Hi Readers, Unfortunately we have one big river penetrating so many southern states in India. All the farmers need water for their crops. I consider myself novice to make any comments on this issue. But couldn't we have shared water on the basis of harvesting seasons. Even though the same crop will be grown at the same season by both the states but on the basis of volume of crop grown, can't we regulate the water? I mean, there must not be a fixed quota to use the river water. But one must be very careful to make any racist comments on region wise. Otherwise tomorrow, Non-Indian may point their finger on us.
RE:One should be careful before making any comments against any Indian state
by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
its a verdict for political mileage,
when karnataka does not have water , sufficient water, how can i share, do you know even bangalore gets its drinking water from the same river cauvery...
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by Pradipta Chakraborty on Feb 06, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
Hi Raji, It is very true that we are suffering drinking water shortage. If India is planning for Gas Line from Iran, then is it not feasible to get the water from Ganga or Bramhaputra?( every year Lot of people loss lives due to Flood from Bramhaputra during rainy season). Regards Pradipta
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by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
I am sure you have no idea of what is happening here, ganga is near for tamilnadu....lol
we can manage with cauvery water, dont ask us to give it so some one else and they borrow from ganga....lol its funny
RE:One should be careful before making any comments against any Indian state
by kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
actually, the way it was decided was by a non-partisan committee looking at all economic and scientific principles.
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by Rakesh R on Feb 06, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
its just politics. just becuse u guys have 40 MPs in power n nothing else... TN needs water to grow 3 crops a year n here we dot even have water to drink!! scientific and economics facts were not considered while giving out the verdict.
RE:Karnataka
by bibin.Philip on Feb 06, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Your Not a Patriot you are a Parrot, Why u wann to be with Pakistan against a fellow Indian. I dont think anybody who has an Indian Blood in Veins will comw with you!!!! You are a shame for all Kannadigas!!!!! Please dont degrade us.... After all we fells that we all are Indians
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
neglect such messages. He might be anyone. A Pakistani or bangladeshi or any other enemy of india acting as an indian with "patriot" name or he is just a self-hating Indian. Neglect them.
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by kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
i think u r brilliant. cause u will unite india for once and for all. no kannadiga will ever kill a fellow indian for pakistan's benefit
RE:Karnataka
by ritnanya on Feb 06, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Mr.Patriot,
Where are you from ? Are you posting from Pakistan buddy. Even with kashmir issue, only peace talks can help. Fighting will not help. Please change your name atleast next time.
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by Prasan on Feb 06, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
He is Pakistani/srilankan. He had posted anti hindu messages on behalf of srilanka once. he is a sick guy
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by Prasan on Feb 06, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
Whatever we do , quarrel and love , it is our family matter. Pakistan is our enemy. And if anyone attacks India. All ppl including kannadigas and tamilians will fight the enemy
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by daniel on Feb 06, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
love you prasan... when i was reading your msg...my eyes are wattered... i love indians (kanadigas and tamils)
If we cannot share something with ourselves what are we going to do with our neighbours.. whey don't the people understand that its only our brothers and sisters in the neighbouring state for whom we are helping and to hell with this politicians who are good for nothing stupids, dull heads who just want to make a news of nothing... why the hell do they want to create a rift between people by calling them tamilans, kannidigas and why don't they see people as indians.. its more than enough that we have seen people like this... just put and end to all this problem and let everyone share what we have like one big family...
I think the peoples from both the states are going over board against each other (though both are good peace loving citizens & infinitely supporting towards each other) on the basis of media reports & politicians/extremists comments. They must understand the basic facts on which this verdict is out as an intellectual-looking-way rather than being emotional. 1) If all of us have agreed & appreciated the efforts and judgements of our jucidiary in Priyadarshini Matoo, Jessica Lal & "Void of laws in 9th Schedule", we must alteast re-look at the facts as this particular verdict has taken 17 years of working between well knowledged historians, scholars, lawyers, bureaucrats, level-minded representatives of both the states. 2) They have taken consideration of the facts & documents submitted before the tribunal on the complete cauvery basin in "as-is-where-is" basis of the last few decades till now & have to come to a conclusion 3) The major understanding has been done on the basis of "Agricultural lands, its crop pattern, its water requirements w.r.t FARMERS" and "Common peoples water requirement against available water resources". 4) The complete data on these facts have been provided by both the states, which have been verified, discussed, deliberated & mutually concluded among all the above mentioned knowledged peoples representing their states 5) Infact its taken 17years for the whole lot of well knowledged people after more than 550 sittings at various levels to discuss the matter as and when of getting new details which might be important before arriving at final conclusion. 6) So the Judiciary which is independent of "Parliament & Executive" has arrived at a conclusion based on the facts & details provided by the powers manning parliament. 7) Now the same powers (read politicians & their working class)responsible for providing details & upholding their point-of-view with nothing but mere-facts, have come out on the road fuelling intra-state-extremists & playing on sentiments of the common-citizens like you and me. 8) What do we do ? Probably I just vent out my opinion here in this forum & you might agree or hold your sentimental views based on your understandings / likings. That is absolutely right & ok. 9) But whats next? 10) After few days of fuelling attempts being done by both the state politicans to take advantage of their positions (benificiary state may trumpet self-glory & affected state may go defensive = both actions fuelling extremist activites against each other state peoples), it will stop after few days or weeks leaving the common people being the affected & few losses on account of human lives, economy, etc. Neverthless such acts now-a-days very common in this century as every country is progressing on individualism. 11) But one must understand that NUMBERS i.e. Karnataka would be releasing 192tmc water to TN in a year.Out of 419tmc allotted to TN from the cauvery basin, only 192tmc will go out of Karnataka basin, since the remaining are present in TN itself. Already Karnataka was ordered by the tribunal in 1990 to release 205tmc which resulted in Big Riots between both states with few losses in all areas. Since then Karnataka has been following this reluctantly & both side farmers & citizens have come to reconcile this fact slowly, but surely. 12) Hence the release of water is nothing new (though its a seperate story that addl 12tmc would go out of Karnataka due to Mettur/biddgnta logisticial positions). But the riots & other will happen irrepsective the position being almost same. 13) As the whole calculation is happening on the basis of "Accumulated water in Cauvery basin being 740tmc on NATURAL RAIN" and not any scientific measures. 14) Due to any monsoon changes (which is very likely due to geo-environmental changes) if the acculmulated water being insufficient of the estimated 740tmc, every state will feel the shortage & the resultant losses will felt by both farmers & the common citizens. 15) In such monsoon-affected sceneario's Karnataka can't be pushed to release the allotted numbers due to short-falls at its own region. 16) Hence this issue is going to be an ever-permenant matter for both the side state politiciants to use as a tool for election & selfish-party gains, like 'Hindutva-with-BJP' & 'Minority-appeasement-with-Congress'. 17) What NOW? 18) As an affected state Karnataka (if it feels so - as none of the important & knowledged political or mass leader has thrown any challengeable facts for the STATE to act intelligently for an appeal) can appeal with its own MERIT points for a redressal, which shall easily take another few years for the court to understand & give judgement. Till this final judgement they need not consider the 192tmc, but have to adhere to the earlier 1990verdict of 205tmc. 19) Even if there is an appeal or no appeal, still Karnataka may / need / necessarily not release 192tmc on the grounds of Rain-shortfall, Agricultural-pattern-change-in-the-state leading to more water requirement, Internal-state-civil-unrest-among-farmers, OR for purely-political-nous. 20) In such a scenario too, the aggreived state (who else TN) can only approach Centre or Court to resolve the disputs & ask them to ensure Karnataka releases its quota of water. This means again a political-twist-between the states with each having its own weights & counter-weights at Centre, hence a EVER-LONG-POLITICAL-AGENDA at SOUTH for politicians being "CAUVERY WATERS". 21) Because Judiciary can only be an upholder of unbiased, bipartisan rights for each citizents/state, but can't direct the Parliament to behave or dictate its processess. 22) Oh God. Whatever you would have thought after creating us, but we ourselves are creating much-better-things for our FUTURE.
Hi, The people, who are affecting from this dispute, are the farmers. But here many of them are posting without knowing what is farming? What is the use of making arguments here? Instead you could go and argue in the Cauvery Water Dispute Tribunal. We should not take the law and order in our hand then there is no difference between terrorists and us. Let the court and the affected people discuss about this.
RE:Be united
by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
you have said it right, but when you post saffron flags on all temples and streets, dont you think you are taking law into your hands, dont you think you are invading the religious places like the persians who attached temples, cauvery belongs to karnataka, if we have sufficient water we will give the balance to tamil nadu...dont force us to give my wife to some one else.
The issue is with water sharing for agriculture and why fueling high in name of outsiders. Today, in the rapidly urbanizing world every place is for everyone. May it Bombay, Bangalore or Chennai. And it is good getting back to our such actual position.
Here I want to clear something! When someone point a tamil speaking or other as a outsider, wht do they think of their origin. When this Indian kind spread over from the Indus to the woods of India there was one community down the south. It was something like 1st-gen tamil speaking community. The language has history of more than 5000 thousand years. Later bze of various reason by the law of evolution, new dialects started arising in different regions. So to say it simple, just just few hundred years then the today KTA region was speaking a dialect of that day tamil. The kannda language even didnt had a proper script till some 800 years before even that time tulu made proper shape for itself. Guy better look down their roots and bark. Even in today KTA can see most tamil communities been directly absorbed to it. Check and know like tigalga, vokkaliga, hebbar iyangar, vahini kula kshthariya etc are actual tamil speaking communites absorbed in and the present KTA is a split of old tamil. The term gowda is driven from gounda or gounder. Even then to make the kannada language nourish, the scholars there has to borrow some stuffs from Sanskrit and also got the different identity.
Its all game of comical celebrities and certain NGO of KTA who consistently brain washed and fueled this for no reason. The folks whom speak here speak whatever that is said to their subconscious mind by this evil kinds.
If we have 4 roties for two of us we can have 2 each (approx example). After all we are human kind. The problem is this human been given more than common sense has made him to think more vulgar instead of thinking in natural way.
RE:Look down your roots and bark
by madhurya on Feb 06, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
lion don't roar. before speaking of kannadigas and kannada language mind ur language and let u not comment on common sense of kannadigas (who think vulgar as per ur thoughts). u boasts of human nature and sharing. tell me how many tamilians in tamilnadu know kannada, ask kannadigas in karnataka they know multilanuages including tamil and ie not because of tamil its because kannadigas have always accepted all languages,all people very gracefully and have shown everybody what is being "SECULAR" in true mean. Kannadigas need not learn from any lion/fox about human nature and sharing.
better u guys construct a house in ur hard earned money and let some one snatches it for some poor neighbour lives in hut (irrespective whether kannidiga,tamilian) to donate it to them and allow u to live in small kennel, --- just imagine the situation and then tell kannadigas to stop barking.
RE:Look down your roots and bark
by Gowda on Feb 06, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
If you want to check roots, better check the roots of cauvery.... its in Karnataka... now tell me, do u want to check the roots...
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by Sunil Chandrashekharan on Feb 06, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
roots of Kauvery are in Kerala. It orginates from Kerala...
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by Prasath on Feb 06, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
even karnataka was once tamilnadus property.. its only shows our genorocity.. that we gave u land to live and water to drink.. now u attack us on our back... its a recorded history no one can deny that..
RE:Look down your roots and bark
by amruthnath gershem sreedhar on Feb 06, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Its all nonsense another tamil imposing act its not that kannada is a dilect of Tamil, its a different branch of the same language and Tamil is not the root..but another branch. This has nothing to do with the present day problem of water sharing, U guys are asking karnataka to starve so that TN can live, sharing is not asking others to die, but that is Tamil culture..I guess looking at the Tamilians arugument
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by The Lion on Feb 06, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
The oldtime 1st generation only language spoken in most of the southern region and even that was the fine tamil. Rest is the history.
It is nothing to do with water problem but what the water is to do with outsiders or non-x.
There are lot of ways to overcome the issue and the first is to understanding the isuue acutally and better to have a study on international water sharing norms.
RE:Look down your roots and bark
by bharath mr on Feb 06, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
but u folks are asking for 3 and a half roti for urself buddy and thatz not fair enuff so stop lecturing and understand the issue
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by The Lion on Feb 06, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
If you think the propotion is improper then you can file it to SC and to any related authorities and get the fine share. No one wants to see his fellow men starving or cheated. Instead why fueling the inappropriate in name of outsiders etcccccccccccccccc???
Its issue which should be dealed by the governments and supported by independent authorities.
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by jameer iqbal on Feb 06, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
what ever you speak you cannot stop... you have give... no choice ... he he he he...
RE:RE:RE:Look down your roots and bark
by The Lion on Feb 06, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Thats known thing! The unstoppable. The minds have been corrupted by viruses fed by anti-elements. But every civilization has to overcome such situations and its better to identity such elements in early stage and destory for the goodwill of our society.
These all issues are hopeless, We are fighting for Water? unbeliveable. In India some rivers flow into Pakistan we are ready share water with our rivals whats the problem with Tamils, Being Karnataki i dont think its a big deal for us. Karnatak's people are soft, helpful etc i read in news papers lets proove it, i think its a right time.
RE:We are Indian Thats All. No Tamil No Karnataki.
by pretham sn on Feb 06, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
Yes we are soft that is why now all the indians attck ours. So we should protect our land and culture. Now we want to become Terriosts like ULFA (Assam) They were killed hindhi speaking people in themselv state. So we want to do like that in coming days
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by ritnanya on Feb 06, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
Pretham...better hide in a bunker for your comments.
RE:RE:RE:We are Indian Thats All. No Tamil No Karnataki.
by ritnanya on Feb 06, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
Let's wait and watch...whose face will be black...already right?
Just two points : 1) As educated people, we need to be responsible in our thoughts , words and actions. Abusing somebody or some class or some state etc shows us in very poor light.
2) As far as the tribunal order is concerned, we need to be aware that this has come from a team of well learned people who have pored through volumes of data and heard several specialists in irrigation from all the states concerned, who have deliberated on the issue for years and have passed a verdict. A clearer reading of the verdict will show that in essential the status quo has been maintained to a large extent and Karnataka would need to relase 192 TMC water ( as against the interim order of 205 TMC ). As far as the allocation of share of water is concerned, the right of a lower ripirian state to a larger share of water is not unique - but a universal phenomenon.To that extent, the decision is a balanced decision. Lets stop politicising this.
As a country, we are progressing. Let us not damage the enormous progress by being reckless and regressive.
