Everyday I can see news about Haneef. I am reallly got pissed off with these news. Why are u giving importance this stupid guy ? what the hell we have to if he breaks down.. Now he is Australian and not Indian..forget him. There are lot of our military men are getting killed by these extremist terrorist..plz show the picture and story of the family memebers of our lost military man.......
RE:RE:bandh karo haneef ka natak
by senthil kumar on Jul 24, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Rediff can concentrate on our Military personell who lost their valuable lives fighting against militants , Naxals etc..
We should be proud of such People. Not like guys like haneef..
RE:bandh karo haneef ka natak
by alok kataria on Jul 24, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
yah you are right Mangesh. Media use to highlight Gangsters like Dawood and Salem, which motivates our young generation to be like that only, bcoz it's easier and much faster way to be in limelight. Army peronals are given importance only during wars. Once war like kargil is over, their heroic errorts are forgotten.
I am apalled that people cannot express their views without taking recourse to abuse. This expression of abuse is an indication of their upbringing and education.
Ask any Muslim in India, and he will tell you how he is discriminated against. No one offers them jobs, no one rents them houses- thus forcing them to stay in ghettos.
We stereotype them wherever possible. Think about it.
RE:Indian Muslims are discriminated against
by on Jul 24, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
Bakvas you are maligining our entire country without any proof and basis!!
RE:RE:Indian Muslims are discriminated against
by Sankar Mitra on Jul 24, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
The proof that Islam is not a Satan religion are many. Some are listed below: - Almost immediately on its birth, Islam spread out like fire across the entire known world of that time i.e. Asia, Europe and Africa. Why so many people in so many countries embraced the religion? Islam is nearly 1500 years old. If it was satanic, it could not have lasted that long. Islam has given enriched mankind in many fields like arts. science, medicine, mathematics, engineering, architecture, music, military technology and so on. Secularism is inherent in Islam. Out of all the prophets mentioned in Quoran, barring Mohammed, all belong to other religions. During Harun al Rashid's time, there was a club in Baghdad, wher representatives from different religions from different parts of the world (which included brahmins from Konkan) used to meet to exchange ideas and this was nearly 1200 years back. On the contrary, crimes committed by christians against humanity (including Christians) has no parellal. To name a few, I would like to mention the following few: - For hundreds of years, thousands of Christians were burnt at the stakes of inquisition in Europe and elsewherby the orders of the clergy and that includes a large number of famous persons. Slave trade supported by the Pope. Total destruction of old civilisations of Americas. Dropping of Atom Bombs. When Islam arrived in Istambul, one old aristrocat had said, "Turban of Islam is better than the Tiara of the Pope" Regards
RE:Indian Muslims are discriminated against
by james on Jul 24, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
It is simple buddy.We are afraid of muslims.at any time u can kill me saying some reasons.how can i dare to have u with me when u r not good?
RE:Indian Muslims are discriminated against
by Ravindra on Jul 24, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
True, At any time Muslims kills anyone by chnatiing Allah-o-akbar. SO we dont give them house on rent and more or less a vegetarian hindu will not allow muslim bocz they know these muslim fellos cook non veg daily
RE:Indian Muslims are discriminated against
by Sankar Mitra on Jul 24, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
It is because, we have read wrong history that was written by the British. British won the battle at Palasy by bribery and they put Mir Zafar on the throne of Murshidabad. Subsquently, history was written by them and that history blames Mir Zafar as the great betrayer. So much so that from my childhood I grew up with the knowledge that all Muslims are betrayers. Luckily I was interested in history and later on I came to know that the real betrayers were all Hindu businessmen (Jagat Seth, Umi Chand) and few big Zamindars including Rani Bhavani; only Muslim in this group of conspiratora was Ghasiti Begum (a relative of Shiraz). It is also true that most of the people were fed up with Shiraz because of his weak character - particularly his bad habit of womanising, which was creating terror in villages of Bengal. Apparantly, Mir Zafar was more interested to get rid of the weak charactered Shiraz than to sit on the throne. But the fact remains that the names of the real conspirators are not kmown to the public and Mir Zafar was made a scape goat by the Britishers, which helped them to follow the policy of divide and rule. Regards
I've read most of the comments here. Why we cannot understand one basic concept, good and bad is there in every religion. The people are talking here as if all the Hindus and christains are saints. I myself is a muslim and condemn the acts of terrorism, no matter to which religion that terrorist belongs. If given a chance, i will be the first person to shoot that terrorist. But one should not blame the entire religion for the wrong doings of some people. If Islam and it's teachings are wrong,as mentioned by some of my friends here, then why Islam is the fastest growing religiog, specially among non-muslims? One of the recent example, a devotee from Haryana who was on Amarnath pilgrimage embraced islam. Who forced him to come to Islam? You can check the following article:
My dear Hindu brothers, let's stop the blame game, let's work together for the development of India. No one is going to gain anything by this mud slinging. Many people are of the opinion here, how an educated person can support terrorism? My question is also same to Haneef as well to my many Hindu freinds here, how they can be so intolerent about Islam. My Hindu friends are also educated enough to understand that good & bad is there in every religion, then why pin point only Islam? I have immense respect for all the religions, Islam tought me to respect all the religions.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by hakeem on Jul 24, 2007 07:34 PM Permalink
THE HANDS THAT WERE ONCE RAISED TO DESTROY BABRI MASJID ARE NOW RAISED SEEKING FORGIVENESS FROM ALLAH (SWT)!
Among the fears of lakhs [hundreds of thousands] of Kar Sevak who had gathered to demolish the Babri Masjid , few furiously climbed on the majestic minaret of the mosque. The most important among the few were Shive Sainik. A resident of Faisalabad, where Ayodhya is situated, Shive Prasad was the captain of Bajrang Dal. He was given the responsibility to guide four thousand Kar Sevak in the demolition of mosque.
It was he who gave training to four thousands of people under him, on how to carry the demolition. On seeing the majestic minarets of the mosque come down Captain Prasad was overjoyed and shouted the Ram! Ram! This happened seven years ago.
On Dec. 6 ,1999 the same Shive Prasad was seeking forgiveness from Allah for his cruel act seven years back. This 6 Dec.1999 he was fasting (non-obligatory) and regretting for the act with tears and was seeking forgiveness from Allah (SWT) in his prayers.
Shive Prasads father Trigal Ramanathan was chief among the heads of Sangh Parivar. His whole family was actively involved in demolishing the Babri Masjid.
RE:RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by hakeem on Jul 24, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
When Shive Prasad embraced Islam he was driven out by his family members who were strong RSS activists. Shive Prasad says that among those who led the demolition on the spot were Ashok Singhal and Advani. On the day of demolition the police and CRPF connived with the leaders of BJP, Bajrang Dal and RSS. Both these law enforcing agencies greatly helped in the demolition.
Now, Shive Prasad is receiving continuous threatenings from RSS, BJP and Bajrang Dal. Sangh Parivar has threatened to kill if he returns to India.
Having learnt 17 Surahs in the Holy Qur'an, he is anxious to complete learning the whole of the Holy Qur'an. His ambition is to become a true Islamic preacher and and bring ignorant people to light. If Allah wishes, his ambition will be fulfilled and the very same hands which demolished the Babri Masjid will built up again.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by boney on Jul 24, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
I agree , That is why we take proud in telling that we have the second largest Muslim population , but the first largest peaceful muslim population.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by 666 on Jul 24, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
there are lots of such messages, but you are a blind discriminator. That's why you call yourself ''muslim eater''. You are sick!
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by Maverick R on Jul 24, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
About http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Journey_to_Amarnath_ends_in_embracing_Islam/articleshow/2221824.cms There are lots of conversions from hindu-muslim-christian is happening all around the world. Last month, a muslim girl in my native eloped with a hindu guy and got converted, it was not in the news. Is that means hinduism is fast growing, there are so such statistics. If you read by articles, I can show you the article in al-jazeera where in muslim mullahs are worried about the conversions which is happening to other religions from Islam. No Hatred. You are a proud Indian Muslim, myself a proud Indian Hindu, my beleif which withstood many invasions, still growing stronger becasue we beleive in PEACE
RE:RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by hakeem on Jul 24, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
There is a lot of difference in running away with someone you love and converting to his/her religion and copnverting only for the love of Allah (swt).
Infact Islam discourages conversions based on girl friend/boy friend love and marriage.
The religion of Islam is only for the sake/love of Allah (swt) and nothing else!
I can give you countless instances of the type you have mentioned, the only difference being the boy or girl reverted to Islam! But this is not conversion for the sake of religion of god but for the sake of your loved ones and their family and this is not encouraged in Islam.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by Well Wisher on Jul 24, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
My dear friend (maverick), yes, i too have read that. That conversion has got to do with the love for that guy. The conversion i am talking about is for the love of ISLAM. That's too during the holy pilgrimage. But what i m saying is true my friend. Islam is the fastest growing religion, specially among non-muslims. You search that on Google or any other sites. Inspite of being critized and being projected in the most negative way, people are still getting attracted towards the beautiful religion of ISLAM. During the book fair in patna, the largest selling book was "Holy Quran" it was purchased by many non-muslims. I request you also to read the Holy Quran with meanings to know the real teachings of Islam.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by Maverick R on Jul 24, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Dear Well Wisher, If you see the comments given by DESHMUKH PARITOSH, Hinduism is not a religion it is a disciplined way of living. Our focus is on supreme, which need not be necessary in formless. We beleive in anient techniques like yoga, meditation, vastu etc. When you are praying to the supreme power, you need to concentrate on something, that is what we do idol workship. Even there is no need to for us to go to temple, we can concentrate in our mind and can pray. And temples is a cultural centres. And about conversion, in hinduism we never compell anyone to embrace our religion, its a way of living. I heard from one of my muslim friends, that the mullah in the mosque thought him that if he converts someone, he will go to heaven. I agree with you above comments, I am telling this this happens in every religion, that the example of the famous sitar maestos son who converted to hindu. Dont go with the statisticcs, who is converting in to what. At the end of the day find out how we human beings are living together. The religion is not giving a hungry person , a time food. You can see the beggers getting qued up in fron of mosque, temple or church. Our topic is why your beleif spreads so much of hatred. No other religion sends human bombs in the name of religion. No other religion spreads so much hate like Islam.
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by Praveen K on Jul 24, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, I do respect your feeligs.... i second it your statements......
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by on Jul 24, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
Islam is the fastest growing religion in India today because most Indian muslims are not well educated and under the infulence of Mullah rather than science and dont go in for family planning.
Not conversions. Get your facts right.
As to how the educated can support terrorism perhaps you should ask OBL he has used a lot of educated folks!
RE:RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by hakeem on Jul 24, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
Scholar of Scholars had made it absolutely clear that Osama Bin Ladens acts are a heresy against Islam.
http://www.livingislam.org/maa/dcmm_e.html
Above is the fatwa issued against reckless killing of innocents no matter watever their grieviences against the oppressors!
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by RNarasimhan on Jul 24, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
Dear friend,
Your mail is well written. I have many Muslim friends in India and USA. I would like to mention that not all Hindus are Muslim-haters. In my opinion, 99% of Hindus would have Muslim friends. I have met many Pakistanis in USA and they too like Indians. Unfortunately, a small gap is blown out of proportion.
I am an ardent admirer of Mohammed Rafi, Talat Mahmood, Naushad, Sahir Ludhianvi, Shaqeel Badhayuni, Kaifi Azmi, Dr.Rahi Masoom Reza, Annu Malik, et al. July/31 is 27th Rafi Memorial Day and I am listening to his songs more intensely, with a heavy heart, as he is not with us. "Tu Hindu banega na Musalman banega, insan ki aulad mein insan banega".
RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by DESHMUKH PARITOSH on Jul 24, 2007 07:39 PM Permalink
Muslims fail to understand that relation between god and human is at individual level. Hinduism is the term given by westerners. Hinduism is not a religion it is a disciplined way of living. Our focus is on supreme, which need not be necessary in formless. Unlike Hinduism, Christianity, Islam and other religion are community based. Like Lamb and Shepard.
No matter how sweet you tell, No matter how much violence you spread, no matter how long you betray. It is the faith of Hindu as an individual that binds the relationship with God.
When you can%u2019t maintain in faith of in the religion he/ she takes birth. How can he or she talks about right faith and wrong faith. Faith is a test of perseverance. Sacrifice is an act of appeasement. Unfortunately, these messages are hardly understood by community based religion. It requires understanding rather making propaganda.
Chritians do not recognise Mohammed as a messanger because he did not treat jesus as a son of god.
Hindu do recognise both as messanger, but we also recognise that it is matter of good acts as a path to supreme. Not following to the manipulated propaganda.
RE:RE:Islam, the religion of Peace
by hakeem on Jul 24, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
You are an Hindu and I am a Muslims or a third is a Christian or Sikh only because he was born in a family that practised their religion.
The prophet (saw) said that all individuals are born with a natural tendency (fitrah) to worship one god. Its their parents who make them a Jew, a Christian, a Sikh or an Hindu.
Sacrifice and Perseverance are two words among the words most mentioned in the Quran!
By (the Token of) Time (through the ages), Verily Man is in loss, Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy- (Al-Quran 103)
O you who believe, seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient..(Al-Quran 2)
O you who believe, be steadfast; be supreme in steadfastness... (Surah Al Imran, 200)
Whoever remains patient, Allah will make him patient. Nobody can be given a blessing better and greater than patience. (Bukhari)
Attaining this secret is extremely easy. Allah manifests His attribute -Al-Sabur (The Patient) on those who believe in Him and helps perfect the determination in their hearts.
The example of a believer is that of a fresh tender plant. From whatever direction the wind comes, it bends it. But when the wind becomes quiet, it becomes straight again. Similarly, a believer is afflicted with calamities (but remains patient until Allah removes the difficulty). (Bukhari)
Why you people are praying for his hangling when it is well proven he is innocent. More than these terrorists you guys are danger for this nation hurting emotions of innocent and creating rift with your every irresponsible dialogues. Tomorrow if more bomb blasts happens and innocents become terrorists you guys would be mroe responsible for converting them into a terrorists than a maulana mullah. You blind guys seed hatred be it on the basis of regionalism or castism or religionalism. Mullahs and Mualanas Bukharis and Gandhis are not less terrorists who are givign way to divide and rule politics on the cost of nation, but what less are you guys? You are ready to kill Biharis when they win some job in assam or Maharastra, you are willing to kill people if they are in madras and basically hindi speaking, you are ready to hang an innocent person becuase he is a muslim...what are you doing? and what you will do if some terrorist is born out of your hatred and kills your family in another bomb blast??? Come on and stop this all. be human. Haneef is innocent it si well proven. Don't behave irresponsibly otherwise you don't have any reason toc ry or mourn upon your dead ones tomorrow. Stop this war of hatred and unite to build strong nation and large hearted human species.
RE:Shame
by rohit roy on Jul 24, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
And just imagine how you would feel when you are innocent, alive and confined and not able to see your new born child for so many days. have sense that how a person could do suicidal act when he does not want to die and who dreams to lead a simple life with his family and new born baby? Where is the human lost in your heart and where the the logic lost in your head when you plead about his hanging???? How would you feel when you fidn tomorrow that your dad is murdered while returning to home..that too by mistake!
wht's with rediff why are they kissing haneef's behind, looks like rediff glorifies terroriss, it's al jazeera's sister org in india. Indians supporting such terrorists elements proves to the world that india is just like pakiistan 3rd world terrorist country
Its such a shame for aussies that they are not able to make a case against him! Now finding excuses like having daneil peral vids and etc, whatt the heck,its the same hotch potch US did in iraq WMDs WMDs and whjen they reached there? nuffin!!then they said ohh iran oooh syria ohhh sunnis ohhh shias!they have maligned a name of an innocent person who now might act differently,the way they want him!u got ma point!!!theres no turning back,hes been scarred,imagine this happening to us,later told oh we got nuffin against u,now want u out of this country!wtffff!y him!juss coz hes a muslim,now half of the world will think hes innocent and half that he is a culprit! but truly he was nothing,just a doctor comming to india!!!but with a name called mohammad Haneef! shows bigotory and double standards!!!
RE:RE:its now a division
by puneet arora on Jul 24, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
one in front also........so that they cannot give birth also........hahahhaha
