RE:HINDUS KILLED HINDUS IN MAHABHARAT
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 06, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
What is "lost intelligence". What rubbish! I never heard people using such absurd combination of words where something unacquired could be lost because it would be unable to decipher the knowledge of it through limited contact when the standards of it's facility vary from being to being and are relative to eachother during observation. Why don't you learn a bit of English man before you post such nonsense combination of words several times in your postings.
RE:RE:HINDUS KILLED HINDUS IN MAHABHARAT
by sadiq hussain on Mar 06, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
so,mr.chaitanya kumar is catching words instead of concentrating on matter,which suggets he does not want to accept the "bitter truth".keep it up.By he way,"bitter truth" means "kadwa sach".
RE:RE:RE:HINDUS KILLED HINDUS IN MAHABHARAT
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 06, 2007 06:10 PM Permalink
what's the point in expressing something when you fail to express it the understanable way. No point in using madrassa kachra knowledge here. People will find it difficult to understand. what "bitter truth" are you talking about anyway?
RE:HINDUS KILLED HINDUS IN MAHABHARAT
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Your post doesn't make sense. Are you suggesting it's OK for Muslims to kill Muslims in Pakistan because they are inspired by Krishan's stirring words to Arjun ?
Read comments from any islam follower and they will turn a blind eye. Akbar wasn't a great king because he patronised Hindus. But, then that is exactly the reason for stability and some support from rajputs.
Aurangzeb lived a simple,islamic life. He was the greatest mughal emperor. That's all the mullah's teach in MAdrasa nothing about why Akbar succeeded from scratch and Aurangzeb already had a well established empire to look after. the students of these mullahs can't even analyse before and after and they come out teaching.
The mughal empire was no longer a mughal empire at his death. On his death bed he was a defeated man/king. He was the worst emperor in implementation for future but for an average muslim he was the greatest in those days because of the benefits they got whereas the way Hindus were treated.
RE:Islamizton or is it all Mullahisation
by Perv Sharma on Mar 07, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
You are right Aurangzeb was on teh path of truth of Islam religion i.e just kill the original Hindus of the land. For a looter the truth is to kill and loot and by agreeing that aurganzeb was on the path of truth you have said that islam is a religion of loot and kill.
RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 06, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
There is no evidence to say that these things are the best. If Islam spreads, all other people will have to fear for their lives and if everyone accepts Islam, there will be Muslim-Muslim riots as we see in Pakistan, simply because Muslims are aggressive fundamentalists
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by Mike Gandhi on Mar 06, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
Dear Dr. Ramanand Rao, You are really lost intelligence case. YOur are telling muslims are killing muslims in pakistan. Tell me dear frankly. what do you think about Krishna ?? Who misguided pandwas to kill their brothers and sisters in for the tiny land of Hastinapur state. In this battle more than 10 billion innocent hindus murdered by hindus. And who ordered to kill ?? Krishna, the great adultrer and terrorist of the history.Was Krishna and Arjuna were Muslims ? Dont hesitate to accept the reality that in hinduism and hindu holy books are full of terrorism.This is not my wording. In reg ved so many place you will find terrorism and fanatics mantras.These quote you find in Vedas (rigved mandal 1 khand 103, Mantra 3)(rigved mandal 1 khand 130, mantra 8)(rigved mandal 1, khand 133, mantra 4 & 2) (rigved mandal 1, khand 147, mantra 7&8))(rigved mandal 10, khand khand 84, mantra 4)and so many many place you can find like these mantras. I assume vedas are ancient book of terrorist training manual.
RE:RE:RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by Ramesh P on Mar 07, 2007 04:48 AM Permalink
Krishna asked Pandavas to kill the Bad Kauravas even if they were thier brothers. Similarly the muslims should kill the terrorists and extremists in thier religion, if they belong to thier brotherhood and not kill innocents for the sake of "expanding" thier brotherhood, your comparision is vague. Mohammed is the biggest adulterer and terrorist ever lived. Vedas are full of praise to Indra, Varuna, Agni etcc and not anything else. The upanishads talk of creation, its meaning (I read more than half of Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad and most of the hymns of Rigveda - the english translation though) and I didn't see a single bad word. May be in your madrasa you were taught that way - projecting vedas in a bad picture. Anyway its easy to fool muslims and they can be told anything by thier mullahs and they will easily believe it.
Dear Hindu Brothers , If some stupid like this quotes abt Hymns in vedas, go read those hymns and an expert interpretation before thinking Vedas are no different from Quran. Many Christain Pastors and idiots of this sort quote abt some Hymn in vedas which upon investigation could be completly irrelevant or it is not interpreted in a proper, be aware of cheats of this sort.
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by Kalai Selvan on Mar 07, 2007 07:03 AM Permalink
If these RSS wimps & jerks hate the minorities so much,why do they have all their relatives living off either a Middle eastern/Gulf country or America /West. These shameless hypocrites always have had one set of rules for them and a different set of rules for others. My dear Backward/schedule caste brothers beware & don't fall into the brahmin trap. Keep reminding yourselves of what Thanthai Periyar said about the brahmin & the snake !!!
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 09:36 AM Permalink
The RSS does not get funds from Middle eastern/Gulf countries or America /West. Tell me, aren't you a Muslim posting this?
RE:RE:RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by Perv Sharma on Mar 07, 2007 05:16 AM Permalink
Mike
Can't you see what's happening to looters of India - the afghan's. It's totally ruined and we hindus are spending money to rebuild that place of islamic looters. Open your eyes about the wrong religion you following or you can go and live in any islamic country. By the way - what are you - a Shia or Sunni. since your madrasa may not be teaching - for your welfare before you go to any islamic country first find out who's in majority the shia's or sunni's.
It's only in This great hindu counttry that whether you are shia or sunni U can live peacefully. You are the most fortunate muslim in this world to be born in a Hindu country otherwise every islamic country is either killing a shia or a sunni. Thank not your allah but thank any one god amongst so many hindu gods because the concept of so many gods can't be undertood by a madrasa follower.
U speak like a learned perosn. Despite so many gods you can't give a single example wherein followers of Rama fought a war to against followers of krishan or so and so and so. unlike you followers of only one god.
RE:RE:RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by sunil sirohi on Mar 06, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
hello mi ke gandh, now dont tell that all the followers of lord krishna converted to islam..
RE:RE:RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
Krishna was only telling Arjun to fight for his right. Are muslims in Pakistan fighting for their rights or just killing each other? The fact is, once one becomes a muslim, he/she becomes an aggressive fundamentalist (not even sparing his brethren). Hindus would sit and discuss things before waging war and that too only if needed
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by Ramesh P on Mar 07, 2007 04:41 AM Permalink
I just read the hymns on internet and they are about Indra and his power, I didn't see anything abt terrorism, BTW what were you looking at ?? Is it Quran ?? No terrorism in Vedas moron. May be they are taught with a completely different meaning in Madrasas where you can teach anything in the way you want to bunch of buffoons with your own interpretation.
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by sadiq hussain on Mar 06, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Dear Mike, Please SIR,please be a bit soft.I know ur feelings but dont be so rash on any indian.Dont hurt the religious sentiments.Instead tell them to think of their past,give them some time,tell them to introspect ,they will come to truth by themselves.they dont have to accept that publicly.whay we all need is patince.Please.Iam Mohammed.
RE:RE:RE:GOOD GOING FREINDSsssssssssssss
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
There is nothing wrong in worshiping Aurangzeb if you so wish, it is after all a free country. But it is going to become an increasingly dangerous pastime.
After reading your messgs it is not clear whether you are as insane and mad as Aurangeeb or you are prasing or joking.....!!!!
According to your message or mind, Akber, Dara and other tolerant muslims were enemy of India. Moreover, India needs persons like Aurangeeb and Saddam who are intolerant, brutal, cruel and perverted persons.
Congratulation Mr Mohammed...! You deserve a standing ovation from all good and tolerant people of India......! If other people go and follow your style or rather Aurangeeb style of life, India will soon be destructed and a great civilization will soon come to an end.
It is always interesting to understand that India is still going strong and staying in harmony due to crores of tolerant Indians rathre than few thousands perverted jokers like Muhammed Ahmed.
You have shared your thoughts regarding your religion. But it is not the truth, donot waste your time and others.
Yes the day will come , everyone will come to know the TRUTH about your religion and the way it has spread in the world,Inshallah !!
Please tell all these good things about your religion to your own people, let them also see light of truth.
Anyways , the topic was Auragzeb and the history says about this character.No more discussion on this ugly character a black mark on Indian History. If some one wants him to be a hero, they are correct as per their mind set.No one can alter it.
We are aware of who are followers of A'Zeb and his admirers. We will see to that no more A'zebs will born on Bharatha Varsha.
Forget about bringing peace with other religions this islam can't bring peace within itself.
Aurangzeb persecuted not hindus but also other communities from Islam. Now, most Islamic followers on this site say he was greatest. If he was greatest after his death he should have left a strong Mughal Kingdom not the weakest. His actions resulted in creating the weakest empire.
Probably in madrasa they didn't teach what happened the moment he died.
Saddam hussain was another fanatic who proved that within islam there's no peace whereby he killed so many islamic shia's and kurds. And Iraq is a perfect state to show what is islam is at the moment. Instead of fighting the Americans they are busy settling scores with each other.
RE:Aurangzeb & Saddam Hussasin
by r k on Mar 06, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
what u said is true....Being Muslim religion known for Peace...now present muslims had became destroyers of Peace...
Islam is a religion which means PEACE. The practice we see is very unfortunately steeped in ignorance because most muslim households are mired in utter poverty. Education, and good teaching of the Holy Books with a proper understanding will go a very long way in removing the misunderstandings I have sadly read in these pages. Fatwa's from the Islamic seminaries must also keep in mind the situation prevailing in the country, and ust not disturb communal harmony. Let us move forward, not backward.
I dont have any keen interest in History, nor I have much knowledge on it. Here is what I think:
1. If he was so cruel, during his reign of 50 yrs he could have wiped out all the non-muslims. 2. Today India has muslims in minority, if this history abt the cruelty is correct, then I dont think India can have muslims in minority. This proves that no force was used. Converting somebody by force does not mean anything, such a muslim is not a muslim at all. 3. For all the discussions that I have seen on such topics, I think what the main target is to somehow convince muslims to convert back to Hinduism?? Seeing all the text messages, this feeling appears.
My Suggestion : How easy is to divide the indian on the name of the religion, India is secular, seems now to be holding good only in books. The main point of our discussion should be how to keep our developement going, trust me things like this will only hinder our development and is not going to take us anywhere. As a true Indian my appeal to all the Indians, open up ur minds and spend time on something constructive. - Mohamed Soeb Dhunvavwala
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
Please include Porkistan & Beggardesh in your estimate! Secondly in undivided Punjab it was 65% Muslim and 35% Hindu/Sikh. Thirdly this is the most ridiculous argument to show that he didn't forcibly convert Hindus and Sikhs to Islam. He was very cruel and did everything in his power to destroy temples and forcibly convert Hindus, it's just that there were limits to his power. You must also remember that in the urban areas (where the administrations writ and reach was complete they were close to 100% successful, modern day muslim clusterings in the cities are testimony to that). It was in the rural areas where the Mughals etc. were not very successful in their Jihad.
RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
I forgot to add that his zeal for Jihad and his glee at doing Allahs work were recorded in his own court records. Perhaps you forgot to read this in the article.
RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by sara on Mar 06, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
are you really secular india? you are intolerant towards islam? okay, if aurangazeb was cruel for destroying hindu temples, were not hindus and peshwas equally cruel for killing muslims and torturing dalits?
RE:RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
Regarding this oft repeated claim that Islam was/is in some way good for the Dalits. Please read Dr. Ambedkar's book "The Partition of India" especially the chapter.
"Muslim Society is even more full of social evils than Hindu Society is"
I'm not making this up, go read and educate yourself. If you think what he says is wrong, please share your insights with us.
RE:RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
Secular doesn't mean Hindu bashing or Muslim appeasement or not telling the truth as I see it. Please look up the dictionary for the meaning of the word before you inflict your ignorance on the world.
Sure they were but Aurangzeb was doing his duty as a good Muslim and boasted about it in his court records. While you are at it why don't you add the Jats and Sikhs to you list of people who fought the Muslims. Who invaded India Hindus or Muslims and spread their religion through terror and tried their utmost to destroy the Hindu civilization ?
FYI:
Will Durant in The Story of Civilization: "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within."
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
Sanathana Dharma/Hinduism was not wiped out because of help from Gurus and Yogis - the Saptarishi, Raghavendra Swami, Sant Tukaram etc. The farmaans Aurangzeb issued to destroy temples can be seen by one and all in the museums Gautier mentioned
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Perv Sharma on Mar 06, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Dhunva
Has anybody from you or family been to north india and south India. Before thinking atleast see around yourself. The main difference is in the temples. Not a single ancient temple seems to exist.
Regarding conversion. 95% of Kashmir is converted. North india ended up having sikh gurus who stalled the process and west side you had marathas.
The Hindu rajput kings who were aligned with Akbar now withdrew their support.
What is your view on Gujarat riots. They were horrible isn't for a muslim like you. If horrible not even a single muslim should be alive in Gujarat. Total how many muslims before the riots and how many after.
U don't have knowledge on it. Then before commenting can't you read the edicts issued by Aurangzeb. Either say they are fake or not.
Regarding converting back to hinduism, they are now better as what ever they choose to be. We Hindus just want to live peacefully but now ruthlessness will be met with ruthlessness and that's one reason Gujarat happened.
Hindus have done enough humanity throughout last 1000 years of history and that's why you are still standing in India or maybe Pakistan.
RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
You are a terrorist, justifying Gujarat riots. Dude, killing a single person means killing entire humanity. This act was a barbaric one. You can even read that the fire was not from inside the train at Godhra, but it was a planned thing.
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Osho on Mar 06, 2007 09:22 AM Permalink
Yes... you are absolutely wrong... I pity your ignorance. Remember, the hindus were the most difficult to convert because of the strong roots of the culture. Even the british tried it for 250 odd years but how many christians do you see except some forceful portuguese pockets? Not all Muslim ruler supported forceful conversions (Akbar for example) but Aurangzeb did support forceful conversions. Fortunately for Indians, Aurangzeb was being resisted by the marathas and a revolution was around the corner...which he was not able to stop. And the Marathas capture half of his empire from Gwalior to Indore and Baroda to Punjab... Just read the Maratha empire article in Wikipedia.com and you will realize. Aurangzeb was the first ruler to apply the Sharia...unlike his ancestors who were primarily behind ruling rather than destroying. Get your facts correct. Just by using the word secular you cannot change the history.
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by sunil sirohi on Mar 06, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
mohamed soebji,do you know ur ancestors'lineage or their names, if you had?, do find out and also y ur ancestors converted? xyz.
RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 08:25 AM Permalink
I agree my ancestors must have been hindus, but what do u mean to prove here? Shall I convert back? Is this what you mean to say?
RE:RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Perv Sharma on Mar 07, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
IT's you who wants to know about forceful conversions. Your family should know better how they were converted.
IF they were forcefully converted to Islam then what will you do. What does your Quran say if someone is forcefully converted ? Do only hindus have give some thinking questions to you muslims. Don't your mullah's teach you all to think or they just prepare brainwashed people.
RE:RE:RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
I am a muslim by my own choice, not just because I am a born muslim. I really pity the kind of mentality my fellow Indians have.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma is only trying to help you realise that your fore-fathers were converted by force. In Goa, people are denouncing the Portuguese conquest of Goa (some have re-converted to Hinduism in protest) - remember the uproar when Portugal wanted to celebrate the landing of Vasco de Gama in India, but in Sind, people celebrate the conquest of their land by Arabs - because of constant Islamic brain-washing.
