The problem with Hinduism ( Caste based) ..I can easily convert to to a Muslim or a Christian and learn the bible or Quran and become a Pastor or a Preacher in a mosque.
Would the so called bhrahmins let me convert into a bhrahmin and learn all the books and let me do pooja in a temple? That is the reason why no one wants to convert into a Hindu.
Religion and Caste is the biggest problem in India. Governement should ban religion and worship in public. If someone want to practice religion , they can do it in their own homes.
Also give add every religion and caste under the sun in the reservation list and make it 100% reservation. Then everyone will be happy. If you are good enough you will get a job ..
RE:100% reservation
by parth on Jun 05, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
PPl get converted due to money,offers demanded by other religions.In Hindu right now there's no castism.But some greedy ppl get converted b'coz they want money anyways.
RE:RE:100% reservation
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
Parth,I think you are living in dream world...It is very predominant in most(70%) of INdia. This may not be prevalent on Metros...
RE:100% reservation
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
You talking of lowercaste person of conducting POOJA...HA HA HA... they will conduct temple cleansing ceremony if a lower caste Hindu enters a temple...
RE:100% reservation
by Tinda on Jun 05, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
First you take care of dalit christians who are forced to have their own graveyard and churches. Whey they are not given any reservation in Christian colleges and schools?
T B Cunha!!..Who was the first person to revolt against porgutese---M M Menezes...These are the true goans.the high class Hindus infact supported Portugese while catholics in conjunction with dalits campaigned for goa's liberation..Do not distort history of goa if u don't Know the facts..Rajputs and Sikhs sided with britesh in 1857..Know first who are indians first..Remember even hinduism is a european religion..Jain & Sikhs indian!!!
RE:RE:Who is the father of Goa's Liberation!!!
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Lets agree to one thing that Christians do not resort to methids like rioting to acheiev their cause... hindus have this mob mentality whidch is very clearly sen in media day in and out...
RE:Who is the father of Goa's Liberation!!!
by Tinda on Jun 05, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
"Christians do not resort to methids like rioting to acheiev their cause"
REally? I still remember Christian riots and vanadlising of cinema houses in Hyderabad when Da Vinci Code was released. The US govt. whereupon gave the statement that "Christian terrorism exists only in India."
RE:Who is the father of Goa's Liberation!!!
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Well Bhaskar, Muslims from Persia/Arabia and Hinduism is European, where are the Orignal Indians-?
RE:Who is the father of Goa's Liberation!!!
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
The Dravidians are the real Indians...The Aryans were also Invaders who settled like others...
RE:Who is the father of Goa's Liberation!!!
by jose ferns on Jun 05, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
First learn aryan theory,then dravidian,and also Adolf Hitler's aryan supremancy theory..learn history!!! you dont know even indian civilisation history !! Shame on you and you call yourself Indian!!!You must have been brought by Bristish (or actually r u a Bristish)..All members did u knew Bristish employed some persons like bhaskar to divide Hindus and Muslim so Bristisher can rule!!..All religion are great including Hinduism..But persons like bhaskar makes it bad..Bhaskar ur not even a good Hindu!!!
RE:Pass anti-conversion LAW
by jose ferns on Jun 05, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
The greatest receipent of Foreign chirstian donation(Salvation Army) is infact RSS has anyone inquired about thier account books
RE:Pass anti-conversion LAW
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
These Craps ...Sangh Pariwar ...a bunch of High caste hoodlums are the Indian Hindu terrorist...Yes,they do get donation from all Hindus working abroad IN Muslim or Christian dominated country for hate Christian/Muslim campaign...
RE:Pass anti-conversion LAW
by pp rr on Jun 05, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
Good! thats an amazing statistics that even christians might not know.India is growing in its economy and employment with such a huge inflow of money and infrastructure.At the same time I see we indians flowing to western countries abandoning our bharat "mata" and many as hindu missionaries to convert western minds.people are dying to get US,UK visa and dream dollars.strange indeed,I see the growth of prestigious educational institutions started by christians missonaries where all religions flocks to get admitted and if they dont qualify "they say the grapes is sour".another amazing works started by christians for centuries is orphangaes,schools,colleges,old age homes,hostels,home for the destitute (whom we think they are suffering their karma),counselling centres,vocational training course,helping the opressed etc- Yes ,"Mr.Dayal"-anticonversion laws must be passed to stop christainity to grow.
This is an alter rubbish going on in this forum..BJP communal..Congress minority etc..These reason are absurd go already has uniform civil code..Congress has won not because it is secular but because two villians of Regional Plan 2011 Babush Monseratte quit the congress..and the second one parrikar..if BJP had projected Shripad Naik as CM candidate then BJP tally will be impressive..By the way church advised not to vote for corrupt forces ie congress..hence there was lot of words between congress and Church..But Catholics votes as per their senses ..eg Babush..the entire church was against him but still he won with impressive margin..This election was fought on goan Identity..To throw out bengalis form goa!!!!
RE:RE:Why BJP Lost the elections!!!!!
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
What did all the Swamis do... Vote for Hindu Party (BJP)...Why did the Hindus break the Babri masjid??To garner/corner Hindu votes..Right...
RE:Why BJP Lost the elections!!!!!
by jose ferns on Jun 05, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
YOU forget my last sentence Entire GOA church was against Antanasio Monserrate..CHurch condemmed him in every forum..Then how come he won with big margin...Church has no influence on voters!!! Goan catholics knows what is right ... Infact Archbishop of Goa Phipe Nery.. has supported Manohar Parrikar(BJP CM candidate)..!!! google an see how friendly Archbishop of Goa and Parrikar Was...Bhaskar your outsider u know the ground realities in GOA!!!
RE:Be alert ot stab from behind
by Abraham George on Jun 05, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
why not a brahmin convert or is it u cannot digest the thought of a namboodri converting to christianity?
Unable to handle the fact that the Goan Church (who played an anti-indian role during Portugese era) played active role in this Goa election, you are accusing those who are raising this issue as 'fanatics".
RE:fanatics
by mwealth on Jun 05, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
India was also there during Ramayana & Mahabharat days. India was always there as one entity but it was always a sum of more than all its parts. From the 12th century onwards when Arabs and Muslims began plundering India they took advantage of the castes. India has never invaded any country till today but its lands were usurped by Pakistan in the West and Bangladesh in the East. So when one says anti-India he is not wrong. Do you understand?
RE:RE:fanatics
by Vinod Rai on Jun 05, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
You are indulging in cheap politiking ... You politics is based on dividing the Indians on religious lines and you call this as INdian nationalism...
My knowledge is different than yours. I dont take history classes from uncivilised RSS gurus like you do. I go to school and university for knowledge.
It was British who made India as whole country by conquering small differnt provices . They ruled all those provinces under East India company.
If british didnt rule here we would not even have such a big country called India. It would have been a part of persia or small diffent coutries like in east aFrica.
hehe, as per amartya sen (hope he is not yet a hindu fanatic) the size of empire built by Chandra Gupta Mayura or during Gupta period were bigger than Size of British empire in India.
RE:fanatics
by Sampath S on Jun 05, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
India has always been called Bharathavarsha from time immemorial. It was culturally united with free movement of people. India is recent name coined by the British. You can see the name Bharath in coins and stamps.
RE:fanatics
by Gazanfar Z Azmi on Jun 05, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
I agrre with Abraham...BJP has its set of people sitting on the forum as bunch of frustos... and indulging in Gali galoch....Its shows their culture...The biggets frusto is Bhaskar Chattopadhyay...
Until then hidhuism had a respect from other religions. Since BJP started using it for their political benefits, hndhuism has just become a tool for fanatic hidhuism.
BJP used hiduism to justify the attrocites of their allies towards other religion. Eventually the hidhuism as a whole become enemy to all other religions in India and abroad.
Who made this sickening situation to hinduism? BJP.
But they no longer can use hindus for thier votes anymore. Hinduism is not just a tool for their votes. Its something more than that. Peolple started realising it now and they're rejecting BJP and soon BJP will be eleminated from India when hindus recognise their real enemy within.
RE:RE:RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
They can't play, they have no standing in Punjab. It is Akali vs. Congress, where is BJP-? and you have seen the result in Goa, if they have tried what they have tried in UP, Gujrat and Madhya Pradesh, result should have been worst than what they got.
RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
Now BJP is not isolated in woowing muslims and some hardcore fanatics still believe that BJP is true well wisher of Hindus, see the new clip below:
May 26, 2007 00:17 IST Stung by reverses in recent UP polls, the BJP on Friday announced a slew of measures to woo minorities, particularly Muslims, in rural areas in a big way. The party has set up a national working committee for the minorities. For the first time, a national convention of minorities will be organised in September this year, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain told reporters here. "It has been felt the correct image of BJP is not disseminated among the masses. People still think this is not the party of Muslims. We want to clear this misunderstanding," Hussain, who is party's minorities wing president, said.
RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by on Jun 05, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
By wooing minorities BJP can never win. Muslims and Xians will never support it. It will not manage to get minority votes, it will also lose Hindu votes.
RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Bankey Bihari on Jun 05, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
You are 100% correct. BJP should not put up minorities appeasment mask otherwise it will be like Dhobi Ka Kutta........
RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
No second opinion. Will lose the interest with basic if trying to change the stand.
RE:RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
BJP is worst than Janta Party of V.P. Singh. RIn 1991, AB Bajpai accorded OBC status to Jats in Rajsthan, in 2003 promised ST status to Gujjars in Rajathan, May 26, appeasment for minorities and who can forget the fake promise of Temple in Ayodhya-? Still you think BJP think about betterment of Hindus.
What happened to Hindu culture in Kashmir, erstwhile Punjab, Eastern bengal?
Why do you expect Hindus will keep mum, even after partition based on religious ground and now when Minorities are asking (and getting) special rights in a secular democracy?
DOES IT HAPPEN IN ANY SECULAR COUNTRY?
CAN THESE THINGS BE EVER IMAGINE IN EUROPE, USA?
How long these minority pampering will continue? Did Nehru do that? Answer is NO. Why Congress doing these in last 2-3 decades? Because its loosing space.
Its natural, Hindus will react and Advanis will be reincarnated many a times.
If you think, religion can never mix with politics or vice versa you are a fool.
Read Gandhi's own writings on that.
What is happening is, As congress has lost huge political space in India in last 2-3 decades, its pandering to every people, including rallying minorities.
RE:RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
Wake up Bhaskar, don't be Radio Pakistan who feel honoured inspite of defeat.
RE:RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
Day dreams only, downfall starts now.. When Pakistan lost 1971 war, Radio Pakistan was announcing that our forces have surrender in West Pakistan after examplary courage and retreated cleverly on western front.
RE:BJP is the enemy within.
by Sankaranarayanan Doraiswamy on Jun 05, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
If Muslim League is not politicss BJP also is not Politics. Congress saying secular why joined Muslim League iln Kerala politics first and then whole of India. There was no RSS or BJP in Kerala first but the congress party's policies brought RSS in Kerala Is Muslims only the minorities in India. Why Congress is interested in them alone when they only wanted a separatism from one nation. We know the history that the east and west Muslims of old Bharat started fighting each other. Thanks to BJP otherwise Congress will make this nation another Islamied nation
RE:too much
by Jeevan on Jun 05, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
Shame on people of Goa for electing corrupt, immoral and gundas, such as Babush, Narvekar, Rane, Viswajeet, etc.
RE:RE:too much
by Rana Kamdev on Jun 05, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
You are silver lining-? Shame on the people of 12 States who have congress chief ministers?
Idiot people make the Government, shame on you people like you who don't except the defeat. Loser....
