I really do not understand whatz the fuss about testing ,??? Why we need to test, testing nuclear programme should be very last on our mind. First think of the benfits of the deal... the amount of power it can generate is unimaginable, there will never be any power cuts and maximum parts of India can be covered by electricity,this will lead better quality of life , also power will be cheaper, and cheap power will help us to grow faster, this will lead to prosperity, and once we are prosperous then we can think of testing and all .. and once we are propserous we would definetly be on our way to becoming super power, then even America also cannot do anything.
And remember one major point America has come to us , with one eye on threat posed to it by China , so it is not that by signing the deal we will lose our identity, It will be win win situation for both countries. I sincerely hope the deal goes through and it is major success
RE:Win Win situation for both India & America
by Nightviper on Aug 18, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
Rightly said....and by the way who's going to test nuclear weapons daily?
RE:Win Win situation for both India & America
by vijender singh on Aug 18, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Rightly said Rajesh, Last week I was in my village and there was no light for 2 days people were so frustrated with the situation and the government says they don't have the enough capacity.
I think this deal is must for prosperity of the people of this country and we all must make sure that the deal is through, come what may...
I think these leftists just don't want India to progress and BJP has gone mad since they lost power deservedly...
RE:Win Win situation for both India & America
by Pritmohinder Singh on Aug 18, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Very rightly said. Left is playing politics & so is BJP. The amount of benefit we will have from this treaty is much much higher than keeping our option open for nuclear test. With lot of simulation processes available theris infact no need for any physical neclear testing
The Indo-US nuclear deal will help us overcome the energy shortage which is a big obstacle to our quest of being a developed country by 2020.This deal will also help us to get reactors from russia and france and they will not take it back even if we test in the future. So the opposition should support our visionary prime minister rather than going at his throat.
RE:Nuclear deal
by Anil Kumar on Aug 18, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
yes, opposition must strongly support to prime minister.plz don't play politics behind it.
In the real NEW world, America need India and India need America....
Though I don't like Americans. There is nothing wrong to get the technology and screw them back like they have done to Germans in 1940-70's.
America is bank crupt. So, they need ASIAN money to buy their bread and butter by selling Nuke or whatsoever technology....
In a multi-polar world, America has very few friends...countless enemies....It is neccessary and in the best interest of Americans to work with Indians to be friends...
Having said that...If they try to screw India..even God will not bless AMERICANS.....
USE AMERICA AND AMERICANS...Give them their own bitter medicine....
The lefts in Bengal made millions poor!! Thats their big achinevement to date.....
Atleast economic policies of Manmohan made millions of Indians to eat three meals a day..
RE:LET US BE CLEAR......
by Sankar Mitra on Aug 18, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
I agree with you 100%. The way Narsimha Rao and Manmohon Singh handled the severemost economic crisis of india and put India in the path of progress is extremely rare example. Because of their deft handling of the crisis and simultaneous initiation of reforms, since 1991, we are building a magnificent superstructure on the solid foundation laid by the founding fathers of the country. India should always remember these two brilliant persons. Regards Mitra
Whatever benefits we may get from the deal....one thing is clear, once the deal starts, we may become so dependant on that , even if we want to conduct a test , we may not be able to take that risk of USA reaction to it.
Even a layman like me can visualize that, then why is out PM so reluctant on signing the deal...
hats off to Manmohan, even taken statements on his life for this deal..
India is in a die hard situation today as far as electricity production in our country is concern.
Thermal energy cannot be utilised since quality of coal what we get here is difficult. grade III, Dams are option but public dealings & land aquasition is no less problems , try all sources it'll be difficult & burdensome not on good cost benifits
while nuclear energy is best & relatively cheap energy once is production is started, that is capital cost may be high initially but power is cheap., we all know POWER CRISIS in India today, one of the major hurdle in making India super power,
also don't forget our other nuclear reactors, TAPS,RAPS,KAPS NAPS...ALL Require nuclear fuel to run called URANIUM , even though we sorted option through THORIUM.. it could be limited..
RE:RE:Its dangerous !!
by Ajay P on Aug 18, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
well, your definition of Patritism is debatable. I don;t think that US is trust worthy, see what has hapenned to IRAQ, we cannot sigh any accord with US where we become too dependant upon them one day that for even eating food , we may have to get a permission.
Moerover, India is anyway a big threat to US as far as this part of the Globe is concerned. US can just not digest a compititor growing....
Since, US has not been able to convince India in signing NTPT, it has changed its policy towards India and has brought this deal to tempt India indirectly.
Such big decisions are not taken thinking that the man doing it is a Patriot, lets not be so emotional as far as decisions regarding the whole country is concerned.
RE:Its dangerous !!
by Seshadri on Aug 18, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
America is indeed a super power, but India is fast on its track to become an economic power and a future super power if:
1. Dirty and caste based politics is shown the door 2. Only the meritorious to be recognised 3. Aim at become knowledgable rather than becoming and english literate
The deal is going to provide us energy, no doubts about the potential progress which awaits us... but the big question is whether there are any traps lying in wait for us...
India cannot be ostracized because of its refusal to sign the N-deal... our concern should be to unravel the strings attached and to make them public...
If it does and the public assent, then it is the deal of the century for India... but first things first, let us all know what the full pros and cons are...
when these left and BJP are fighting for their short sighted petty political gains PM is the one who is fighting for this deal with the thinking of India's future energy supply .
RE:RE:Its dangerous !!
by Sathish N on Aug 18, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
If Manmohan is patriotic why is not taking any steps to end corruption, which is the biggest evil facing this country. More than 90% of the project cost is pilfered. I don't the so-called-great-men not doing anything in that front.
RE:Its dangerous !!
by Raibatak Chakraborty on Aug 18, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
We have done nuclear tests on earlier occassions also when we were not economically as stable as we are now. Americans were the first to impose sanctions on us, but see after few years they are eager to sign the N-Deal with us.
If we become more stable after using the N-Deal and then conduct tests (if necessity arises) no body can do us anything.
RE:Its dangerous !!
by Sankar Mitra on Aug 18, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
Dear Sir, It seems you under the impression that we can cnduct tests now. Because of the tests carried out in 1998, sanctions were imposed on us and we are suffering because of that. If the deal is signed, all sanctions will go. But in future, if we conduct tests, we may get back to present day's scenario. So is it not better to ecxtract as much as possible till we conduct another test. Between two Pokhran tests, gap was 24 years. Even if we conduct a test after 10 years, that gives us hell of a time to generate sufficient power and save a lot of money by not buying oil and gas for power generation and that also will enhance our Forex kitty. The danger lies somewhere else. Why do you think America wants to help us with this treaty? They need friends and to put it crudely, they want us to carry on with the Anglo-Saxon legacy in this part of the world. That means containment of China and Iran. On one side they have already got Israel. So India will be another. Japan and Korea are also there. This is where the leftists have problem as they do not understand that in politics only thing that is permanent is self interest. If our interest is served by this agreement, we should go for it. For the leftists, unfortunately, only thing that is permanent is anti Americanism and that is immaturity. Once an Arab told me,"do'nt be an enemy of US and do'nt be a friend of US'. But Indians today are well equipped to take care of themselves. Regards Mitra
RE:UPA's failure bring BJP again, mudsling, killing, brutality, corruption...
by Kishor Pawar on Aug 18, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
these JOKERS may NOT have that VISION to see what this deal can do to INDIA..
RE:UPA's failure bring BJP again, mudsling, killing, brutality, corruption...
by sanjeev shrivastava on Aug 18, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
Advani is an idiot. Ask a starving farmer or the common man in a village ,what agreement 123 is.Chances are they will tell you that it has got something to do with shridevi dancing
RE:UPA's failure bring BJP again, mudsling, killing, brutality, corruption...
by Ajay P on Aug 18, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
Madhuri man and not Sridevi...
RE:UPA's failure bring BJP again, mudsling, killing, brutality, corruption...
by RAJMOHAN NAIR on Aug 18, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Sahadevan, everytime you abuse BJP. Why not this time?
RE:UPA's failure bring BJP again, mudsling, killing, brutality, corruption...
by Ajay P on Aug 18, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
What do u want KK, Should we go back to slavery in the hands of Britisheres or wat....what u want....
RE:some facts are concealed
by Vaman Mudgal on Aug 18, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
Just recently France made a 180 u turn regarding the fighter jet spares. when we have spent billions in the infrastructure, and generating 30 percent of our electricity, a stand off will make us weak. already when the lights go off in delhi there is high cry. people only want their present taken care. considering our human nature, I can see the govt. lack of foresightedness alarming.
I would not say that the sardar has sold India to the west. but it could very well have.
