It is nearly impossible to comment on such a landmark deal without studying the final document. However, for any such agreement we must see the following to be kept in mind to hail it a super landmark deal: it must preserve the self respect of two great democratic countries. it should be transparent & meant to be fully implemented & not to hodwink public at large. Such an agreement is essential for the long term survival of not only these two countries but this planet itself. In the absence of such an agreement the two countries will leave such a large carbon footprint-because of their enormous energy need to be met from conventional fuel- that the world will simply be swamped under it. The two great nations owe it to the humanity to come up with a practical solution to be implimented as soon as possible.
RE:Indo-US Nuclear deal.
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Given the range of participants from the Indian side in the deal; DAE technocrats, BJP, congress etc etc... it would be very surprising will all of them colluded to make a shady deal or if all the Indian top brass was fooled.
If it is indeed so then we deserve the deal anyway
I guess India has managed a fairly good deal. Infact, it may be the benchmark for others to follow. If others ask such deals, then they have to behave and be prudent in Nuclear use as India has proved so far. Afteraal, we have behaved quite responsiblle manner in all these years. Our need for energy is going to go real high in coming years. We need to think beyound the conventional energy sources. On the other hand future nuclear weapons are going to be smaller and smarter. We might not even need Nuclear tests in future; we could do with lab simulations.
What was initiated by Atal Bihari Vajpayee of BJP was concluded by Manmohan Singh of Congress. But we must all appreciate the negotiating team too for doing a very fine job. Every negotiation involes an element of give and take.It may not satisfy all Indian Concerns but under the circumstances, it is the best we have.
RE:Good Deal - Good Team Work
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
It is really a win win deal. We should be proud of all concerned kudo Mr Sethi for recognizing the hard work for our public officers.
RE:Good Deal - Good Team Work
by Malladi Prasad on Jul 28, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Before BJP, P.V. Narasimha Rao done the ground work for nuclear explosion. We should be pround of some of her policians
RE:nuk deal
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
How excatly; did some ghosts tell you about soul sellout like Pee Pee in the Prez palace?
RE:nuk deal
by anil on Jul 28, 2007 03:26 PM Permalink
pls see my line about major either my english is not correct or something is amiss major that this is a sellout
RE:nuk deal
by Rahul S on Jul 28, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
You must be a communist..no doubt. Germany, Japan etc have all acquired nuclear technology from US. And see where they stand now comapred to India.
RE:nuk deal
by Ananthakrishnan Punnai on Jul 28, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
Because they never conducted any tests. As simple as that. Both Germany and Japan are capable of making bombs, but they did not show it off to the world. Unfortunately India made the fatal mistake of showing off and in the process paid a heavy price of lagging behind all these years. Had we not conducted the nuclear tests, US would have co-operated with us, as did with Germany and Japan.
RE:RE:nuk deal
by Rahul S on Jul 28, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
You are right..We have to blame Indira Gandhi for that. That old fox wanted to gain political mileage out of those tests.
India cannot depend on the US in the event of a conflict with China and Pak. India will have to face the consequences entirely alone. Not one -US or Russia, (Britain and Europe are of course inconsequential)- will ever come to India's rescue. So unless India develops enough nuke weapons and delivery systems to inflict massive damage to the aggressors, it cannot wish away such a scenario. To develop such weapons, India will necessarily have to conduct nuke tests. No simulation studies can replicate or generate the information needed to have truly proven, guaranteed and operational deterrent security cover for the country. So it is meaningless for any PM to bind this country to deals such as the 123 Agreement in the face of such ominous environment in the neighbourhood. In the light of these facts, it will be sheer betrayal of this guileless nation if our politicians and bureaucrats sign and seal this or any such similar deals now or ever in the future and thereby seal the fate of this harmless and well meaning country.
RE:India needs to conduct many more tests
by Sharad on Jul 28, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
India should not depend on anybody for help. It should take care of its national interests. The definition of national interest can differ from person to person, depending on their view point.
Whether the national interest is retaining our independence to conduct future nuclear tests (mind you, we neither have the nuclear fuel, nor a fully developed technology for that purpose. Otherwise, we wouldn't be trying to make this deal with US) or if it is acquiring the fuel supply and technology to develop our economy, and get into a position of strength is DEBATABLE. Both view points have some merit, and there is always a trade-off.
I prefer the latter and developing our energy infrastructure/economy is greater priority and it will pay-off immediately. I am not so sure about possessing the latest nuclear weapons at the cost of developing our econonmy. I am also not sure if any responsible nation can use nuclear weapon (whether it is China, US, Russia, Pakistan or India) in the event of a war. Future wars will be conventional ones and local. With Globalization, the pressure will be on to wind up any war quickly. Look at US bogged down in Iraq. It is not the lack of technology or superiority, but it is due to the National and International Pressure that their military is not able to rout the enemy.
RE:India needs to conduct many more tests
by mohan lal on Jul 28, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
It is great mr Naalayak, I fully agrre with you. At this moment, this is the best deal. We should not remain in isolated condition, which always leads to problems. There is not any nedd to test the nuke immediately. If required at the later stage we can come out from the deal. Let us get stronger first.
RE:RE:India needs to conduct many more tests
by Naalayak Chhokra on Jul 28, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
check this out in the article Major "Making it clear that the US would seek return of nuclear technology and fuel if India conducts a nuclear test "
RE:India needs to conduct many more tests
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
Poor you read what Nick Burn actually said dear:
He did not say nuke tech will be returned he said they posses the right to ask for return in case of eventuallity a general vauge statement that is made for public consumption.
How do you return techonlogy? Brainwash Indian scientist who know it?
Can you take back a nuclear plant?
Be reasonable this is just a throw away bone to the Non proliferation Ayatollah lobby paid by China.
Thin veil...
In any case there are never any guarantees of future; laws can be changed and people do opt out of pacts. this is a poor excuse.
RE:India needs to conduct many more tests
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Dont spread lies my friend; DAE is on board. What is your locus standi; how do you say that we need more tests to make more weapons? We have already tested enough and even if we need to test more who stops!!
dear Sassy, you sure know very little about nuke technology! Read Dr.A.N.Prasad's rejoinders and interviews in rediff columns and newspapers. He was chief of Nuclear Safety Board, Expert on IAEA Board, and many other vital nuclear functions. While I am a mere technologist with some knowledge of only enrichment, he is an eminent nuclear scientist, innovator, planner, trainer, team builder,administrator and a visionary in the area of nuclear science and technology. He has said without mincing words that no nuke weapons system can be built and put into operational mode without actual tests. Pure simulation studies cannot give you enough knowledge and database needed to build fool-proof, guaranteed--to-work nuke weapon systems. While even a bike designer would not rely solely on simulation to claim performance, you can't expect an entire deterrent nuke weapons system to be designed, built and put in place purely based on simulation studies. No scientist/ group of scientists worth the name will ever stake their career, reputation and security of the country saying that they can build a whole network of weapons systems only using simulation studies.
RE:you can win a trip to Singapore, a Bajaj Pulsar,
by parkar sarkar on Jul 28, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
have you won ir post your advt only after winning it
RE:ABV zindabad
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
I second you on this. vajpayee is indeed a right politician with the right attitude. But i doubt the congi govt. It is such an oppur party that it will take credit for evrything which is out of its context.
RE:RE:ABV zindabad
by Sharad on Jul 28, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
That is for the public consumption. Usually the successor govt does not totally repudiate the stands and agreements made by the previous govt. This is just to pander to their bases and for media consumption that they publicly make different statements. There is always an undercurrent of agreement between parties whether it is Left, Congress or the BJP. Globalization is a classic example. Though congress won the election based on some public protest against reforms, they are continuing the reforms. The BJP, when it was in power, not only pursued the reforms started by congress, but accelerated it. The public display of politics is different from the private agreements these parties have. This is the same thing in the US. The democrats and the republicans make different kind of noise for media/public consumption, but always trade deals when it comes to legislation and administration.
Can we trust our Politicians to come out with win win situation?.. The past agreements India had ex Simla , or going to Un on JK issue have not solved our problems, nor signing a Nuclear treaty with america is , i hope our politicians have read the fine Print.
RE:Nuclear treaty with american.
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Yes since this has BJP on board and the others were actions by Nehru-Maino family
beggars are no chosers.america is right.why at all there should be conflict.both sides must honour the agreement.use of nuclear weapons shall be banned.smaller states are afraid of u.s.a.therfore they are taking the course of development of nuclear weapons.all nuclear states shall meet under U.N. umbrella to protect the human race from disaster.confidence,assurance to the smaller states will dissuade them from developing weapons.
RE:nuclear co-operation
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
wonder what difference education will make a human being. You are as ignorant as any can be. May be u r located in US. But never try to mistreat ur country. It is as same as mistreating your mother.
RE:nuclear co-operation
by humanist on Jul 28, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
may be u r a beggar. v r not.
see the state of us debt, immediate market situations and its future implications, then enlighten us with ur cheap ideas.
soon the days will be over if people r intelligent enough that selling weapons, creating wars, creating divisions between nations n people and such cheap tricks are not sustainable in long run.
RE:nuclear co-operation
by tathya on Jul 28, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
Choose words carefully!The deal is between 2 equal partners.Thats what even Joint declaration states. And reg.smaller states developing N weapons etc..& regarding meet under UN etc. Its bio-politics at work......MAinly writing to caution u to respect our country first then human race etc....
Whatever the US officials say, it is a better deal for India than for US. We are going to get nuclear fuel as well as technology without sacrificing on your national security. Well done India.
RE:RE:Good Deal
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
You dont understand it is in US intrests that we flourish and are on USA good side. It is win win.
They are offering a hand of a partner since they desperately need one as their older partners UK, Germany are rapidly turning old and senile.
India with its youth and strength can be the future if we all do the right thing.
