While making projections of the drinking water requirement for year 2011, the tribunal did its calculations on the basis of the 1991 Census. Ironically, all that development Bangalore underwent in the last decade %u2013 the City has grown into a silicon hub, attracting migrant work force from across the country and lately abroad %u2013 were in vain after all.
The State government had made an appeal to allocate 30 tmc ft of water for Bangalore City. The final order, however, said: %u201CWe are considering the existing requirements as indicated in 1990, i.e. 14.52 tmc%u2026,%u201D
The tribunal found that the drinking water requirement of one-third of Bangalore is less than 0.87 tmc ft. The final order does not quantify one-third Bangalore%u2019s share, though. And, 1.75 tmc ft of water is actually allocated for drinking water for one-third of Bangalore, other cities (including Mysore) and towns and rural areas in the entire Cauvery basin area of the state.
What it actually means is the people living in one-third of Bangalore are only entitled to 15 litres of Cauvery water per day per person!
Ground water
How did the tribunal arrive at the figure? The calculation is like this: the total %u201Cconsumptive%u201D water requirement of one-third of Bangalore and other cities, towns and rural areas is 17.22 tmc ft. Fifty per cent of this requirement will be met from ground water.
The other fifty per cent, i.e. 8.75 tmc ft, has to be met from the river supplies. These figures are arrived at on the basis that 25 per cent of urban population is allowed 135 litres per capita per day (lpcd) while the remaining 75 per cent is allowed 100 lpcd.
In the case of one-third of Bangalore, the tribunal has, however, allowed 150 lpcd. For rural areas of the basin the allocation is 70 lpcd. The total requirement in the three urban categories works out to 8.70 tmc ft and the rural category 8.52. The combined requirement is 17.22 tmc ft, of which 50 per cent (8.75) is to be met from ground water sources.
RE:Few facts about Karnataka
by Kannan on Feb 09, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
utter nonsense... 1) the development of Blr is due to the peoples of India. it's not due to any particular race or linguistic people.otherwise it would have still remained a laid back city like all other places in Karnataka. 2)and let's not forget Tamilnadu, karnataka.etc., came into being after 1947..so no body can claim anything..it shows your poor education. if white man was still ruling and we didnt have States then i dont forsee any problem. all of us would have gladly accepted it.do we have prob accepting ourselves than accepting whiteman 3)and regarding the article in deccan herald it's plain stupid making people panic
Let's face it.. future is going to be fight over resources..land ,water, food, etc., so we should plan and make better use of it instead using ur learning for abuse. and beieve me no one likes violence.. let's not make great south into a Kashmir..south is more civilised.. but after seeing the posts i am ashamed in being a south indian. be civilized guys...
RE:RE:Few facts about Karnataka
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
1) the dev* - Do'nt try 2 mislead by ur stupid logic Mr.K. Bangalore was the only place which received attn by the govt being political capital of KA. There r lot of other places which have grt potential, but not urbanised by govt due to lack of intrest.Do'nt potray that as incapablity.This world is not so abundant with charity that all these so called devolopers set on mission"lets devolop B'lore". Stop living in fantasy world.This is the problem with u people. Wherever u go u start claiming.
RE:Few facts about Karnataka
by WhoTheHeck on Feb 09, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
Yogesh,
Your view is completely true.And your points on kannadiga's broad-minded nature are very logical and hit the mark, bang on target. If looked at it from any angle, you see that,kannadigas are a very non-voilent,sensible, level-headed group. I dont understand why Tamilians are so emotional, foolish and immatured people. If you see the 'so called' celebrities in TN, most of them are non-tamilians...... 1) Jayalalitha - kannadiga 2) MGR - Malayali 3) Rajanikant - Marathi(from Bangalore)
If you see the above statistics,most of the above are respected an hailed just because they were clever enough to tap the emotional foolishness of tamilians,by speaking their native language and behave like a tamilian. In short, Tamilians only give respect to anyone,who speaks tamil,no matter who,what or where they are from. Emotional idiots. kannadigas are not like that...they dont force you to speak kannada.They will respect you for what you are,not for what language you speak are which state you are from.Which is why, even today, so many people prefer to come down to Bangalore and settled down. But kannadigas' respect(s), if mistreated, will be dealt with severely.But your guys(tamilians) have the cheek to come down to karnataka, reap its benefit and still kick it in its own face. We (kannadigas) have had enough of it. This time, there is no looking back. So either buckle up or get lost.
RE:RE:Few facts about Karnataka
by Joy Felix on Feb 09, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Hi, Tamils are emotional idiots. Even It were true, Now I think there is a big competition from Kannadas to get the title. Thanks.
RE:RE:RE:Few facts about Karnataka
by Joy Felix on Feb 09, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
Hi, You can say even Tamilians are not Tamils. They are just Indians and their mother tongue in Tamil. Thanks.
If violence brings results perhaps we could consider it. Like 1992, again we are doomed to fail in our efforts through violence. If the same time was utilized for clever politicking like our TN leader did, we will have more satisfactory results
RE:lets not fight
by JAYAKUMAR N on Feb 09, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
karnataka is a peace loving state and every one knows it. But if any one try's to hurt our sentiments , we are forced to show our strength. Can India give kashmir to pakistan, should we not fight. It's the same situation, we fighting for our own land and water and we don't need any suggestions.
look at your problems in uttarpradesh i) Babri masjid demolision. ii) Nithari killings (rape & murder of small childrens) iii) no law and order in the state. iv) doesnot give power to other states during summer v) highest number of illiterates. and many more
RE:RE:lets not fight
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
you are not fighting over your land. you are fighting over India's water. Even when NI fights with Pak over Kashmir, we still provide them with water.
1.Limited water and too many users in southern India. 2.Lots and lots of water below the himalayas gets flooded and wasted towards the ocean. 3.Tamil nadu lacks water resources in its territory and depends on other states. 4.If we go by the river origin logic Cauvery originally belongs to the people of coorg(Kodagu).I did see some news articles that Kodagu wants a seperate statehood. If this state hood is achieved then Karnataka faces a similar situation as faced by TN. 5. States at a higher altitude are always at advantage and can bully the lower altitude regions.To control this scenario tribunal was setup.
If Karnataka does not accept the tribunal award then it is a ever green problem and a never ending story.There cannot be solution for this.The current central government is dominated by ministers from Tamil Nadu.
RE:It is very dificult to find solutions to water disputes.
by on Feb 09, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
Nonsense!! Please understand that Cauvery here also includes Kabini,Hemavathy,Arkavathy,etc..a total of 10 rivers.Also the fact that entire south Karnataka depends on it.Please go thru facts and also the assessors copy plus the final award(if you have a copy) and deduce for yourself.Its easy to say K'taka is opposing but the fact remains that its a great injustice.I wonder how such verdicts can uphold the federal unity of this country.While I agree in any dispute not all involved parties would be completely satisfied,this verdict has dealt a death blow to K'nataka.Please note that the Cental govt lost no time in notifying the interim order into a gazette in 1991 and is threatening to do so now but recall a similar verdict give in 1980s in the case of dispute b/w Punjab & Haryana on Ravi - Beas sharing which even to this day has not been notified.Now is'nt that defiance as well? The current verdict as so many glaring blunders which favour TN which K'nataka cannot accept at any cost.
RE:Please read this
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
There is nothing in that that explains the origin of Kannada.But about its beauty,s. Do'nt try to make circastic remarks indicating that Kannada is derived from Tamil. By this u can only fool urself. What is given in that art. is only similarity which ofcourse exists being neighbours. Read properly. U seem 2 playing into views of Tamils who fantasize of being the oooldest language on earth.But sorry 2 say, Kannada is much more devoloped in all sence.What if central govt doesnt want 2 give Kannada status of classical language to please Tamils.
RE:RE:Please read this
by kumar on Feb 09, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
i apologise. i am not from AP. i am from North India but living in Hyderabad now. What is wrong with if I give Kannada's history. it has a proud history that is derived from Tamil. so we are all related.
RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
Kumar, while I agree Kannad has a great history, but this doesnt mean we should all learn Kannad. Why should anyone learn Kannad because they live in Bangalore. First of all, Bangalore is multi-cultural and one can survive in Hindi. If one can survive of Hindi then why learn any local language. Isnt that the idea behind 'national language'. There was a comment earlier saying that North Indians don't learn Kannad when in Bangalore, but if you know Hindi and I know Hindi, then there is no use for me to learn Kannad. I would never disrepect your language but there is no reason for me to learn it either. Why is Hindi taught as the third language of Karantak if you didnt need to know Hindi.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by Yogesh on Feb 09, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
hey why should hindi be national language which is spoken by just 39 % of Indian population.. why shouldn't English be the communication language between different states and also in Indian government.. do u know that Karnataka accepted to have Hindi as third language whereas tamil nadu hates hindi and they don't allow any hindi related stuff to be pushed into their state
RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by Mahesh S on Feb 09, 2007 07:35 AM Permalink
Mr UP, hindi is taught in kar bcos its our national language and not to facilitate guys like you who come here in search of jobs and better living. hindi is taught in kar schools and our culture teaches to speak kannada in karnataka. why r u staying in karnataka when kannada is not taught in ur state ?? its a shame that educated people from ur state migrate out instead of serving it. The result of this very evident today.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 09, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
Mahesh and Yogesh, your posts indicate a clear indifference and repulsiveness to people from Northern India. You have your grievances due to demographic changes and imposition of segments of a culture. Let's remember that people in Northern India have been through tumultuous times against invasions of savage kind in the past from a particular religious group. They took the brunt of it and saved a large part of your ancient culture that you now call Kannad or Tamil or whatever it is. While doing this their ways have gone through drastic changes from rest of India due to the constant subjugations that followed the invasion. Respect them for it, instead of trying to digress them by queries of why they not stay in their states or whatever, and you must understand their any aggressive mindset or turmoil in their regions(UP and Bihar contributed richly to Indian culture more than any other region and look at their deprivation now) from Historic perspective, which in effect has given to regional chauvinism among those in southern India as a defensive mechanism. They will find a reason and you will find one to co-exist by sharing values which will help eachother in regaining the "lost" confidence. I hope you understand what i am trying to tell. Instead of being repulsive, forge bonds. They were not very different from you once. I am from south India too. Learn Hindi, it isn't a big deal. It will anyway revised slowly to include elements of other Indian languages to enrich itself.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 09, 2007 08:22 PM Permalink
Well, i don't live in Karnataka(now silly, will you assume i am from Tamil Nadu for posting in this forum that has to do with kar-TN and nothing about rest of India, so others should fukoff?). You guys are giving Karnataka a bad name with all these regional garbage. Don't get swayed by the sub-national spirit too much like the Dravidian movement of 1930's. It might disintegrate India. Others wouldn't tolerate such attitudes. You feel insecure about others barging into Karnataka, then you should do the same in other states. It will help in integrating India. Will reduce the regional chauvinism.
RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by Yogesh on Feb 09, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
But I have seen ur hatredness towards karnataka from almost 3-4 days... posting nothing but narrow minded ideas against karnataka... answer a simple question.. is it fair to have 12 central ministers from a single state that too many of them from regional party... and the only state in India against Hindi and anti north india....
RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by on Feb 09, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
Ridiculous.Kannada is as old as Tamil and share the same origins called the Proto-Dravidian language.Please refer to sites in Internet like Wikipedia,etc and you'll find that originally it was called Proto-Tamil-Kannada also called Proto-Dravidian and eventually it these two languages branced out as independent languages.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by ag on Feb 09, 2007 08:52 AM Permalink
yeah right yogesh! u took a survey in TN and found they are anti-hindi! this is the biggest problem of our country. empty vessels make lot of noises.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Please read this
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
These Tamils are acting big brother to Karnataka. They are just beliving their fantasies and trying to prove it with all manipulations. Kannada is independent in nature,origin. It has its own beautiful script neither derived from poor Dravidian script or Deavanagari. No other language has numbers in their script other than kannada. They either depend on Devanagari or Hindu Arabic. May be there r some similarities in vocabulary due to proximity. But the exchange is mutual.There r kannada influences also in Tamil. So Tamils, stop these created theories and do'nt make such propoganda and mislead the rest. Stop acting this big brother.
Politicians always play with the sentiments. They need some issue to stoke the fire not solution. The real problem of population explosion, illiteracy, unemployment, sanitation are never addressed. Because that would not create mass hysteria. If you can not respect a court order that came after 16 years of waiting you are not rational.
RE:Emotional Out burst
by Yogesh on Feb 09, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
It cannot be called rational if the verdict is one sided. Mr. Karunanidhi himself made a public statement as soon as the verdict came out that itz because of his hard work and said that he had met 11 Chief Ministers and talked to them abt Cauvery.. is it not lobbying ?? is it fair to have 12 central ministers from just one state ??
RE:RE:Emotional Out burst
by commanman on Feb 09, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Having 12 ministers in Central shows our capability, unity and efficiency of TN people.
You you have such capability join the race and win more ministries in central govt.
RE:RE:RE:Emotional Out burst
by deepak jg on Feb 09, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
Helloo Mr. Here we are not playing the game to win the ministers, If you are really capable come and fight with us in supreme court without any recommandation of chiefministers. you don't have taht gutt........................s
RE:RE:RE:Emotional Out burst
by commanman on Feb 09, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
First try to be united and select one CM for 5 years, then think about central ministers....
Today, when I see the way even educated people show the hatred in their hearts, I am able to imagine how lesser educated people and more ignorant will treat rioting and murder as an expression of their feelings..
God save our 'great' country, let us all go to hell.
RE:God save our country
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 05:20 AM Permalink
its a pity that people resort to rioting and murder when we have a supreme court. we shouldn't ban certain languages on tv, kill people, etc. we should use the avenues avaiable to us.
RE:RE:God save our country
by M.S.Ganesh Prasad on Feb 09, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
dear uttar pradesh do you know, in an IIT campus in north India, kannada channel was not aired from past many years. Where as irrespective of language, no. of people, KARNATAKA cities treat all languages as equal in providing TV channles. Please mind this by uap
RE:RE:God save our country
by on Feb 09, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
Oh! now you start giving suggestions to solve problems. You dont know the difference between Karnataka/Karnatak and Kannada/Kannad, and you started preaching. Very Nice!!! Borat style
RE:RE:RE:RE:God save our country
by ajith krishnan on Feb 09, 2007 06:45 AM Permalink
Hi Guys...relax plz dont fight...why u fight in the name of your own states...Just remeber we r INDIANS first
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:God save our country
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
but can we kill a foreigner? Ur thinking ends there.B broad minded.Dont be childish.If u dont cant learn to b broad minded being in KA I pity u.
RE:Hindi
by samudra blr on Feb 09, 2007 06:46 AM Permalink
TELL ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY HINDI WAS MADE A NATIONAL LANGUAGE.HINDI WAS FORCED ON SOUTH INDIANS BY MR NEHRU. ALL LANGUAGES DESERVE EQUAL RESPECT.INSTEAD ENGLISH CAN BE USED FOR INTERSTATE COMMUNICATION.
RE:RE:Hindi
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 06:49 AM Permalink
Hindi is not the national language. its the language that is spoken by most people in India, thats why i put national in quotes.
Why do you learn hindi in school in karnataka if you dont want to speak it.
Of course, there should be equal respect. if we both know english, i am ok with speaking to you in english. Since i know hindi (my mother tongue) and most people in bangalore know hindi, we can also speak hindi. i am not forcing anyone to speak hindi but they seem to enjoy it. Since we all know hindi in bangalore, i dont understand why i should learn kannada.
RE:RE:Hindi
by PavithraM on Feb 09, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
I best remember an annecdote betw mulayam singh yadav and E K nayanar. The former wrote and letter in Hindi and got the reply in Malayam. We probably need to follow that
