When Iran and Iraq were fighting, the rest of the world was in peace. When that stopped muslims started targeting other places. Now if infighting starts in Pakistan I think we in India can live safe.
RE:Story time
by Golden on Dec 27, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
let him tell man. he is describing his dreams. like bush dreamed about the 911 and accused talibans while CIA is still not able to say anything with confidence.
RE:Story time
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
It is not clear whether your are: a. James Bond - Man with the Golden Gun b. Chinese wonk - Golden Yellow c. Amaar Sonaar Bangla type Golden d. Just tinsel glittering gold e. Golden Temple sanctified gold f. Just and Golden hearted gold.
If you are grade F think in the "hum kisi say kum nahin.." mode, if you do not quite cut that grade, chalega!
RE:Story time
by lancer on Dec 27, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
porki , the question was do u know who raman is ? all indians know abot him.i don hate pakis but raman is serious person.
RE:Story time
by Ram K on Dec 27, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
What is the 'nonsense' ? Raman has just written prsented some factual stuff and made his analysis ... What's wrong with that ... If you can not stomach that, quit reading news sites like Rediff !
Pakistan NEEDS to give back Waziristan region back to Afghanistan as they should have after Durand line 100 year treaty expired in 1990s (like Hong Kong went back to china). This will eliminate the excuse mushraf uses to why pak military cannot go there (autonomous region) and NATO cannot come into (Pakistan territory). Pakistan grabbed this land after treaty expired and called it a autonomous region . It needs to give it back as it should have in the first place. Then NATO can go in and clean the place out, local pashtuns will like that too.
Benazir is an immatured politician and is not capable of ruling a country like Pakistan. Never has she done anything to be looked upon kindly by Indians knowing her actions. She was a beutiful Young girl when she visted INdia with her father to sign shimla agreement.. That's all
RE:Had to happen
by Bhardwaj Velamakanni on Dec 27, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
But it does not warrant her killing like this! Hope Musharraf opens his eyes atleast now and stops funding the terrorists - He created a Frankinstein's Monster to trouble India and it's now harming Pakistan more!
Incidentally Bhutto happened to be the first person to encourage Terrorism against India and it's sad it took her own life!
My heart goes out to the people of pakistan and the bhutto family.One thing seems to be clear-Musharrff is directly or indirectly responsible for this gruesome murder.this is the beginning of a people's movement which will culminate in the overthrowing of president Musharraff. Only a stable government in Pakistan can provide security to the region and help india sleep in peace.
RE:Anti-Bhutto army factions behind murder?
by Parimala Badrinath on Dec 27, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
No need to sob so bitterly, Mr.Thomas. Her bad karma finally caught up with her. Remember 1989-90 when she was the PM and terrorism in Kashmir started. She used ISI, jihadis and the Pakistani state apparatus to create terror in India. She got she what she deserved. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
RE:Anti-Bhutto army factions behind murder?
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
please ask ur misplaced heart to come back and go out again for the kashmiri pundits and the sikhs killed in 84 for starters..
Pakistan NEEDS to give back Waziristan region back to Afghanistan as they should have after Durand line 100 year treaty expired in 1990s (like Hong Kong went back to china). This will eliminate the excuse mushraf uses to why pak military cannot go there (autonomous region) and NATO cannot come into (Pakistan territory). Pakistan grabbed this land after treaty expired and called it a autonomous region . It needs to give it back as it should have in the first place. Then NATO can go in and clean the place out, local pashtuns will like that too.
How does Raman know this just 12 hours after her murder? The whole world know Al Qaeda and her ilk killed her. But Raman sitting in his drawing room or wherever in India is able to point to 'Zia-ul Haq loyalists, junior members of the Pakistan army and, possibly, the Pakistan air force'. If this is indeed true, then a retired RAW officer has as much and more access to information than a RAW official and our secret service RAW is fantastic and the best agency in the world because it has pieced together the people who killed Benazir just 12 hours after her death and not even being able to inspect the forensic evidence!! Never mind that they cannot locate Dawood Ibrahim!
RE:How does Raman know this?
by Kumar on Dec 27, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Mr. Raman's analysis is based on media reports and piecing information available in the public domain as well as years of experience of having served in the Cabinet Secretariat. The analysis may be correct or wrong. You need to read his papers titled International Terrorism Monitor in SAAG.org.
RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
One needs to be wary of your subtle approach; is it merely cynicism or a crafted and planted confusion?
With continued exposure Indian blog readers are also getting more and more sophisticated and can figure out which is which. They do have their basis for reliability criterion.
................. Reliability criterion ---------------------------------------------- Space and time have no events Nor matter worth words. Thoughts explore the probabilities, Has no realistic discernment.
May be some one has put some sense In these crunched patterns Evoking persuasive responses beyond reason. May be not.
RE:RE:How does Raman know this?
by Desi on Dec 27, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
HAHAHA! I really liked your post. 'merely cynicism or a crafted and planted confusion' You should be working in RAW for your powers of analysis!!
My point was to the fact that Raman pointed to three distinct entities 'Zia-ul Haq loyalists, junior members of the Pakistan army and, possibly, the Pakistan air force' He is basing this analysis on? If our intelligence set up is so good that Raman can pinpoint to or atleast point to entities he thinks are responsible within a few hours without even examining the crime scene, why can't our intelligence figure out where Dawood is holed up? His address?
RE:How does Raman know this?
by Golden on Dec 27, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
why are you crying man? cant he dream? he ate too much last night so he is having all kinds of dream now.
RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
Desi,
The address is known and it has also been published in Times Of India earlier. Question is how can the State of Pakistan reach him legally and detain him. The extant and reach of terror is very widespread. They will simply eliminate the officers and the families in Pakistan who will seek to arrest.
The matter is not as simple in a civil democracy as it appears. I remember in 1970's a custom officer was stabbed in broad daylight on his chair just because he was sincerely duty bound.
It took many years of political work to create the secured and secular ambience where lawful work could be done safely.
RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
"You should be working in RAW for your powers of analysis!!" ........... Thanks for your smart compliment. This forces me to limit exposure by asserting that the goal here has only been voluntary and to serve the cause of development management.
RE:How does Raman know this?
by Bitter Truth on Dec 27, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
LOL and how do you know al qaeda killed her sitting in your drawing room
RE:How does Raman know this?
by Desi on Dec 27, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
Who else then? Al Qaeda means 'The Base'. Basis for all terrorism. My point was to the fact that Raman pointed to three distinct entities 'Zia-ul Haq loyalists, junior members of the Pakistan army and, possibly, the Pakistan air force'. How EXACTLY does he know this?
RE:How does Raman know this?
by GOGO on Dec 27, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
because basically these would have been the poeple opposed to either benazir or sharif coming to power in Pak.
RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
Desi,
You to got to understand that the mettle of Indian officers is of very high order and they have clarity on the inter-play of real forces. Learn to respect their education and when you oppose it better be to point by point and with the intent of being constructive.
RE:RE:How does Raman know this?
by Desi on Dec 27, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Thanks off side for taking the time out to reflect on my post! I respect his education and his analysis. I have been reading his columns for a long time. But these conclusions he is giving seem too fantastic considering the time line! Granted he has back channel access and his own contacts to feed him but before the Pakis can give a formal statement (which will be lies anyway), does Raman need to point to three different entites that were never previously on the radar?
RE:RE:RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 10:41 PM Permalink
May be they were not on your radar, but they have been published in many Indian newspaper portals. They were on my sonar!
RE:How does Raman know this?
by off side on Dec 27, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Point about 'sonar', instead of Radar is what you say got to hold some water. The other watery way of looking may be
Rahiman Paani Rakhiye! Bin Paani Sab soon!! Paani Gaye naa oobre! Moti, Manas, Choon !!
RE:How does Raman know this?
by Jay on Dec 27, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
The Title of the article is "Anti-Bhutto army factions behind murder?". Does the question mark "?" in the title means anything to you? To me it means "May be"
