.... that it is the duty every sikh to defend hindu dharma.
this is the main reason why sikhs have a very high (and welcome) presence in the indian army. however, sikhs - ever a covetous of populism and power - are letting their religion drift toward monotheism - with its natural sad results.
RE:sikh gurus said........
by Johny Dayal on Jan 01, 2008 06:53 AM Permalink
Holding fierce pride in their identity, Sikhs have for decades been seen as off-limits by the missionary machine but not anymore. In a alarming trend, evangelism has begun to tread on the Sikh faith as well. Every aspect of Punjabi society is being overwhelmed with this new wave of assertive anti-national Christianity. Besides programs in Hindi, Punjabi TV channels have been deluged by Christian programs even though the Christian population of Punjab is less than 1%. Taking aim at Sikh youth, animated films and childrens books on Christianity are freely distributed by missionaries. Because of the strong adherence to tradition by Sikhs, missionaries have attempted to repackage Christianity. Jesus is called Satguru, church is referred to as Satsang and choir singing is called Kirtan. Choir boys in Punjabi churches wear turbans to attempt to minimize the variation between Sikhism and Christianity. However, despite these attempts to disguise Christianity as a version of Sikhism, missionaries still cannot hide their intent: to destroy the Sikh faith & Indian culture. The lead is taken by Malayali Christians with money from US, UK, Italy & France & before long priests will start their holy pastime of molesting Sikh kids& spreading AIDs.
RE:sikh gurus said........
by H Singh on Jan 01, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
Johny Dayal perhaps you are in the forefront of all this .Your name suggests that. But you will not succeed.
Just like so called "premis" of Sirsa dera have started to return to Sikhism similarly your shop will also not run here .
We know what you all do in Punjab.You try to bring poor innocent Sikhs into Christianity by giving free this free that.
RE:sikh gurus said........
by Raj on Jan 01, 2008 06:46 AM Permalink
Monotheism is flawed in its very essence when taught to unconditioned mind. Moreover monotheism is not for all. A person needs to reach a certain state of mind to even understand it. Origins of fanatics are in monotheism.
Sikhism created to protect hindus from muslim astrocities. Every /Hindu family in punjab gave a child to sikhism. Do you know what name of Golden Temple "Hari Mandir"... Sikhs are taking help of Pakis for Khalishtan? Oxymoron... indeed
Justify the use of GOLDEN temple for storing weapons - for the criminals hiding in there ? Can the Sikhs justify the killing of Hindus from Buses - can they justify the Hindus killed in villages so that they migrate out of Punjab - this happened prior to 1984 wherein large Hindus migrated to Delhi - ?
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by on Jan 01, 2008 06:36 AM Permalink
Mr Sharma , I can see the hatred in you ( as a Brahmin) against Sikhism. there is no dobut that Sikhism totally demolished the Brahminwaad from India ( if u see all major states in North as well as South India are plotically lead by Non- brahmins) and this has not been digested by Brahmins till today . The Punjab problem was also a reflection of a Brahmin lady ( Mrs Gandhi) not accpeting the rise of Akalis ( mainly farmer jat Sikhs) to political power.
The Brahmins never accepted Sikhi , starting from Guru Nanak's days ...the local Brahmins saw the loss of political , economical and social power drifting away from them and Brahimins have made multiple attempts to break the Sikhi , by siding with Moguls , by siding with Britshers , by forming Arya Samaj, and by many many cheap ways. Every time Sikhi and it's pricipals have totally demolished the Brahmin mischieves.
Further before debating about Sikhs and Hindu and their commanlity . one has to clearly define what does he means by "Hindu" . By many major Hindus , word Hindu represents geographic identity - people living near Sindhu river were refrred as Hindu's by Greeks. By this definition Sikhs are closest to Sindhu river are thus most Hindus from other religions in india. Further there is no dobut Sikhi has it's genesis in reforming Hindu religion from castism and saving hindus from Islamic jehadis ( Guru's never said that all Muslims are bad) . ...more to continue
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Seenu Subbu on Jan 01, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
Abe cho..t.iya, what are you yakking? Brahmins sided with the Moghuls? Congratulations on your new historical research. It's still not 12PM, we will wait for that to announce to the world.
RE:RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Hardeep on Jan 01, 2008 12:51 PM Permalink
Brahmin sided with Moguls ....please read History how Brahmin Gangu sided with Jhangir to get Guru Arjun Dev excecuted. Unfortunatly in india we are only taught Mogual histtory .....Sikh , Maratha , South Indian Kings, Bengali Kings .....none of those history is taught. Thanks to Nehru ( a Brahmin). Further the language so called Hindi ...is also Urdu ( the dialect) written in Devnagri Script . Think when moguls , when they can replace Hindu temples ( Ram Janam Bhumi) ....wont they have changed hindu language . As per India Gazaatte 1860( of Rawalpindi) ...Urdu was declared offficial language . So all we speak asuming Hindi ( in dialect) is basically Urdu .....only when written in Devnagri script , it becomes Hindi. So we all are 1/2 Islamized. .... more later
RE:RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Kah S on Jan 01, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
Subbu ..... Did you forget our Sikh forefathers have been saving your grand grand mothers from those bucther moghuls who use to sell them in the Gazani market for a Takka.That was the great job our forefather use to do at 12 PM.... saving the honour of your grand mothers. History has it that thrice sikh militants(as per moghuls) of those time saved 18 thousand , then 20 thousand and then again 18 thousand hindustani women from invaders like Abdali, Nadir shah and others. Thanks sikhs for 12 PM , else even you would have been borned in Afghanistan or Iran.
Jinki Bachai muhghalo se mata , bahan aur Janani Wahi aaj mazak udaye Sikho ka...besharam Hindustani
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by on Jan 01, 2008 06:50 AM Permalink
Mr Sharma , I can see the hatred in you ( as a Brahmin) against Sikhism. there is no dobut that Sikhism totally demolished the Brahminwaad from India ( if u see all major states in North as well as South India are plotically lead by Non- brahmins) and this has not been digested by Brahmins till today . The Punjab problem was also a reflection of a Brahmin lady ( Mrs Gandhi) not accpeting the rise of Akalis ( mainly farmer jat Sikhs) to political power.
The Brahmins never accepted Sikhi , starting from Guru Nanak's days ...the local Brahmins saw the loss of political , economical and social power drifting away from them and Brahimins have made multiple attempts to break the Sikhi , by siding with Moguls , by siding with Britshers , by forming Arya Samaj, and by many many cheap ways. Every time Sikhi and it's pricipals have totally demolished the Brahmin mischieves.
Further before debating about Sikhs and Hindu and their commanlity . one has to clearly define what does he means by "Hindu" . By many major Hindus , word Hindu represents geographic identity - people living near Sindhu river were refrred as Hindu's by Greeks. By this definition Sikhs are closest to Sindhu river are thus most Hindus from other religions in india. Further there is no dobut Sikhi has it's genesis in reforming Hindu religion from castism and saving hindus from Islamic jehadis ( Guru's never said that all Muslims are bad) .
Sikhi Spirit calls for to defend anyone who is downtorodden and weak
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Perv Sharma on Jan 01, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
Can the Sikhs justify the issuance of FATWAS similar to ISLAMISTS like - the women should cover their head and much or they will be killed ?
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Goldy on Jan 01, 2008 05:18 AM Permalink
Only less than 1% sikhs are in favour of Khalistan. That was one reason the militancy in Punjab came to an end because Khliastan Movement never had support from majority of sikh. Even today. Sikhs dont issue Fatwas. It was unfortunate at the time of militancy and it was issued by those terrorist outfits which were supported by Pakistan.
RE:Can a SIKH ?
by Perv Sharma on Jan 01, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
Take a CASE - some Hindus come out of Temples fire randomly at people and then run back to the temple - what will the sikhs do in such a CASE in their KHALISTAN ?
That's what sikhs have always been saying...."If a sikh takes upto arms to defend his faith he is labelled as Sikh terrorist else sikhs are called as hindus.Why don't they call them as Hindu terrorist if sikhs and hindus are same". When we revolt we are Sikhs when we remain silent we are Hindus
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by deepak on Dec 31, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
dont worry about what others say?? what do you wanna be? Hindu is a very wide and expansive term. Its like a brand name for all streams of Hinduism...Hindus would want to consider Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, Brahmo, Arya all under the tent of Hinduism- its a harmless and unifying concept. Furthermore, Hinduism doesnt have a fatwa issuing Vatican body, so Sikhs & others are pretty independent. BTW isnt it odd that Sikhs should take help of Pakistanis wherefrom they were kicked out lock stock and barrel?? if there is a Khalistan, it should be in West Punjab with Lahore as its capital.
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Hey ISI agent you got better job in pakistan only. Why is it burning without your help? What is musharraf's next plan? Nawaz sharif will be killed after election or before? What will happen if Hillary win the USA president election. Who will pay your salary if pakistan divided into 3 parts ?????????
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by Goldy on Jan 01, 2008 05:31 AM Permalink
That means you dont count Sikhs as Indians. Ironically Hindus in this country are the biggest traitor. Nobody can match the sacrifices made by people like Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh. But still Sikhs are considered as traitors. Sikhs dont need a certificate from anyone.
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
You are liar for sure. You are expert in instigating one community to other and such expertise can be imported from one country only that is pakistan. You have opened your mouth so wide that internal secrets have came out. Kindly look at your country pakistan it is burning , you do not need IB ,Modi or CIA to disintegrate. It will be done by your brothers only, so put your best effort to keep it united instead of working as a match box
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by on Jan 01, 2008 12:19 AM Permalink
Why do you think Im an ISI agent when I say Sikhs are not Hindus and will never be? Our struggle from 1978 to the present day is for this only.
This is very funny.
As regards events in Pakistan Im not interested in them.
Benazir along with Rajiv Gandhi were responsible for killing many Sikhs.
As I said you reap what you sow .
But still as a human being Im not happy at Benazir's assasination.
RE:Sikh or Hindu militant
by Lal Popat on Jan 01, 2008 05:52 AM Permalink
Hinduism indeed is not Sikhism. In fact Hindu is an umbrella word given by the Arabs to pagan worshipers and their million gods across Sindhu river.
It is only during the Bhakti movement that Ram and Krishna became mainstream gods. In ancient India Shiva and Buddhism/Jainism were more popular.
RE:Good News
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
what about those terrorists who have been released by BJP government and 300 naxalites ran away from chattisgarh jail. What BJP was doing when V. P. singh was feeding biryani to terrorists? BJP was supporting government. Why Afjal Guru is kept alive? Why did not security forces killed him at the time of his arrest since 2002? Find out some better award for BJP a terrorist and criminal supporting party.Now BJP did not object when akalis have put portrait of binderwale in swarn mandir and awarded him as a martyr.
1. Islam--monotheist religion--a hardcore terrorist relgion. 2. Sikhism--monohtiest religion--has the history of terrorism 3. Judaism--monotheist religion--was a brutal religion during the pasttimes but later changed. 5. Christianity--semi-monotheist religion--was once used to be brutal but now got reformed.
Where does these IB men get all these informations?! Of late, our met department is predicting weather with better accuracy, still our IB could not improve much. You see, Panjab is a much developed state and one of the richest states in India. I do not think any sardarji has any time to take up arms and kill innocent people in the public places. Moreover, I do not think, Sikhism promises heaven if anyone kills the innocent people. Definitely, ISI can find a few criminals in their fold, but this Khalistani stuff will never reincarnate. Never.
RE:IB at it again
by Madan Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
What can I say - People who never learn from history will have the pain of it being repeated - with added costs!
RE:IB at it again
by on Jan 01, 2008 07:08 AM Permalink
Prabhakaran, I really appreiciate your deep thought and rational thinking. I am assuming here that u lived in Punjab or in surrounding states. Actually we so called metro city people Think in religious lines ( Hindu , Sikh, Muslim , christain) ...but majority of India who lives in villages still think on Caste lines. Brahminwaad ( Not the Brahmin individua l) still tries to get it's control over the lower caste people in villages in all spheres of life .....viz social, political as well as economical spheres of life. Now particalu in Punjab , Sikhi which broke the backbone of Brahminwaad in North india , has bone of contention of High caste hindus of Punjab till today . Majority of Sikhs are villageres ( considered low caste ) and in cities u have high caste hindus. Thus these Brahmins of North keep on making various attempts to demolish the rise of lower caste people and thus they will always try to show that Sikhs are anti - India . Let me give u an example of SIKHS commitment to India . Till 1947 u may have heard many contributions of Sikhs in national independece movements. In 1965 when pakistan attacked India ...there was huge Punjabi-suba movement going on in Punjab against Centeral government . As soon as Pak atacked India, Akal Takhat and all Sikh leaders called off the protest against Center and a directive was issued to all Sikhs to defend the country first. ....and only once the was was over , protest was restarted. .
RE:RE:IB at it again
by prabhakaran natesan on Dec 31, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Again, government agancies must not use the term Sikh militancy, just like they do not use Islamic Militancy
Indian state is once again trying to label Sikhs are terrorists.
Sikhs will no longer tolerate the tactics used during the 1980/90's to undermine the Sikhs.
That time also Sikhs are made to feel as second rate citizens,false arrests were made,later false encounters .Sikhs were made to look suspicious in the eyes of other Indians,anti Sikh groups were given a free hand (that time it was the Nirankaris,this time Sirsa dera).
That time there was only 1 TV :DD and it was misused a lot to discredit the Sikh movement.Sikhs have not forgotten that.Now the so called unbiased Indian tv channels are working as govt mouthpieces.
Please stop this immediately.
When some channel can conduct a sting operation to expose the Gujarat genocide then why cant a sting operation be mounted to check the truth behind the recent arrest of Sikhs ?
"Knights of falsehood" in the form of Punjab police are active again.
As regards IB's warning the IB already stands discredited in many cases including Sirsa dera issue,Nithari killings issue etc.
If you wish to still believe it then it's your wish.
RE:Singh
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
This happens when some misguided people from particuler community get involve in terrorist activity and whole community come under scanner . It is upto commmunity leader & all the parents to stop this nonsense.Who is stopping you to carry out sting operation. If you feel that they are innocent go to punjab highcourt. You need to understand difference between CBI & IB
RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Jitendra Kumar,you wrote "This happens when some misguided people from particuler community get involve in terrorist activity and whole community come under scanner "
I dont agree with this.
Why haven't the people who killed Muslims in Gujrat genocide and those involved in Sikh genocide in 1984 called "Hindu terrorists" either by the govt,IB or the media ?
Why is hanging and capital punishment only for Muslims and Sikhs and not for Hindus ?
Who is discriminating against whom ?
The true face of hindutva became evident when modi recently said in his statement in Delhi after Benazir Bhutto's death said that now "Jiye Sindh" movement will gain ground in Sindh Pakistan .
Now who is the disintegrator ?
Does not this indirectly show that RAW or IB are indirectly involved in Sindh ?
If you say No, then how can IB say ISI is involved in Punjab ?
RE:Singh
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Why are you worry about pakistan ? Why do you bother if pakistan gets disintegrated ? Do you think Modi is so capable person who can play important role in pakistan politics ? In the last who are YOU ??????
RE:RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
for IMPARTIAL :
I feel you seem to be in a drunken state as you are not able to understand what Im saying and considering the issues raised by me silly and baseless. If you consider rapes and murders as that happened in 1984 and 2002 silly and baseless then you are really drunk .But if I say had this happened to you and the perpetrators are let go free then you will come to your senses at once. Moreover it's end of the year so it's not your fault if you've been drinking .
RE:RE:RE:Singh
by IMPARTIAL on Jan 01, 2008 05:51 AM Permalink
Happy new year to you Mahajan, He is not Paki/muslim.He is Sikh gentleman from Punjab who has unfortunately seen only one side of coin.He needs to see other side also.
RE:RE:RE:Singh
by Mahajan Tarun on Jan 01, 2008 05:41 AM Permalink
Mr. on Please get some life. HINDUS, MUSLIMS, SIKHS - all Indians please do not listen to this guy. I have been following him for some time now in these posts and I can see that under this false name "on" this person always speaks against India in whatever matter. I have always seen this - he will cleverly try to hide his identity saying he is not a pakistani and trying to give unbiased views but always he tries to point out the wrong with Hindus or India. Even if he is an Indian its even worse as all he is doing is trying to disintegrate. Please read any of his posts and you will know. Earlier he was writing for muslims and now for sikhs. He is just trying to flame the emotions. Please be careful. I have requested him a few times to stop this but he is still on. God anyway will punish him. Mr. on, if u think killing in the name of Allah or speaking bad for other religions in the name of Allah is good than you are in great loss my dear. Its allah who wil punish you for this.
RE:RE:RE:Singh
by deepak on Jan 01, 2008 04:13 AM Permalink
Why dont you get mad at Congress when the riots happened? maybe this was the way to divide Hindus & Sikhs.
RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
Sikh from Punjab.You ?
And Im not worrying about Pakistan.Im just telling the mind set of Hindutva forces,Modi,BJP and also Badal who is allied to BJP in Punjab. We have some people like badal who have given up before the Hindutva forces and trying to get Sikhs assimilated in Hinduism which most Sikhs in Punjab and even outside fiercely resist .
It is this same ideology which is prevalent in various institutions including the media.That is why Sikhs are projected in the Indian media either as terrorists or jokers .
Such things severely hit the self esteem of the Sikhs.But this will not be taken lying down any more.It is good to note that a Sikh leader from UP belonging to a non Congress-BJP party has recently taken Ambani head on for circulating anti Sikh jokes over his mobile network.Similar acts will follow .
Sikhs have never forgiven anyone who has dared to mess with the Sikh religion .This is history.The punishment may get delayed for some reason .If this is considered militancy then so be it.
The media,IB,govt including Badal(BJP)govt in Punjab has again started labelling Sikhs as militants.Whereas it should now be clear from the above example that Modi,BJP and even Congress are instead terrorists and seperatists .
The very same govts ie center and Punjab who are labelling Sikhs as militants are instead giving protection to Sirsa saadh who has openly challenged the Sikh community,further he has committed murder and rape.What the govt has done is given
RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
for Jitendar Kumar : Im Sikh from Punjab but not Pakistan. Who is instigating one community against the other ? We are instead facing an onslaught on our religion and defending ourselves against it. We are resisting assimilation and interference in our religion. This is the majority view in Punjab that is why the Shiv sena,RSS band against installation of Sant Bhindranwale's potrait(which is an internal matter of the Sikhs) evoked zero response in Punjab although BJP(Badal) indirectly tried to help Shiv sena.
RE:Singh
by deepak on Jan 01, 2008 04:11 AM Permalink
dont talk abt mindset buddy. the world is reeling under Islamic terror and you talking about mindset? from England to USA, Holland to Denmark Islamism wrecks havoc with their evil fanatical doctrine and you come and teach about Hindu mindset?? the very fact there are more Muslims in India and that they get to be Azim Premji and not terrorists is proof enough of Hindu mindset. Hindus are the only civilizing influence on Muslims. Get that man.
RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
The very same govts ie center and Punjab who are labelling Sikhs as militants are instead giving protection to Sirsa saadh who has openly challenged the Sikh community,further he has committed murder and rape.What the govt has done is given him z plus security which is given only to so called VIP people in India.
Had he been a common man he would either have been given life sentence or hanged but since votes are connected to him he is given VIP status.
Here it needs to be clarified that most Sikhs in Punjab(I cant say about those outside) are against the fascist hindutva forces but not against the hindu religion as such.
Further Sikhs are not Hindus and assimilation will never be tolerated .
It was not tolerated during Mughals nor during Congress rule in 1980/90s nor will it be tolerated today .
RE:Singh
by Jitendra Kumar on Dec 31, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
You are liar for sure. You are expert in instigating one community to other and such expertise can be imported from one country only that is pakistan. You have opened your mouth so wide that internal secrets have came out. Kindly look at your country pakistan it is burning , you do not need IB ,Modi or CIA to disintegrate. It will be done by your brothers only, so put your best effort to keep it united instead of working as a match box.
RE:RE:Singh
by on Dec 31, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
for ROMESH KUMAR :
The same can be said when a minority community is pushed to the wall what happened from 1978 onwards in Punjab is bound to happen.
You reap what you sow.
If you think that you or indian govt will get away this time after messing with Sikhs you are mistaken .
Despite your hindutva govt being in power you were not able to close even one shop in Punjab during the recent call given by the Hindutva forces in protest against the installation of the potrait of Sant Jarnail Singh.
As regards my age Im not bound to tell you about that but I can tell you Ive seen all events in Punjab since 1978.
Many Sikhs like me are alive and well and no anti Sikh act will be tolerated.
If we are pushed to the wall as the Badal(BJP) has started to do you yourself have said what happens then.
Trying to mess with us and considering us a minority will be a mistake.
RE:Singh
by Mahajan Tarun on Jan 01, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
Mr. on Please get some life. HINDUS, MUSLIMS, SIKHS - all Indians please do not listen to this guy. I have been following him for some time now in these posts and I can see that under this false name "on" this person always speaks against India in whatever matter. I have always seen this - he will cleverly try to hide his identity saying he is not a pakistani and trying to give unbiased views but always he tries to point out the wrong with Hindus or India. Even if he is an Indian its even worse as all he is doing is trying to disintegrate. Please read any of his posts and you will know. Earlier he was writing for muslims and now for sikhs. He is just trying to flame the emotions. Please be careful. I have requested him a few times to stop this but he is still on. God anyway will punish him. Mr. on, if u think killing in the name of Allah or speaking bad for other religions in the name of Allah is good than you are in great loss my dear. Its allah who wil punish you for this.
RE:Singh
by Hooter on Dec 31, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
If ISI has vacancy, go & join them or any of their affiliations like LeT or some Mujahiddeen ... chances are that either you will be hunted down on Pak-Afghan border OR Pak-India LOC.
Kill the supporters of any terrorists on the spot THEN ONLY TERRORISM can be finished by root.
Central govt can take high level meeting on each month with top level judiciary persons including judges and advocates and with important leaders of all parties with Important police and I B persons and should decide list of top 1000 militants and their supporters and get approval in meeting. and then kill all known terrorists and supporters as terrorists are well trained and not keeping any evidences.
Future of india is in hands of all indian political leaders of all party.
if they can realise threat due to Foreign countries and their supporters inside country at various levels thenonly indian leaders can act. The main problem is all leaders of all parties are thinking only about money , high power and vote bank politics to get power always in cool way without support of Hindu majority OF India.
But let us pray god that they will realise threat to india and to them also.
For example - Recently two terrorists have killed in encounter in UP which are said as HUJI terrorists. Now why congress is keeping mum ? not shouting like soharabuddin case ...why ?
Soharabuddin case is similar to this as he was also considered as threat to india due to backing of foreign hands and was in wanted list of 4 indian states.
But politics have played by congress for getting votes in Gujrat elections with respect to this case, but prove funny.
