There are 10 books in the Rigveda. Ten mandalams. First nine mandalams refers to a God and presents methods of worship as rituals. In the tenth mandalam, besides this Lord Almighty, there is the mention about a man. The first born and only born son of the God. His name is ‘Prajapathy’. Prajapathy, the son of the God comes to this world at the appropriate time. After coming to this world he travels around advising mankind, what is sin and what is not sin; what is to be done and what is not to be done; what is wrong and what is right. To those human beings, who accept his advises and obey his orders, he offers prosperity and peace in this worldly life and salvation at the time of their death. And being the completion of his venture to redeem mankind from sin, he gets sacrificed at the end his specified period on earth. In verse 7 chapter 90 of the 10th book of the Rigveda, the sacrifice of Prajapathy the Son of God, is well explained. ‘At the time of sacrifice, the son of God will be tightly tied to a wooden sacrificial post using iron nails by hands and legs, he will bleed to death and on the third day he will regain his life in a resurrection.” Evidently none of the avatars meets this description. Nor are they expecting another incarnation, which will fit the description and attributes.
Re: why conversion? Search the truth yourself and the truth will
by siddharth on Jan 06, 2009 01:00 AM Permalink
So you know every thing about vedas???? Who gave vedas or who wrote it? Prajapathy never preach religion do you know that... You are saying the same old story like St. Thomas visiting india you poor soul
Re: why conversion? Search the truth yourself and the truth will
by Born Hindu on Feb 03, 2009 10:23 AM Permalink
Dear Murugan, i think your knowledge is not complete. Vedic knowledge is not finite. and Rigveda is not "JUST 10 BOOKS" kindly enlighten yourself
The greatness of any religion lies in the actions of its believers and not by those with great historical claims. Structures and history are quoted by those lacking spirituality and depth or those having nothing worthwhile in the present. There are good and 'not so good' persons perhaps in all religions. Let us not judge others. Let us look at ourselves. Spirituality is what most of us lack. Conversion comes from within -not from an outward stamp of any religion. May we all be converted. Does our actions manifest the greatness of the God or the religion we believe in??? Ask yourself the question. Judge for yourself. No discussions please. Just introspection and self judgement. Let's work honestly to improve our lives and of those around us, proving we are true sons and daughters of India.
Conversion, yes. Inducements, no. The question is who makes the judgment whether a particular conversion is due to inducements, or because of the personal decision of an individual? When an adult opts to be converted, respect for human dignity demands that his/her decision be respected. Neither the Sangh Parivar nor anyone else should conclude that the poor, the tribals, and the peasants are not able to make adult decisions. They may not make the decisions by logic that someone else uses. They have their valid reasons for their decision. Let them make their decisions and let us treat them as adults.
Re: Conversion, yes. Inducements, no.
by common sense on Oct 06, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
The same argument is used when ever the debate arises whether Indian masses are ready for democracy. I like your argument; even tribals and poor convert due to inducement, as you say we should respect their decision as adults since they were ready to be induced; Those who cry foul against induced conversions through monetary help do not know what is hunger probably. Though I am a staunch Hindu and might even have felt contempt at one time at those who convert for economic reasons, now I amm feeling sympathy after seeing the reality. If we want to protect Hindu religion, we should first ensure two meels a day for our brethern before spouting stronger sentiments
Re: Conversion, yes. Inducements, no.
by Guest on Oct 16, 2008 05:12 AM Permalink
Anyone can convert to whatever religion, with inducements or none at all. problem is when the neo-convert 'denigrates' the parent religion. You convert and I convert but why do we have to offend the neighbour's religion. This is the issue. Please JUSTICE WADHWA COMMISSION REPORT. In Kandhamal orissa, DARA SINGH murdered GRAHAM STAINES and his sons by burning them. On investigation many witnesses bore testimony to the fact that Dara Singh was involved in 'Freeing COWS from Slaughter'. Dr. B Das close associate of Graham Staines also testified that Graham Staines 'hated' Hindu religion and advocated the eating of beef to all neo-converts. I leave the conclusion to the readers. Just a reminder that COW Slaughter (wrong or right) is bannedd by LAW in 28 states barring 2.
Re: Conversion, yes. Inducements, no.
by Josh Decypher on Oct 17, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
Conversion is changing ones belief in another God and follow the tenets of the religion. No one can force a person to beleive. Money cannot make one beleive. One has to trust. Can money make you trust a new God? Can food make you trust a new God? Let us know our religions well and think if anyone can be forcefully converted? A human being can be forced to eat, work, kill however cannot be forced to trust or believe.
Re: Re: Conversion, yes. Inducements, no.
by Born Hindu on Feb 10, 2009 01:25 AM Permalink
Josh, Even if thinks of god the same way, he will make money with funds from west. and UK visa :-)
This article should be sent to and also read by all the Bishops in India and other Christian missionaries. The Central and state governments, and leading politicians should also read this. A person leaves a religion for various reasons. It is OK if one leaves by himself or herself. But for another to preach and convert is to assume superiority over the other individual. In Kerala we seldom find the Churches attempting conversion of other religious groups. The family of a person converting feels hurt. Orissa has seen this problem over two years. The Missionaries did not stop. They have gone and saught the help of Maoists to even Kill a religiouis leader. Does Christianity preach this? We have seen the consequences. I am ashamed to be a Christian, if that is so. We do not need numbers. We need people with compassion, to be Christians. We can serve, Hindus, Mulims or Jews or even Atheists, if they are in need, without asking them to even recognise Jesus. That is Christianity. Hindus over centuries have not tried to convert others. They have accepted people of all other faith. Christians and Muslims should look inward, for the present situation in India.
Re: Message to be read by Archidiocess
by RRAMESH on Oct 08, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
Dear thomas, You are the only one christian to have accepted the truth-church plotted the killing of hindu monk thro maoists.The present church doesnot follow christ.True christianity is dead after christ.Its is now churchianity and not christianity.conversions take place thro service,inducments,collusions with insurgents like maoists in orissa,tripura etc.I appreciate your greatness in accepting the truth.Why the so called archbishops still donot accept the church plotted the killing of the swami. RAMESH
Dear all How christian people are converting by giving money and medicine in one hand and Bible in other hand please visit orissa tribal district.Even you can see any other place. thanks
Re: please check how they are converting
by Milton Terang on Oct 06, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
If some members of the Christian church were indeed involved in giving undue pressure and inducements its wrong. But it's also wrong to make blanket statements like "how Christian people" are such and such....
Re: please check how they are converting
by Denzil Godin on Oct 06, 2008 06:18 AM Permalink
Dear Nalini, At the rate you claim with 2000 years of Christianity should not the whole of India been Christian??? See the 'service' done for those who are rejected by the 'upright' and 'spiritual'. Will they/you not have a conversion of heart?
Re: please check how they are converting
by Bishwnath Chatterjee on Oct 14, 2008 01:05 PM Permalink
denzil its not u it is foreign land that is doing to show that europe is ur saviour by pouring huge fund.and thatis not spirituality.
Re: please check how they are converting
by GRJ on Oct 06, 2008 09:35 AM Permalink
If nalini mohanty can also give money, medicines, and Ramayan, Mahabharat, Gita....they will also become Nalin mohanty Hindus.
Why cant she try???.....instead of preaching.....she should start practizing and bring up her own Hindus.
Re: Re: please check how they are converting
by Born Hindu on Feb 10, 2009 01:30 AM Permalink
GRJ, your usage of ramayan,mahabharat and gita indicates what you feel about other religions and ur understanding of them.
if it is "her own hindus" what the hell is missionaries trying to do by christianing them ?
Re: please check how they are converting
by GRJ on Oct 30, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
what about u ??? B Chatterjee???
Practize more preach less.
Christians are practizing more preaching ....see and learn. After sometime u and I will help each other if we keep talking and doing what our ancestors also did not do ??? Do it now.....!!! stop saying same reply to u. You also Reply !!!
How is it that one finds no preacher or evangelist in Kashmir or old Hyderabad or any other Muslim colony trying to convert the way they do elsewhere in India? Should say Indonesia, Malaysia Saudi etc too are very fertile grounds for the Pope to "harvest souls". I have hardly come across these born again churches etc in Muslim dominated areas in India. If one were to extend the marketing angle to this, this harvesting goes on only in those "markets" where the missionaries have an access. In Muslim dominated areas and Kashmir, I shudder to think as to what would have happened to these preachers had they done an Orissa there. What would CPM say then? Sriram
RE:Conversion or a business opportunity
by Demo-crazy on Jan 10, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
The silence of the christian friends (who believe in conversion) and our communist / secular friends to respond to you itself shows what fate awaits those who dare to convert a Muslim.
If anyone leave the faith, they have the most extreme punishment for that. An act of apostasy is not looked upon kindly by them.
So no missionary ever tries to convert a muslim in an area where they are in significant numbers.
It can happen with only Hindus because of the cowardice of our leaders who have broken this society into fragments for their greed.
i b:long to jain community. our religious leaders or community leaders for that matter never feel the urge to convert poors to our religion out of some good deed... though our community is engaged in a vast and host of welfare projects across our nation..that's simply because we do not seek to align our identity with some third nation "POPE".
and essentially these christian missionary are hardly here with divine intentions of only helping the humanity.... 50 years are a witness to their mass conversions in almost all of the tribal belts..... inlcuding those of missionaries of charity..
religious alterations should be judged from time to time in relation with the mass of it. an exceptional case of converting to another religion might well go with the sober character of a society.... but not a conversion on commercial factory production basis..
i challenge the missionaries to convince the rich and economically prosperous to convert from Hinduism or Jainism to christianity..
they would not be able to do that... not even Teresa could have..
RE:exposed agenda
by KodandaRam M on Dec 28, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
Hi, My name is Kodanda Ram, a senior project manager in a Software MNC from Hyderabad. I can say that I am economically prosperous. I was a religious and devout Hindu. I heard the Christian gospel. Did my own analysis and became a follower of Jesus Christ. I got CONVERTED. There are so many examples like me around, whom I know personally. I totally disagree that only poor are converted because of some benefits. I would like to suggest you that please do proper analysis before making that comment.
RE:exposed agenda
by JGN on Dec 28, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
Mr. KodandaRam, pl read The Necessity of Atheism by Dr.D.M. Brooks freely available at Project Gutenberg and find the true colours of religions. Also read The Skeptics Annotated Bible. It has category-wise verses of the Bible and understand for yourself.
Re: RE:exposed agenda
by Born Hindu on Feb 10, 2009 01:31 AM Permalink
JGN, ignore kodanda :-) some smart guy,created this id for onetime usage pretty much like an evangelist
RE:exposed agenda
by Demo-crazy on Jan 10, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
Kodanda Ram, if you had taken half the effort you would have probably found some worth in our own religion. I do not know what made you think Hinduism is not good for you. Every religion has something good or something bad. It is the effort of the educated to reform to the extent they can in their personal practice. This is possible in Hinduism. For example, no one bothers you with going to a temple or praying certain number of times. I am not a practitioner of the rituals. I believe in a Supreme Power, and focus on doing good. My parents never forced me to perform any rituals. I never force anyone to do anything against their wishes. Religion is a personal affair. You need to realize God within. Not by going out to a place of worship.
Re: RE:exposed agenda
by Born Hindu on Feb 10, 2009 01:23 AM Permalink
Dear Demo-crazy, dont believe that fellow. He is christian by birth,using his tactics :-). Kodandaram, why dont you post your address and details in here, so that we can verify your claim?
RE:exposed agenda
by the nation on Dec 27, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
conversions to christianity in North -eastern states allmost all of them, kerala etc. has only fuelled anti-nationalism, seperatism, and unrest among them and which in turn has flung these people quite away from the mainstream of our nation.
RE:exposed agenda
by marat on Dec 27, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
People in westorn countires to stop giving donations to Ramkrishna mission etc of hindu organisation and to find out they are funding this jungle minded VHP , bajarangi etc Deploy the cetral forces in Orissa to prevent the looting ang madness of Bjaranghese wild cultre
Re: RE:exposed agenda
by Born Hindu on Feb 10, 2009 01:21 AM Permalink
if you are a commmie,wait till the next sino-indian conflict. will chase you all around like dogs and kick ur a.s.s
bloody parasites. drinking poor working class blood to feed ur greed
RE:exposed agenda
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
marat, the western countries can even take away oxygen from the atmosphere of Indian sub-continent. Then all living things will perish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
