RE:mao & chyneese lick boot of amerikans
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/us_navy_pages/uss_missouri_bb63_japanese_surrender.htm
Isn't it time India drafts and puts an Act in place to protect its sovereignty? Anything that is full of too many ifs and buts and requires multiple layers of complex and cumbersome negotiations with international ramifications does not work in the long run.Anything based on mistrust takes the shape of a 'deal' which is different from an agreement based on mutual respect.
I am wondering what if India join USA in a defense agreement which guarantees that USA will defend Indian security when attacked by nuclear weapon? If India and USA can make that agreement that will solve all problems, India wont have to test nuclear weapon and will get uninterrupted supply of nuclear fuel and at the same time India's security will be guaranteed by the world's superpower.
RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Why do MODERN Bongs always seek dependence? First they had Queen Victoria, then they had Comrade Stalin, next it was Chairman Mao and now this guy wants Uncle Sam! Laanat hain tujh pur!
RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by Murthy on Jun 03, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
India and USA together can rock the world. It will be a most massive event in the world history if a economic and defense union is created !
Both are on opposite side of the globe and will rule the world literally. Combining indian wisdom, american technology, indian survival instincts and ingenuity, with American pioneerism and inventive genius, i dont think there is anything that will be unachievable.
But it is a union more of fantasy than reality.........but a pleasant supposition.
RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Here is a typical INADEQUATE BRAHMIN, seeking union, willing to live under anybody's rule, as long as there is a rule, even if it be that of Mayawati!
RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Jun 03, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
I personally stronlgly believe that nuclear weapons are slowly going to be phased out from the world. The new weapon of mass destruction will be the economic power.
RE:RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Sudip, I agree with your noble sentiments. The price of freedom is eternal vigil.
RE:Join USA in defense agreement
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
US seeks to castrate i.e. denuke India, per your UNION take the scenario will something like Ukraine. If the religious angle opens up, then they will make a Turkey of the union question. Inevitably there will also be talks from evangelical quarters for doing a Phillipine on India. So you think you are the smart one?
ndia would have to guarantee it would not test any nuclear weapons in the future if India signs this deal (failing to do so and going ahead with the test in the future would result in severe penalties as well as sanctions). Considering the hostile environment India stays in (with China and Pakistan, both nuclear weapons & enemies of India as neighbors who would continue testing and refining their nuclear weapons), signing this deal would be akin to India committing %u2018HARAKIRI%u2019 by signing this deal.
USA is also vague about question of lifetime fuel supplies.
Lastly, not only is the US unwilling to allow reprocessing and part with technology/equipment, but they are unwilling to let any other country do that as well. A lot of our scientists are really worried about this and have openly said so
RE:Congress Govt. is misleading the Indian public on nuclear deal
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
only way is to sign deal with amerika or sign NPT, else nuclear supplie goin to dry up...even russia can't give without sign NPT.
RE:Congress Govt. is misleading the Indian public on nuclear deal
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
forget about so called "indiyan scientific kommunity"...they last won noble prize in 1930. nothin workin - arjoon tank, tejjas aircraft ....all equpment still imported from russia or izrael.
RE:Congress Govt. is misleading the Indian public on nuclear deal
by strictly hindu on Jun 05, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
dont forget ...we r among a few nuclear power states who developed this on its own ...besides that our missile and space technology is adequate ...the reason of failure is not much related to non-capabilities of scientist alone ...its partly bcos of management ...ISRO is much better managed than DRDO ...but the real reason is lack of funds ... So don't pass any comment without any knowledge and if u think that u r very intelligent then clear the interview of BARC
India should not accept the demand which will put us so dependable to others.
1) I consider Reprocessing rights of spent fuel & its reuse without any further payment is more critical factor than N-Test issue. Once, we allow the N-Commerce results in sizeable number of reactors, we will have no other option to abide whatever US & Co say for fuel to run N-Reactor. Let them see the advantage we offer interms of business & IAEA control over our civilian reactor. Main mantra is "Don't forget Tarapur issue & Don't rush".
2) Second part is, Return Clause which is guided by supreme national interest of US & India.It is not necessarily only with N-Test issue but also they could apply pressure tactics to control our Space/ICBM missile programme. Our defense policy is guided by the prevailing security surround us. If China & Pakistan tests N-Bomb, we may also need to do. If it just affects future N-Commerce cooperation, it is fine; But fuel supply guarantee should be of life time for installed reactors. There is some vocabulary change in the agreement that if US ends cooperation, it should not affect other country dealing with India. We should realize that other countries will simply toe the US line in this matter. So, We need to clearly define the boundary without ambiguity & without affecting once installed N-Reactors till its lifetime.
3) I feel that it is high time to involve well classified private industry as joint-venture under DAE/CAG surveillance inorder to advance
How the hell is your point related to the points discussed by Mr. Srinivasan Sathya?
WITHOUT THE CONSENT AND POSITIVE APPROVAL OF THE INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND STRATEGIST COMMUNITY, THIS DEAL CANT BE PASSED AND SIGNED. THATS THE FINAL VERDICT. FOR VERY SIMPLE REASON THAT WE CANT BELIEVE THIS CONGRESS HEADED UPA WHICH HAS ALWAYS SUBMERGED INDIA. COME-ON BJP AND LEFT PARTIES, PLEASE DONT COMPLY WITH THE CONGRESS ASSURANCES WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND STRATEGIST COMMUNITY. WHATEVER CLAUSES, ORIGINAL 123 AGREEMENT HAS THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED BY AMERICA SINCE ITS PREPARED BY OUR STRATEGISTS. HYDE ACT WAS PASSED FOR THEIR(USA) OWN PARLIAMENT'S CLEARANCE. DEAL MUST NOT BE SIGNED WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND STRTEGIST COMMUNITY. THATS FINAL.
RE:RE:RE:US intention is bad
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Yes, India can sign NPT as a N-have nation. The US led neo-colonials want India to sign NPT and give up all N-weapons, so that they can have 'free control' over the whole world for eternity. Well India will make them lose control and establish equitible International law.
RE:US intention is bad
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
well 196 country have already signed...including all major pwers, only 4 have no sign, so 196 cant be wrong ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:US intention is bad
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
whoo said u have to give up nuke after sign NPT ? u can still keep nuke....all russia, usa, china, uk, france...all keep nukes after sign NPT.
RE:US intention is bad
by Cool Dude on Jun 03, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
Allow India into the security council with veto powers and declare it a fully neuclear state and we will comply.. till then...shut up
RE:US intention is bad
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
well amerika invited india to join UN security council in1950 but nehroo propsed chyna instaed...so who is at fault for refusing the offer ?
RE:US intention is bad
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
Yes, anti-Colonial India stood by all third world nations then. It was aware how Britian had become a 'dummy' member in SC, and how Taiwan 'represented' China in SC. India was aware of the real need for stable consodilation of international law. Wait till India puts 'meter down' on N-deal!
RE:US intention is bad
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
While the N-deal talks were going on, India made a statement opposing military action on Iran and also opposing even any economic sanctions. The message ought to have been clear on the outcome even then. If US does not play by rules, there is adequate Indian deterrance to make it comply.
RE:RE:US intention is bad
by dull roots on Jun 03, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
So it is for US decision-makers to choose whether they recognize Indian law and Indian Constitution as a HONOURABLE CONSTITUTION and not pretend that Indian nukes are illegal. This neo-colonial strategy will not cut ice with India.
RE:RE:US intention is bad
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
also forget about the so-called "indiyan scientific kommunity"....they last won nobel pryze in science 1930.
RE:US intention is bad
by srinivasan sathya on Jun 03, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
In life/economics, when you chase something it will elude. U stop run first & raise the level of inner strength & they will sure come at you. My simple solution is that instead of wasting time on this negotiation, just openup N-Sector to private sector Tata, Reliance, Infosys/Wipro with some level knowledge sharing & strict surveillance of external domestic agency. We can lead the world in this sector; Man don't forget we are the mind of 1 billion; if you give opportunity, they will excel.
RE:RE:US intention is bad
by Mao TsePong on Jun 03, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
zat is not a bad idea......privatize everything for better effyciency . after all drdo defenze projekts like arjoon tankk and tejjas figher all no progesss....still equipment being imported from russia & izrael.
