RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by sahi on Feb 16, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
Your logic makes it sound like 1) Aurangzeb had non-muslim workers so it negates everything else he did against non-muslims.
1) So we have a muslim president does that mean killing muslims is ok.
No Killing in the name of religion is an atrocity hence aurangzeb was atrocious.
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Peace For All on Feb 16, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
That is exactly the discussion going on Mr Sahi... According to the author Francois Gautier Aurangazeb killed people because of relegeous fanatism... And now we have Md Osmaan contradicting it.. I think the author now should have the responsibility to clear the doubts...
Because if we were taliking just about cruel rulers then we have hoardes of them in every page in our history
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by ad on Feb 16, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
you article is a complete sham, mister.
are you trying to tell me that sambhaji, shivaji's son was killed, after having his eyes plucked out with hot rods, because he refused to play marbles with Aurangzeb.? he was killed and tortured because he refused to convert to Islam.
such a distorted view of history can only come from a person who is in a state of denial.
Of course not all Muslims are such monsters. In fact 90 % of them are peace loving like you and me.
But such a denial of basic facts will not help us in understanding history.
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by wada pav on Mar 25, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
Sant Ramdas..spiritual guru of Chhatrapati Shivaji said this in joy after he heard the news aurnagzebs death..
" Budala Aurangya Paapi..Hindusthan Balavale'
"Aurangya the sinner has sunk...Hindusthan is stronger..."
was he lying ?
Sikh guru's ahev also left behind valuable verses against aurangzeba dn other muslim kings.
should the opinions of such noble men not be considered authentic ? or is romila thapar who lived 300 years later, more authentic
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Peace For All on Feb 16, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
Well i am pretty bad at history... And after reading this article and then the one written by Mohammed Osman I am fully confused...
Hope that the author of the original article can read this and clear the mess...
Well if he has started it he should also finish it...
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by samiuddin on Feb 16, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
Guys let's not look back at what happened, past is past.lets look forward to what can be done and the only way i see India growing is by standing united. It would be really admirable if rediff comes out with responsible articles seeing the present state of affairs.
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by damien martin on Feb 16, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
The taxation most hindus tax about is JIZIYA.But how many of them know the meaning of this. Muslims by islamic law have to pay ZAKATH (Tax to the poor). So the hindus on the other hand had to pay JIZIYA ( a tax for protection from the state). But the polititians distort these terms and spread it in masses to gain political milage. Read famous historians u ll know that Aurangzeb was a true ruler he did noot waste money in building architectural monuments(infact he was the most powerful rulers of mughals his kingdom expanding to most part of india). U guyz who r shouting so much in this box how many of u have actually done research on this subject. U guyz are biased and just shout with out knowing the truth. If u want to know the truth the read historians like akhliesh mittal etc ull know the truth.
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by mks on Feb 16, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
all these where marxsist historians ..who create there own imaginative facts...and people like u refer to them as source of truth..
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Peace For All on Feb 16, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
i would like to know from where you refer your history Mr MKS Would like to know if there is an alternative place where we can get proper history details
RE:RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by mks on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
for e.g Francois Gautier who is writing against Aurangzeb..would u not consider him authentic..if no..then why is it so... The names you have refered in your above article could be baised isn't it...just a thought
RE:RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by wada pav on Mar 25, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Maratha and Sikhs have left behind authentic records...we don't have to read Romila thapar's history...
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by on Feb 16, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Not replying with facts to Usman will be like supporting the dishonest.Jaswant Singh fought with Aurangzeb.Durga Das Rathore fought against Aurangzeb to save Ajit Singh from Aurangzeb's clutches.On Jaswant's death Aurangzeb said "Darwaza e Kufr Shikas" or the doors on the kafirs are now closed.Aurangzeb sent Afzal Khan to subdue Shivaji and Afzal by today's standards is a war criminal as his emperor.Guru Teg Bahadur was beheaded after terrible torture.The Sikh history should shed some light on this writer who claims that Aurangzeb was benevolent.Why then the edicts of eradicating Hinduism after all.Truth is:Aurangzeb was a shrewd politician as well;compromised Rajputs could be used to force his way on India.Shambhaji was tortured and killed on his orders.Shivaji was fortunate on that count and we should be thankful to this man who almost single handedly broke the Mughal spine.Time to wake up man!One should be able to distinguish between Aurangzeb and an ordinary peace loving Muslim.Aurangzeb is an example of a blind follower of fundamentalist Islam.
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Victor Martins on Feb 16, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
Somewhere you have mentioned about reading a "Govt approved text book"? Which govt) The Indian Govt which will bend any ways to appease the muslims.... The Govt, which does not allow scholars to research on politically unpleasant topics? Read about, how the FULBRIGHT scholars are denied entry into India....on Indian Express....
Just waiting for the Indian Govt to declare a BHARAT RATNA award for Osama bin Laden ....for humanity...
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Anshuman Mishra on Feb 16, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
It is not my arguement. After reading all that you written above, I have a curiosity, why did he then demolish temples?
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Jagdish H Patel on Feb 16, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
For Jizaya tax, you believe only non-muslim adults should fight to protect muslim emporer or to increase the limits ? Why it was not imposed to both ? And at the time of this "Devil " Emporer, empire was more safer than in time of Akbar. Why he need to force people for war ? Mostly this kind of people appraised more radical people from their religion only. They try to prove them right with one or two lines stolen from whole book worth or documents. Be aware about this fox. Not only from one religion, from any religion. This person is arguing about Aurangzeb being scholar to Kuran, so he could not do wrong. Then why he killed his brother any thousands or innocent people too ? Bush is reading Bible and he has admitted that he gets inspiration from religion. So whatever he does is right ? think before arguing.
RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Gaurav Sharma on Feb 16, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
Though I've hated Aurangzeb throughout but I feel Md. Osman's article should be researched properly. If indeed its true what he's written then we all will have to look at Aurangzeb in a new light.
I would request Francois to please reply to Osman's version. It would be interesting to see both replying to each other as both Francois and Osman seem well learned and seem to have done proper research on the topic.
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by Peace For All on Feb 16, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
i second you pal... instead of we all fighting each other... the auther should reply to the post written by Md Osman...
Japanese do not treat Americans as their enemies though the latter dropped an atom bomb on their country not very long ago. But it does not mean the history books in Japan do not say about this fact. In fact this bombing and the consequent human misery have made so much impact on Japanese themselves that they never talk about making nuclear missiles though they are in a much better position than the pauper countries like Pakistan and North Korea.
Histor has to be read with facts. Then only you can draw proper lessons that could help future generations. What Mr. Gautier has told us is an unadultrated piece of history. Let us try to see it as history and not as a muslim persecution of Hindus.
The problem in this country has been the lack of serious research and documentation of historical facts. The facts brought out by William Dalrymple in his latest book 'The last Mughal' are based on certain documents preserved in Indian archives which were never even touched by any of the so called historians of India. What a shame? Indian historians have interpreted history in the terms they wanted or their political bosses liked. This 'colouring' of the history has deprived us of the knowledge of our real past.
In conclusion I can say, there is no harm in knowing our not-so-happy past and infact we should encourage only those historians who tell us facts based on credible evidence. We should learn from history but not to repeat it...
Nice Article. As said in the piece,there is nothing wrong in telling the history as it is . We read so much about the tortures of british to Indians during their regim but we never think that a christian did that to a Hindu or a Muslim. Thinking on that front also looks absurd So if history is said in a specific manner such that people understand it ,it should not be a problem .But having said this Hindu outfits now claiming to rebuild those temples in the same place is also not correct. History has happend and there is no point in going back and finding solutions for the past .
RE:Good Article
by vijay on Feb 16, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
Today is tomorrow history. So can i today go and destroy all the mosques? Tomorrow people will say it is history and walk off.
RE:RE:Untangling myth from fiction: Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb's Reign of Power
by F17 on Feb 16, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
Raj--> mad man on the loose.. Help yourself....
Accept the Fact we are fighting but who is making us fight its the US. you know why they want Muslims to be wiped out so that no one could rise against Christianity. They are on a Mission to RULE the World. We all are FOOLS since Western Countries are actually being Ruled by Christian they are afraid of Muslims, since Muslims are the one who can stand against them being in every part of the World. My dear Hindu friends dont fight these people like Francois Gautier is on mission and they will win if we fight. Just see the picture wide it is a fact that we are only targetted so that we can fight and get finished so that they can RULE. I will not say its in the MIND of Every Christian and I am very sure its not in the minds of Christian living in India. But it is the Missionaries who are working behind. JUST STOP fighting PLZ. JAI HIND, JAI BHARATH "MERA DESH MAHAAN" LETS BE UNITED.
