalink
Duh?
lol...which part of the world do you see hindu terrorists, hindus brainwashing kids with fundamentalist ideology, running terrorist camps, exachging illegal weapons etc etc etc...
RE:As you sow so you reap....
by satpath on Nov 08, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
BJP, RSS or Hindus ko gaali deke truth ko side karne se koi fayeda nahi hai. I don't see anything logical except the same set of writings from you. If you have answers then tell does Islam allow free thinking , does it allow freedom to woman, does it allow freedom to practice any religion ? and if you cannot answer then don't show up with ur negative comments again
