If a lower middlle class person has 11 children, then how can he manage to to provide good facilities to his children. This person is orthodox muslim who doesnt beleive in country policies like family planning. He only beleives in islam releigon. Being a teacher cant he understand his income is not sufficeient to provide good facilities for family. These sort of people only want to increase the population of muslim community in india. Indian governemt during 1980's was focussing on family planning. Even many hindu middle class people effectively implemented family planning. But what happened to this educated muslim. Can any one say the point I mentioned is wrong.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Mohit Srivastava on Aug 31, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
Boss, is a simple funda, ppl who are faouring this policy that its ok to have 11 children, are they planning to have it in their family.. definitely not!! I m 100% agree with Sandeep's point.. being teacher he couldn't understand this simple logic of keeping small family when Govt is spending coroes of rupees to encourage family planning!! Above that he is regreting saying "I made them study in Urdu schools" .. was he thinking that he would be able to give a gud education and life to his kids earning 7K? The underlying objective of ppl like him is just to increase the popluation at the cost messing up social, economical condition of country. Nothing can be done by any Govt, social body until n unless people like him come out of this FANATISM and think logically.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Ramprasad S on Aug 31, 2007 08:01 AM Permalink
Dear,
The point you have mentioned is 100% right. The family planning introduced by Government, I think is followed by only Hindus and no other religion in India. The way, our demography pattern is changing, it is not a surprise that India becomes an Islamic nation in the years to come. Our Politicians and Policy makers have to bear this in mind.
RE:RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by on Aug 31, 2007 08:41 AM Permalink
Don't talk about Islam without knowing what it is. Yes, Hindu's follow govt., rules as there religion don't have one, U stopped killing females only after govt., forced to stop, else till today Sathi would have continued in Hindu religion. Now coming to point I don't blame having any number of children if he can feed, Orthodox Hindu/Muslims/Chinese were having many kids from ages and nothing happened before. Why all this terrorism activities happening now ? In media every where we see India is progressing but in reality corruption in India is progressing I blame unemployment in India for giving window for all these activities.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Anurag Shrivastava on Aug 31, 2007 09:22 AM Permalink
go ahead and have 20 kids if you can feed them. Its difficult to bring up 2 kids properly and give them good, high quality education to succeed- obviously a person with 10 kids will bring up only criminals and dullards. So no one is worried if some produce 10 kids - if they fall astray - they would one day or the other be stopping a bullet from police.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by on Aug 31, 2007 08:40 AM Permalink
Don't talk about Islam without knowing what it is. Yes, Hindu's follow govt., rules as there religion don't have one, U stopped killing females only after govt., forced to stop, else till today Sathi would have continued in Hindu religion. Now coming to point I don't blame having any number of children if he can feed, Orthodox Hindu/Muslims/Chinese were having many kids from ages and nothing happened before. Why all this terrorism activities happening now ? In media every where we see India is progressing but in reality corruption in India is progressing I blame unemployment in India for giving window for all these activities.
RE:RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Ram Sharma on Aug 31, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
dear ...on
it is a sin to have many children, whether islam is against it. do not foolishly and rigidly follow what was written in a book thousands of yrs ago, when scientific knowledge was poor and population was very low. our population has increased from 33 cr to 105 cr since independence.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Sourav Ganguly on Aug 31, 2007 08:25 AM Permalink
LOL Laoo Prasad Yadav has how many children? Is he Muslim? Think before you write?
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Rajinder Katoch on Aug 31, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
People like Laloo Prasad Yadav cannot fight a panchayat election in Himachal because there the election norm is two children. If Laloo is a shit then should we glorify him? Do you think he is worth talking like Bilal father.
RE:RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Ramprasad Srinivasan on Aug 31, 2007 08:40 AM Permalink
There are exceptions to this. I am not telling that all Hindus (100%) are following Family planning. But, if you view at macro level, majority of people who have gone for family planning in later 1970s or 80s are the Hindus and not the Muslims.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Prakash Yallapragada on Aug 31, 2007 07:44 AM Permalink
Money is not everything, dear. He has a right to bear children. If one of them goes astray, it's because of the same rat race after money. That money which is influencing the youth to take the path of violence.
RE:11 children thats the problem of orthodox muslim
by Attract Ivist on Aug 31, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
I dont agree. Money means a lot, when it comes to giving the kids proper aducation and upbringing.
And regarding the right to have chindren, many countries in the world forces people to have smaller family. It is not just him, it has a social bearing as well and has an affect on the national ecomony.
I can feel old Waheed's pain due to his son's actions.
Religion has been misused. Some want to be seen as pious for ulterior motives. I have met atheists, who are ever helping others as they do not believe in after life, heaven or hell. Whatever good one can do, do now and do not expect to get anywhere. It is obvious that religion has split humanity. People are strait jacketed and lose power of reasoning.
Recently Mother Theresa's belief in God was questioned. She felt empty and doubted Jesus's existence.
I have seen people obsessed with rituals to a ridiculous extent.There is no harm in any belief as long as you have give and take. There can be only one God, as Miss Universe can get pregnant with even the ugliest. Let us not get carried away with heaven and hell. Where were we, before we were born. Any, recollections? Has anybody seen God? The scriptures we follow are all before modern science made lots of discoveries. God, as we know, has been around for couple of thousand years, but man for million years. Man has invented many Gods. It is a moot point whether God created man, but man has made many Gods.
Misuse of religion is plain ugly. The Bali bombers were promised heaven and seventy two virgins each. Heaven has to work overtime to produce these virgins, so much for the mental state of people brainwashed.
Normally, unknown people are more helpful than one's own family. Same applies to relgious affiliations, from personal experience.
RE:Feel the pain
by nila jena on Aug 31, 2007 08:21 AM Permalink
hey, what is your point.u r not clear .just trying to impose your beleifs(or non beliefs).einstein had invented n-power.that does not means every one makes a n-bomb and drops on others.then the world'll be finished in 2 days.when jesus,teresa,gandhi,vivekanand contributed to mankind in the name of god none objected the existance of god.now some people are doing destruction in the name of god, u r objecting HIS existance.about science,it is yet to completely understand human brain,genome that are made by creator(god?).it is still much time left when it will explain god.
Reading all the messages here and the sheer hatred between Hindus and Muslims. Realizing with total disappointment that the british have divided India so perfectly, I only have the words of Rabindranath Tagore to regain my unflinching hope in my country, my motherland, my life...my INDIA.
-------------------------- Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; Where knowledge is free; Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls; Where words come out from the depth of truth; Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection; Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit; Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action-- Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake. --------------------------
Don't ever fight for independence again if a foreign rule takes India away from you, if it will amount to this hatred in the end. Don't look at your neighbours and only embrace each other as INDIANS before you even ask each other for a name.
You are all part of one nation. I am proud to be an INDIAN and don't give yourself reasons to be otherwise.
RE:Where The Mind Is Without Fear
by Attract Ivist on Aug 31, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
I believe "hate" is a very strong word. Terrorism in the name of islam is a global phenomenon now. I don't want to get into the debate if those are true muslims or not. However it's true that some of the reasons they are fighting for receive widespread support from a large section of the muslim society, anywhere in the world. And thats where they get alienated from the rest of the society. I understand that not every muslim is a believer in the act of terrorism in the name of Islam, but then why don't they come out openly and do something against it. Generate a public opinion against these people who r misusing the name of Islam, strongly discourage any such activities in the society. Instead many of them come up with open support for anti-american sentiments or moral support for other so-called muslim suffering across the world. We all are fed up with the terrorism in the name of religion and we don't need to be member of RSS or VHP for that. Muslims in india protest the ties of india and america. Why? because George bush has killed many muslims in afghanistan and iraq. How is that related to India? No way. Stop being a muslim first and then an indian. The moment you put religion ahead of your religion ahead of nationality, the problem starts. Lets look at our national interest and not bother about what america has done to other muslim countries. Do the hindus blast a bomb in india if a hindu gets killed in saudi arabia? Do the sikhs blast a bomb in india if a sikh get
RE:Where The Mind Is Without Fear
by Chandra Ojha on Aug 31, 2007 07:54 AM Permalink
Thank you. I feel proud to be an Indian today. I think still we can make the land like it was before division in society and people...
RE:Please answer my question
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 06:31 AM Permalink
First of all you have not read quran otherwise you would not have said all you have written above. 1) If you are aware of history..please read what used to happen in saudi before Islam and how Islam changed it. Read about the Caliphate and how they used to rule. If you are not insane you will get answers.
2) I would like to know the scientific errors you have mentioned. Quran has so many scientific facts and all have been proved correct. Read Quran again with an open mind.
RE:RE:Please answer my question
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
Yeah Laden and his good buddies have read Quran in its original version (arabic) and has explored all top scientific facts which Quran advises.Great!!!! forget about Laden, whta abt N number of Muslims in India who are involved in Terrorist activities? they have not taught Quran? If not it then what is being taught in Madrassas??is it Bible or Geetha??
RE:Please answer my question
by Subhash Patel on Aug 31, 2007 07:51 AM Permalink
I am not Muslim. I have read Quran many times. It is very effective. I have a great respect for Prophet. He is the most remembered person in this world which proves his greatness. All mortals whoever had/have/will come are imperfect and so is Prophet. There are so many verses in Quran with which a sane person will not agree. e.g. 003.059 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.-Adam did not have mother, so it is imperfect comparison. No human will be borne without mother and father. Question how first human or any creature came is still required to be solved but answer can not be "He said unto him: Be! and he is." There are so many verses unagreeable. This space will be insufficient. Secondly his womanisation is highly objectionable. The very cause of all present problems lies there. This has increased the population at uncontrollable rate. Mohmmad Abdul Waheed , father of Shahid alias Bilal, Waheed and his wife Hafeeza have 11 children. Just think if he was capable of marrying 4 wifes what would have happened!! Even Mahatma Gandhi (much greater prophet) could not solve this problem so it is my present understanding that as nature controls everything, nature will take its own course to solve this problem and nobody's wisdom will be effective. As an individual I have a firm belief in BRAHMACHARYA but this is for self upliftment and not for others. No peace will ever appear until so called Mu
RE:RE:Please answer my question
by on Aug 31, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Please answer my question : yes or no?
Is allahs so called final messanger failed in his ultimate agenda of PEACE?
Yes or NO.
If you say yes, then even your soul will laugh at you.
3) why he married a 9 year girl and sex with her having more than 55yrs of age?
I have thousands of questions which you never answer. These are the questions which i tried to answer but failed as Quran clearly says everything is True.
My friend again i say Quran is Mohds way of capturing the world, nothing else ! ! !
RE:RE:Please answer my question
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
"If you say yes, then even your soul will laugh at you" the answer is Yes but my friend how many people following Islam? There are Jews, christians and other religions and even Muslims are not perfect muslims. Is there anything to blame Islam id we can not follow it perfectly?
2) You second question suggests that yu have never been a muslim. yes He(PBUH) married Ayesha but the purpose of the marriage was political. And if you know he married first to a widoe woman and who was 15 years older than him. And he married nest when he was 52. It means he spent 27 years of his younf life with a woman 15 years older to him.
RE:RE:Please answer my question
by on Aug 31, 2007 07:08 AM Permalink
hahaha.
You mean to say Mohd changed the whole world with peace and love?
I cant control myself laughing at you and how sick you are following him?
Again, Allahs so called messanger failed so is it allahs responsibility to send another GOOD messanger not like him?
I know you cant answer my question .
3) ok.what political reason you found marrying 9 yr old girl and immediately sex with her and again and again with the age of 52. Cant he handled without sex with her many times?
dont you feel sick and irritated reading that 52 had sex with 9 for POLITICAL REASON?
RE:RE:RE:Please answer my question
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
Because at that times muslims were less in numbers and all the tribes were against them. So he married Ayesha the daughter of abu Bakar to make a friendly relation with that tribe.
Actually, you read about Islam with pre conceived notions so you wont be able to understand.
My Dear Friends, everyone here seems to be a sholar of Islam and criticize Islam for any thing and everything. My friends if there is a blast in market, muslim is blamed..if there is a blast in a Mosque then also muslim is blamed. Ok i respect the so called intelligent intelligence agencies of the country but y dont you people think if a person can bomb a mosque he can hot be a muslim and he does not have knowledge about Islam, he just bears a Muslim name.
RE:Islam
by Harshad Borgaonkar on Aug 31, 2007 09:12 AM Permalink
Noonkaaf, you are right. If a person can bomb a mosque he can hot be a muslim and he does not have knowledge about Islam, he just bears a Muslim name. Thats because you idiots produce 100 childrens each and deprive them of basic amenities. What else are they supposed to do in absence of education, food and basic facilities ?
RE:Islam
by Vijay Shankar on Aug 31, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
We must agree your views, but you people must help us control the freaks before they kill your father mother or daughter.. you must realise he is as much of an enemy to you as far anybody..isn't it.
RE:RE:RE:Islam
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
Islam says so many other things also. Infact I am wasting my time trying to convince you about Islam but people have so much hatred that nothing can be done.
RE:Islam
by abbas ali on Aug 31, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
hi noonkaf,I thnk you are missing the point-the fact the blasts are due to terrorists and they happen to be misguided islamic youth.You are unable to accept it just I was.But it is the truth.You need to accept the truth.Whole world is pointing fingers at islam it is not just here.Something is definitely wrong.We need self reflection and not denial.You are in denial state.
RE:Islam
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
The world need more Abbas ali s than Noonkaafs. But I doubt dear Abbas, ths likes of you are less than 5 % in Islam. U guys have a very big task infornt of u I sincerly wish that people like u can come out and try to revive the muslim community.
RE:Islam
by on Aug 31, 2007 08:16 AM Permalink
you mean to say you agree about 72 Virgins?
ya, i know it says so many things..
XLVIII/20-21: "Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture, and hath given you this in advance, and hath withheld men's hands from you, that it may be a token for the believers, and that He may guide you on a right path. And other (gain), which ye have not been able to achieve, Allah will compass it. Allah is able to do all things."
Allah is bribing the believers to make wars with the Kafirs. He promises them a lot of booty which they will gain from these wars. He has also said that He will magically stop the kafirs from striking back and He will guide the believers on the right path (the path of killing, plundering, looting and raping).
1) comparing with the world wide terrorist attack against , this is very less or nothing.
2) They think muslims not followign their original religion rules (like jihad full time and work part time, spread hatred against nonmuslims, have beard with 5 time namaz, and all nonsense).
So, they just tried to show that they would be punished if they continue like this?
3) Everybody want to control the society with unstructed and illegal law SHARIAT as shariat gives full permission for mullas and nobody questions his credibility.
Islam finally created so many sections, groups of terrorist under different banner.
RE:Islam
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
1) World wide means Iraq, Palestine , lebanon, chechnya or afghan? 2) A sadhu can have beard, a rabbi can have , a father can have , y not a muslim ? Hatred against non-muslims , who says that is a prt of islam ? Done say anything that is just a cultivation of ur dirty and prejudiced mind. 3)what u know of shariat ? Can I know please ?
RE:RE:RE:Islam
by on Aug 31, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
for you world means these muslim countries destroying themselves...world includes USA,UK,Russia,India.. have you heard of these names? hehehe
the ultimate solution for peace is:
\"Ban Islam everywhere\"
And meantime, i was a professor in shariat, dont remind me that idiotic rule...I am sick islam and advicing all my family and friends not to follow that.
RE:Islam
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
i doubt whether you have a little sense or not ? whats is happening in those countries u know well.
Professor in shariat ? ha ha ha ha. Please teach me something. BTW can I know which University ?
RE:Islam
by Rashmi on Aug 31, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
"if a person can bomb a mosque he can hot be a muslim and he does not have knowledge about Islam" Otherwise also, if he has "knowledge" he shudnt be blasting bomb and killing ppl. I mean to say if the cops are suspecting a guy it cud be becoz he(who happens to be a muslim) is responsible for the blasts.He is not being suspected becoz he is a muslim.
RE:RE:Islam
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 07:24 AM Permalink
Yes thats right but have you ever noticed that police come up with the names of the suspects even before the blood stains are cleared from the blast site and one more interesting thing is that whethere there is blast in mosque or market, the purpose is Jihad ( what police says) but being a muslim i know Jihad is not bombing mosq or killing innocent people. How come Police is so intelligent? when RSS/BJP activists so something than religion is not blamed, why ?
RE:Islam
by Rajeev Shetty on Aug 31, 2007 09:28 AM Permalink
Hey noonkaf(have guts to tell your name-you fear)the fact u need to think is how often bajrang dal or RSS resorts to this and how often islamic militancy does it.When did rss actually ever ever resort to bomb blasts ?/?????Does anyone need anysense to realise this?Or just think what if RSS really does it-it would not be like this.You never want to accept mistakes even it is murder by muslim.If u are educated-you should realise one thing -it did not teach you sense.People in this forum are not critcising your religion-they are asking u to wake up and see and correct your mistake.You know what- to do that it takes a big heart.If you still think that blasts are done by nonmuslims-Its a shame for those values of secularism.
RE:Islam
by Rajeev Shetty on Aug 31, 2007 09:28 AM Permalink
Hey noonkaf(have guts to tell your name-you fear)the fact u need to think is how often bajrang dal or RSS resorts to this and how often islamic militancy does it.When did rss actually ever ever resort to bomb blasts ?/?????Does anyone need anysense to realise this?Or just think what if RSS really does it-it would not be like this.You never want to accept mistakes even it is murder by muslim.If u are educated-you should realise one thing -it did not teach you sense.People in this forum are not critcising your religion-they are asking u to wake up and see and correct your mistake.You know what- to do that it takes a big heart.If you still think that blasts are done by nonmuslims-Its a shame for those values of secularism.
RE:Question to my Muslim Brother
by noonkaaf on Aug 31, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
First of all you have not read quran otherwise you would not have said all you have written above. 1) If you are aware of history..please read what used to happen in saudi before Islam and how Islam changed it. Read about the Caliphate and how they used to rule. If you are not insane you will get answers.
2) I would like to know the scientific errors you have mentioned. Quran has so many scientific facts and all have been proved correct. Read Quran again with an open mind.
