For our growing economy consequently for our energy needs, this deal is crucial. Those who oppose this, guys, bin your political correctness and WAKE UP!!!!! shiva pratap,Kent,UK.
Here is more information on the thorium cycle. http://www.cavendishscience.org/bks/nuc/thrupdat.htm
What we are lacking are safety measures for thorium reactor processing.
1) The INDO-US nuclear deal will allow scientists in both countries to interact and progress research on thorium reactors also.
2) Once Thorium reactors become operational we can export technology Thorium to US and Europe and get Foreign Exchange.
3) Till the time that thorium reactor takes off we use Uranium till then.
So either way we have a win-win situation.
People like Medha who only know how to sleep 23 hours a day and pretend to starve will not allow this. I have never seen Medha doing an hours worth of work. (Work-shy anti-nationals) Same goes with other people who authored this silly article. They are a burden on our society.
RE:RE:Why we need to go for the deal.
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 06:01 AM Permalink
Most of the pro-capitalist, so called anti-pseudo secularist, saviour of india(India of the rich, affluent, upper middleclass urbanites who only knows to slang the communist as commies) are mostly boring. If they are so correct why do they fear open debate with real facts(not imaginative or purposefully created ones) with anti deal group ? I am nt against the deal but I am ready to hear who speaks logically. If communist become traitor for their so called proximity to China then why nt cong, bjp for their so called proximity to us ? There are good and bad things to learn from each country, be it china or us. Even the pro deal group has some points bt cant they speak w/o targetting groups. They seems to be less bothered abt the main issue that communist have raised i.e the deal and its meaning. They are more bothered abt communist bashing. We lose our temper when we feel we have nothing substansive to talk. At least they should learn it from USA, the country which debated the deal openly for and year. Why do we need to rush so much to sign it blindly ? Whom do we want to please ? Ask a Mexican, Brazilian who followed US dictate, they will advise you to stop. USA is nt bad but we cant say YES to everything it says.
RE:Why we need to go for the deal.
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 07:35 AM Permalink
Q: Is there a large NRI presence in the USA which can influence US policies favourably towards India A: Yes
Q: Is there a large NRI presence in china which can influence chinese policies favourably towards India A: No. Indian in china are very few and live in fear.
Q: Can there technology XFR between USA and India which can be beneficial to both A: Yes
Q: Can there technology XFR between china and India which can be beneficial to both A: No. chinese are always wanting to steal from us and give us nothing in return.
RE:Why we need to go for the deal.
by shiva pratap on Aug 24, 2007 01:22 AM Permalink
For our growing economy consequently for our energy needs, this deal is crucial. Those who oppose this, guys, bin your political correctness and WAKE UP!!!!! shiva pratap,Kent,UK.
IS THIS THE SAME MEDHA PATKAR WHO LIED IN COURT SOME YEARS BACK THAT SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE FOREIGN FUNDING ONLY TO SHEEPISHLY CONFESS IN FRONT OF COURT THIS YEAR THAT SHE HAS FORGOTTEN TO MENTION OF THE FUNDS EARLIER...HOW CONVENIENT.
RE:Medha and her desire to stop all major INFRASTRUCTURE projects in India
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 06:02 AM Permalink
Most of the pro-capitalist, so called anti-pseudo secularist, saviour of india(India of the rich, affluent, upper middleclass urbanites who only knows to slang the communist as commies) are mostly boring. If they are so correct why do they fear open debate with real facts(not imaginative or purposefully created ones) with anti deal group ? I am nt against the deal but I am ready to hear who speaks logically. If communist become traitor for their so called proximity to China then why nt cong, bjp for their so called proximity to us ? There are good and bad things to learn from each country, be it china or us. Even the pro deal group has some points bt cant they speak w/o targetting groups. They seems to be less bothered abt the main issue that communist have raised i.e the deal and its meaning. They are more bothered abt communist bashing. We lose our temper when we feel we have nothing substansive to talk. At least they should learn it from USA, the country which debated the deal openly for and year. Why do we need to rush so much to sign it blindly ? Whom do we want to please ? Ask a Mexican, Brazilian who followed US dictate, they will advise you to stop. USA is nt bad but we cant say YES to everything it says.
A couple of points for those who criticize this article: 1. The most critical point raised by Medha et al. is that the US Congress debated this deal for an year and a half while in India there has been very little debate in the Parliament and public. And Medha is right. She is asking for an open debate in this so-called democracy; and you guys cannot tolerate that. 2. You cannot say, "we will sacrifice sovereignty because then the USA will make us rich and powerful" and then still call yourselves a patriot. What kind of a patriot sacrifices sovereignty? 3. Medha and other Leftists DO know more about alternative energy sources than all of you guys put together. Let me just cite one fact - 9% of Tamil Nadu's electricity comes from wind energy and it is growing. 4.About global warming - contrary to popular thinking, energy production is not the leading cause for warming gases. Transportation(cars mainly) IS the leading cause for warming gases. Thus going nuclear does not suddenly make us cause less global warming (unless we have nuclear cars). 5. Quit the fantasy that the USA is somehow trying to balance China by making India powerful. India does not have THAT special a place in American foreign policy. 6. Medha DOES lead a just cause and she IS a people's representative - it is just that you guys do not consider the poor adivasis she works with as people. 7.One guy writes about standing in line for a telephone - what has that got to do with a nuclear deal?
RE:Where is the debate?
by mr on Aug 24, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
I am one of the few guy who know little bit of electronic & electric stuffs among those people who thinks even ear phone plug has some electronics inside it. I am not telling I am superior, but tell the facts about some commenting about Solar & Wind Mills & their generation. Solar is good for display signs in roads & for some traffic lights in remote areas. Wind mills to get 100 MW, we have to put how many acres & depend on seasons like farmers for wind & we cannot put all the places.
Most of the Tamil Nadu high wind places were already occupied for your information.
RE:Where is the debate?
by Ary Doriz on Aug 24, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
hmmmmm.......Tamil Nadu is not governed by leftists. Talk about West Bengal and how much wind energy they use.
RE:Where is the debate?
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
all the commies energy goes wasted in barking. hw will they have energy for economy...
RE:Where is the debate?
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
So this debate is not anymore about the nuclear deal - the truth is that if a leftist such as Medha says anything, most commenters take the opposing view - not because they know anything about the subject; the leftist likely knows more. Please remember that Kerala, a state governed for the last 50 years by leftist policies is the LEADING state in India in all social indicators - highest literacy; least infant mortality;and more.
RE:Where is the debate?
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
and highest bandhs and strikes. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Reason y maximum number of keralites go to middle east for jobs
RE:Where is the debate?
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
Batman, I think you are missing the point - we do not exist for the sake of industry. If a state enjoys good labor protection, good, free health care, free education for all, taxes industry heavily, then that state is much more LIVABLE. If you look at the top livable countries in the world, such as Sweden, Norway or Canada - they ALL implement the above policies. The goal is for humans to live happily - not for some vague economic growth numbers. Amartya Sen calls this unaimed opulence.
RE:Where is the debate?
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
hw can humans live happily in poverty. without da economy hw will u generate money to buy food. I would like to follow ur policy of no work and sleep lazily all day on one condition that frm today onwards u ll share half of ur salary with me.. will u do dat????? Show me u r a true commie n share ur salary wimme... All those countries u mentioned above have industries and are hard workin poeple unlike u whose only expertise is nt to work and nt to let others work through ur bandhs n strikes...
RE:Where is the debate?
by Ramiah Ariya on Aug 24, 2007 03:09 AM Permalink
Batman, But you DO pay taxes don't you? You pay higher taxes in the western countries than in India by the way. Hence you DO share your pay with others - you just have not thought about it. Taxing industries heavily does go against the owners' benefit - but industries DO still flourish. The countries I mentioned DO flourish - so you are obviously wrong there. A similar debate happened for enforcing minimum wage requirements - 50 years back, in the USA. Everybody said industry will die. Instead they have floursihed in the USA. Read up a little bit.
RE:RE:Where is the debate?
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 02:41 AM Permalink
if u tax industries heavily thn there won be any industry, thn where will u get money for free health care, free education for all. U r one of those dumb commies Headless Chicken. Ur words are beyond stupidity u moron..
RE:Where is the debate?
by mr on Aug 24, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
Kerala is not sole leftist. It is an alternating Govt. Commmunist, congress, communist, congress. It didn't like left to govern a single leader for 30 yrs like fidal castro.
RE:LIST OF TRAITORS
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 06:11 AM Permalink
Most of the pro-capitalist, so called anti-pseudo secularist, saviour of india(India of the rich, affluent, upper middleclass urbanites who only knows to slang the communist as commies) are mostly boring. If they are so correct why do they fear open debate with real facts(not imaginative or purposefully created ones) with anti deal group ? I am nt against the deal but I am ready to hear who speaks logically. If communist become traitor for their so called proximity to China then why nt cong, bjp for their so called proximity to us ? There are good and bad things to learn from each country, be it china or us. Even the pro deal group has some points bt cant they speak w/o targetting groups. They seems to be less bothered abt the main issue that communist have raised i.e the deal and its meaning. They are more bothered abt communist bashing. We lose our temper when we feel we have nothing substansive to talk. At least they should learn it from USA, the country which debated the deal openly for and year. Why do we need to rush so much to sign it blindly ? Whom do we want to please ? Ask a Mexican, Brazilian who followed US dictate, they will advise you to stop. USA is nt bad but we cant say YES to everything it says. LEFTISTS ARE READY TO TOLERATE CAPITALIST, AT LEAST THEY ARE SHOWING DEMOCRATIC VALUE. WHAT ABT SO CALLED ANTI LEFT WHO ARE BARKING AS SOON AS ANY ONE SPEAKS WITH LOGIC, THEY WANT LEFT TO REMAIN SILENT,NOT SPEAK FOR CERTAIN SECTION OF SOCIETY WHICH THEY DONT BELONG.
RE:INDIAN MARXISTS AND THEIR EVIL DESIGNS
by Hiten Patel on Aug 24, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
excerpts from this article:
Following the footsteps of Marx, the Indian communists have deep hatred of anything Indian and are opponents of any kind of pride in Indian heritage. The communists also hold that India is not one nation but a 'collection of nationalities'.
Another major tenet of Indian Marxist's orthodoxy is that for national reconstruction you have to first destroy the existing nation.
The communists have had many ideological splits. Communists in India are splintered into several groupings like the CPI' CPM' CPI (M-L), Maoists and the People's War Group. But despite several 'historical blunders' that they keep committing with regularity, they have all remained steadfast to the twin agenda of weakening and destroying the existing Indian nation and obliterate the 'bourgeois%u2019 notion of pride in India's past.
RE:INDIAN MARXISTS AND THEIR EVIL DESIGNS
by Ind Prince on Aug 24, 2007 01:20 AM Permalink
ain't these the same Indian leftist S C U M parties that openly sided with China during the 1962 Indo-China war?
THE BIGGEST MYSTERY IS HOW TO-DATE NO CHARGES OF TREASON HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AGAINST THE LEFTIST PARTIES OF INDIA?
RE:INDIAN MARXISTS AND THEIR EVIL DESIGNS
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 06:12 AM Permalink
Most of the pro-capitalist, so called anti-pseudo secularist, saviour of india(India of the rich, affluent, upper middleclass urbanites who only knows to slang the communist as commies) are mostly boring. If they are so correct why do they fear open debate with real facts(not imaginative or purposefully created ones) with anti deal group ? I am nt against the deal but I am ready to hear who speaks logically. If communist become traitor for their so called proximity to China then why nt cong, bjp for their so called proximity to us ? There are good and bad things to learn from each country, be it china or us. Even the pro deal group has some points bt cant they speak w/o targetting groups. They seems to be less bothered abt the main issue that communist have raised i.e the deal and its meaning. They are more bothered abt communist bashing. We lose our temper when we feel we have nothing substansive to talk. At least they should learn it from USA, the country which debated the deal openly for and year. Why do we need to rush so much to sign it blindly ? Whom do we want to please ? Ask a Mexican, Brazilian who followed US dictate, they will advise you to stop. USA is nt bad but we cant say YES to everything it says. LEFTISTS ARE READY TO TOLERATE CAPITALIST, AT LEAST THEY ARE SHOWING DEMOCRATIC VALUE. WHAT ABT SO CALLED ANTI LEFT WHO ARE BARKING AS SOON AS ANY ONE SPEAKS WITH LOGIC, THEY WANT LEFT TO REMAIN SILENT,NOT SPEAK FOR CERTAIN SECTION OF SOCIETY WHICH THEY DONT BELONG.
RE:RE:INDIAN MARXISTS AND THEIR EVIL DESIGNS
by Niharika Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
Is nt the same Cong which divided the country on communal line ? Isnt the same Cong whos PM Neheru didnt bother to hear the words of father of nation during the time he saw the chair of PM ?
Isnt the same Neheru who was having dubious relationship with lady mounbaton. British used this weakness of a spineless leader.
Isnt the same Cong which brought emergency to India? Isnt the same Cong leader Indira who ventured golden temple and on who deaths thousands of innocent sikhs get murdered.
Isnt the same Rajiv who creates insurgents groups in NE states and funds the LTTE at one point. Same weapons supplied to LTTE was used against the India peacekeeping force.
Isnt the same Sonia who tooks years to accept her Indian ?
Isnt the same BJP which unnecessarily engaged India into nuclear explosion ?
Isnt the same BJP for who hundreds of Indians solders died in kargil ? They lose Indian land for their stupidity(intelligence failures) and reoccupy the land later losing valuable human lives.
Isnt the same BJP which demolish babri masjid and creates riots ? Isnt the same BJP which kills the minority in Gujrat in the same style as Hitlar once killed jews ?
Isnt the same RSS, VHP leaders, the sadhus who are found taking bribe on national TV channels ?
One of the point made here is 'alternate source of energy' can be use instead of conventional energy. I HAVE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE on alternative energy. In my village there is electricity from wind power. Govt does not give this free; however, when we connect our fridge the TV goes off! when we connect 2 fans then Fridge goes off! This is only good for running transistors. What this people like arundhati roy telling us (=poor people in the village) is to be satisfied with this. WHY?why? why? why? dont we need electricity like city where we can run as many light bulb as possible? Why? because indian people dont deserve it? All the alternative energy is NOT GOING TO HELP US IN NATION BUILDING! we need real energy and THE ONLY WAY IS CONVENTIONAL ENERGY! If these authors are so pissed off with conventional energy, I welcome all of them to my house and request to spend one week in the hot summer! Anyone dare to take this challenge? Do you know why they would not even bother?Because these people are only good at giving "fundas"....
RE:READERS! WHAT YOU THINK
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:08 AM Permalink
Its an open secret that the Communist Party Of India has an Alliance with the Communists frm China. The Commies in India get direct orders frm the chinese embassy in delhi whch has been proved by the intelligence bureau and RAW. The current opposition is a direct responce of the opposition of the chinese to this deal. It has been well documneted that the commies in India owe their loyalty to their chinese masters. The IB has credible evidence of the orders issued by the chinese to the Lefts in India to not to let this deal pass by at any cost.
Another issue of relevance is if you build uranium based power plants then you will have to be dependent upon uranium imports, which will be quite a costly affair. And if you develop indigenous program of thorium based power plants then you will have more autonomy as India has rich natural reserves of thorium which can last 1000s of years. That way we probably do not need this N-deal.
RE:Thorium
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
its nt just a matter of funds its also a matter of time. today indian industry is suffering due to huge power cuts. we cant afford to loose time. if our economy stops where will the money to fund thorium research come from. Take this deal n put thorium research on da fast track
RE:Thorium
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 24, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
Thorium processing has its positives and drawbacks: http://www.power-technology.com/features/feature1141/
But BARC's FTBR is claimed to be the first design that truly exploits the concept of 'breeding' in a reactor that uses thorium. The handful of fast breeder reactors (FBRs) in the world today - including the one India is building in Kalpakkam near Chennai - use plutonium as fuel.
These breeders have to wait until enough plutonium is accumulated through reprocessing of spent fuel discharged by thermal power reactors that run on uranium.
Herein lies the rub.
India does not have sufficient uranium to build enough thermal reactors to produce the plutonium needed for more FBRs of the Kalpakkam type. The India-US civilian nuclear deal was expected to enable India import uranium and reprocess spent fuel to recover plutonium for its FBRs. But this deal has hit a roadblock due to opposition by the left.
Iyengar has one suggestion that he says must be acceptable to the US if it is serious about helping India to solve its energy problem. The US and Russia have piles of plutonium from dismantled nuclear weapons,' Iyengar told IANS, adding: 'They should allow us to borrow this plutonium needed to start our breeders. We can return the material after we breed enough to work our thorium breeder reactors
RE:Thorium
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
Yes u r right we have no option left but to buy uranium frm NSg. its nt bcoz we are fools n we have too much money to spend bt bcoz we just dont have uranium resources. tarapur reactor has just 2 more years of fuel left. Abt thorium we still dont have the tech to star producing power using thorium on a large scale. we shuld take this deal so our immediate requirements are served and speed up thorium research so that as soon as we have thorium technology we just stop using uranium technology... Bt for our scientists to work they too need electricity they wont be able to work under the candles and our economy needs power whch will provide money for research as well...
RE:Thorium
by amitabh kumar on Aug 24, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
That too is not a bad idea. If you start with few Uranium based plant while speeding up the research on Thorium then we can within a shorter period of time achieve energy autonomy. Besides instead of importing Uranium based technology we can import Thorium technology as well, I am not sure if any country has developed Thorium based technology.
RE:Thorium
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:25 AM Permalink
good u understood. ur doubts must be clear. now do u support the deal??? Support this deal for our better future. dont think we ll be in the pawns of the US. we are too strong to be intimidated by neone. Not even the US can do ne harm to us. Use this deal to the max n thn dump it whn we dont need it. nuthn will happen. remember in world politics the powerful have the right to break the rules
RE:Thorium
by amitabh kumar on Aug 24, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
I will see the whole issue from 3 angles 1. freedom for dependence on OIL and hence the Islamic countries and 2. Energy autonomy and 3. Nuclear deterrence. From all of these angles the deal is not bad. After all if we find Uranium to be expensive we will not buy it. The deal only gives us the sanction to purchase Uranium from NSG countries. How we are going to use it is entirely upon us. Besides we always have the right to maintain an infrastructure for a nuclear deterrence.
RE:Thorium
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
right absolutely right. couldnt hae explained it better. i have copied ur words and will use it on other forums to highlight the benefits of the deal if u dont mind...
RE:Thorium
by mr on Aug 24, 2007 01:05 AM Permalink
This article is wrongly projecting environment impacts of this clean nuclear burning fuel whether thorium or uranium. So, you have to reply to them too.
RE:Thorium
by mr on Aug 24, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
For successful operation, uranium is needed. Our existing operation of uranium plants are facing shortages. Do you think our PM & the politicians doesn't know the concern of India.
We have to depend on some country in this globalized world. What if US tells no software agreement w/ India & Indians go back to India, where we will get money & Where we go to 1990 & fighting for rice & get the aid from the Norway, Sweden, Ireland, Demark etc. Wheat from US, Britan, Burma, Singapore. US Aid oil from United States. Where do we buy money for Gas.
RE:We have to depend on some country in this globalized world.
by mr on Aug 24, 2007 01:10 AM Permalink
Compare 1990 & 2007. you know the meaning what I am talking. Take it as interdependence, if I mis-spelled.
RE:We have to depend on some country in this globalized world.
by amitabh kumar on Aug 24, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
Interdependence is OK, but noone invites dependence, it is accepted only when there is no choice. If you have a choice for more autonomy then why seek help.
RE:We have to depend on some country in this globalized world.
by Batman on Aug 24, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
wot choice do u have. keep on researchin till our industry comes to a grinding halt. if u wantd to make TV would u go back 100 years and research all over again or would you buy the TV tech thats alreday there and learn the tech and create plasma instead... learn wot is already there n create new thngs
