RE:India is secular because of Hindus only
by Raju Puducode on May 04, 2007 04:01 AM Permalink
It is good to discuss the good & bad in our country. But the urgent need is to wake up & defend our institutions like temples built over thousands of years by the sages & saints of India. They are under mortal attack by secularists. HELP preserve them by signing the petition:
In 2006 - 07, the number of encounters in Uttar Pradesh were 57 (By the way 26 were muslims). Last July Delhi police did an encounter of two muslims belonging to Ghaziabad. Two weeks back there was a custodial death in Haryana.
Whom were these deaths attributed to? They were rightly attributed to some bad cops who gave a go by to judicial process and went for extra judicial activities.
However no one suggested that Mulayam Singh or Shila Dixit are anti muslim or Haryana CM is anti Hindu.
Why is it that out of hundreds of encounters which are done by bad cops in whole of India, only in one case the liability is on the Chief Minister but in all others the buck stops with the police administration??
Selective focus of media is clear in one more case. Nithari is on every channel even today. Why has everyone forgotton about the Maxi cab killings of Gurgaon? These people killed around 35 persons over six months and police had no clue.
Why is that case not vying for TRPs? Because there is a congress government in the state.
If Modi is responsible for this encounter then by same logic, Manmohan Singh and Azad are responsible for all encounters done in J&K by security forces.
Let all three quit and that will be justice and fairplay.
RE:r u listening?
by Raju Puducode on May 04, 2007 04:01 AM Permalink
It is good to discuss the good & bad in our country. But the urgent need is to wake up & defend our institutions like temples built over thousands of years by the sages & saints of India. They are under mortal attack by secularists. HELP preserve them by signing the petition:
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
I know some people want to keep on abusing others and want to get away with it and if somehow someone complains then they try to stop him from doing so or shout him down similar to Hitler's SS. It is just one example of the nazification/talibanization/balkanization this country is heading towards. People here are targeting communities believing what great service they do to their kins not realizing that targeting any community in itself is a great disservice to the country and to their community itself.I don't want my country to have several partitions on communal,casteist and linguistic-regional lines, but with all this going on, I can only look in dismay as to what my country is slowly turning into. A great disservice to the country is being done by this balkanization process and seems loyalties from India have now narrowed down to local affiliations,there seems to be no patriotism left!!!! It just seems to be a Feudal structure waiting to erupt similar to what happened in 47!! Shame on all those who think what great deeds they do by abusing people, those who think that their local loyalties are far greater than this country and that the country can be compromised at any cost to fulfill their wishes and give vent to their prejudices.If you have any sanity left, come to your senses!!!!
RE:True Islam
by Sai Puducode on May 03, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
Save Hindu temples from Priyanka family: Not only Buddhism but even Hinduism is going to disappear from India with the help of secular congress & communist goondas. Save Hindus & their temples from extinction!Sign petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?qa23124&1 http://www.savetemples.org/images/pdfs/flyer_for_chicago.pdf
RE:True Islam
by Sameer on May 03, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Wow !
What an interpretation of words?
I am Sameer Menon. My Dad a muslim and mom Hindu. I learnt both religions and the words you quote above are actually interpreted for the convenience of people who want to use it.
When Islam was introduced in Arabia, there was lot of opposition and people were trying to kil muslims. In such a situation, they had to fight against thousands of Arabs and to keep the faith in people, to give them moral support, Quran told them that they are in the right path and dont panic. If someone is attacking you juz becoz u believe in something and you are a minority, what u expect your leader to say? Its the same here.
Taxes were paid by all people in the Islam empire, but non muslims refused to pay though enjoyed the same rights as muslims. In such a situation, muslim officials forcefully collected the money. but this money was not kept in the Kings locker, it ws used for helping the poor.
There are lots of examples where non muslims were treated well and allowed to use mosques for prayers. And clearly prophet Mohammed told his followers that Invite others to Islam, if they are not willing, you follow ur faith and let them follow their faith.
Too many quotes about fights? Yes War was a part of Arabian culture and Muslims were slaughtered, so they had to fight and later when it became an Empire with people from different backgrounds, as all other empires did, the Islamic empire also tried to expand.
RE:RE:True Islam
by sony francis on May 03, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
That was a very good message Sameer , i wish there were more people who thought like you .
In a country like India where criminals barely get punished fake encounters are the need of the hour. People are loosing faith in justice system because no terrorists involved in Mumbai Bomb blasts are hanged till death even though it is 14 years completed. Instead of protect those criminals police should kill them in fake encounters and also kill those politicians who are support such crinimals.
RE:Encounters should continue
by Sameer on May 03, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
You brainless Chiru you must know the difference between a criminal and terrorist first.
RE:Encounters should continue
by Harsh Rana on May 03, 2007 09:09 AM Permalink
This UPA-congress government is the only culprit,for all the mishappening in india. this government helps terrorist to get into our country, and try to save them by providing them shelters. AFZAL && kashmir's PDP party is the live examples for that. If we don't get the laws to remove these terrorist form our land, then these type of incidents are the only way left for us indians. MOST IMPORTANT THING... as all of us can see on every net portal, infoblogs that no body likes this traitor CONGRESS party, then why this is in power, this is only because of the fact that we people don't go to vote in polling. SO guys lets cast our vote this time, whatever happens, and remove this party form the power.and encourage others as well to cast their vote. Jai Hind.
RE:Encounters should continue
by Chiru on May 03, 2007 06:47 AM Permalink
Any right thinking human will accept POTA. I fully the police who have killed the criminals in fake encounters. Criminals should be allowed live on this earth. They are the real heroes of the land.
Whatever initial conviction has been handed down to some 100 people after 14 years (its a long way before they appeal to all other legal recourse), its because of POTA.
Now after UPA withdrew that, its even more difficult to convict terrorists, organized underworld.
Gujarat Govt passed a Law which is equivalent of POTA, but Congress has asked the Governor NOT to Sign it.
ALL these isues will be raised in due Course. Modi is waiting for the right moment.
RE:Encounters should continue
by Chiru on May 03, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
During the 14 long years many of those involved in mumbai blasts have indulged in organized crimes like prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, arms dealing and several escaped.
All those people should have been killed in fake encounter instead wasting tax payers money in feeding those criminals. Every peace loving citizen would love to hear the news that criminals are killed in fake encounters
RE:Encounters should continue
by Akram on May 03, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
Dear Chiru,
What about the Patriots who involve in riots and causes same damage as bomb blasts to the society.
Since those killed, raped ,burnt in riots were muslims it is justified. when you are talking about mumbai blasts and not hanging of the culprits. I welcome if all the convicted are hanged for their involvement in the blasts.
will you ask the Govt to take legal action and punish the people who were convicted in SriKrishna commission.
RE:RE:Encounters should continue
by Sameer on May 03, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Bombay blast would have never taken place if Babri Masjid was not demolished.
If you read any balanced analysis on the rise of Hindu right, you will find the issue of Muslim Gangsters, underworld who played a major role in developing Hindu right psyche.
For example, Ashish Nandy. and Others.
So, by shedding croc tears for this "Muslim" gangster, Congress is actually playing into a an issue where BJP/VHP will touch old chord.
When a police officer is killed by these terrorist,how many people come and write on these forum. Terrorist have to be elimanated......or pro pakistanis have to be finished off..... You guys want to live in India and praise Pakistan.........then face it........
RE:SHAME on Congress.......................
by jaibharat on May 03, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
Why r we making so much fuss over the killing of 2 bloody muslims? they are the root cause of insurgencies and wars in trouble spots around the world - Chechnya, South Philipines, South Thailand, Kashmir,Sudan, Palestine. They abuse the freedom they have in India(have they forgotten the Haj subsidies, Congress wooing them for votes). We need more people like Narendra Modi to put them in their proper place in Society.
RE:SHAME on Congress.......................
by Sameer on May 03, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
May God bless you with more grey matter...
See whaz the issue in Chechnya, Philippines, Thailand, Sudan...its not Islam, its politics that forced muslims to fight. try to be tolerant and rational...dont generalise and blame the entire muslim world for a group's deeds.
Its not religion, its politics between India and Pakistan that lead to the blasts and other issues. They want Indians to fight and we fell in the trap.
How many politicians are there, who are Hindus, eating Indias money and killing thousands of poor people forcing them to starve. What our great defense minister did, when our soldiers died in kargil, he was making money on coffins, how about Tehelka tapes and other scams...Advani collected money to build temple for RAM and to make RAM happy, as RAM want to see his birth place to be adorned with a temple and as he cant come n do, he wanted the great activists here to do it.But what happened to the money collected, it was diclosed by Advani's daughter in law that a major chunk was ate by him. So , is he a patriot or is he a terrorist?
RE:SHAME on Congress.......................
by Sameer on May 03, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
First off all, I am angry with terrorist why they kill innocent people, they should kill people like ps and all his RSS father so India can be at peace and no terrorist born or manufactured.
Nobody comes. Teesta goes cooly to offer her Namaz:)-
What nobody is talking here is, deep nexus between Underworld of Gujarat/Maharashtra with terrorists, ISI.
Gujarat was play ground of young Dawood. His lietunent Latif was a dreaded gangster and was eliminated in mid 1990s in an encounter! There are numerous gangs which cameup later and deeply linked with terrorits.
Every intelligent expert knows this. And they wrote about it.
Now they are keeping mum! But Google is brutal! You will find all those with right keywords!
One of the great challenges facing public discourse is how it rises above the partisanship of political parties to focus more consistently on issues of legality and institutional propriety. To use Auden%u2019s incomparable words, %u201CThe rival sergeants run about/ But more to squabble than to find out.%u201D But this only underscores the enormity of the stakes. One of the most suffocating aspects of the current discourse is how openly brazen all parties have become about individuals taking the law into their own hands. The week the fake encounter story broke, Nandigram experienced more violence. This time the government did not send the police in, fearing that this would be a trap. But again just think of what our state was saying: cadres of men, allegedly from the CPM, can come and fire on villagers, hold their lives hostage, but the police will not step in to protect innocent citizens. And now imagine what tribals in Naxal-dominated areas have to face daily. Consider what this means: allowing people to take the law into their own hands is not even considered at best a regrettable necessity; at worst, a harbinger of the unravelling of the state. It is now openly considered an instrument of governance. It is not even an ugly secret that embarrasses the state; it is now its very foundation. We will slide to become a vigilante society. No wonder every two-bit group, with the help of the state, can engage in moral policing, and decide what people may or may not see. India rightly prides itself on being a centrist democracy, but these ugly edges are increasingly revealing the character of that centre. It may also be true that an overwhelming number of Indians would baulk at the kind of moral obtuseness our political parties are displaying. But societies are seldom destroyed by their majorities; they are destroyed when the majority harbours the illusion that lunacy at the margin does not have corrosive effects. And all the signs are that the lunacy is about to descend again. The answer the BJP is giving to what comes after Hindutva is plain and simple: a brazenness and encouragement of thuggishness, pure and simple. Think of the pattern: the BJP has openly declared war on every institution %u2014 from the judiciary to the Election Commission. Its hate rhetoric is subtly being heightened (after all, Kausar Bi was associated with one of %u201Cthem%u201D), and the public culture in states it governs is being destroyed. Now it does not even have the minimal elements of an ideology to fill the vacuum. Its stance on OBC reservations for instance is, given its ideological commitments, inexplicable. But this confusion is symptomatic of a deeper malaise: all lines between right and might have now been blurred. But why blame the BJP alone? We may be moving towards a political system where there are few checks on brazenness. India has a lot going for it, despite, not because, of the state. But still there is great unease. Again Auden, %u201CThe situation of our time/ surrounds us like a baffling crime.%u201D It is provocative to ask this. But will we look back upon Manmohan Singh, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, and Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and remark, decent men all, but they frittered the good times away? Their abdication of leadership allowed their party%u2019s minions to gnaw away at the Republic.
