After spending sleepless nights over the arrest of terror suspect haneef, let us see how UPA govt deals with this.First signs have already come.They may start denying such a kidnap,even if it may be actually there.Please note that some months back a man called subramanyam has been killed after kidnapping and govt seldom did anything for his release.Govt of india should consider every citizens life as invaluable .Lets get that into our own mind and make politicians understand.Also some organization or somebody shoud start one to help those indians whom Indian govt neglects, so that the killed/kidnapped indian's family gets some sort of monetary benifits.The best way is to contact the MP sitting in parliament from that contituancy and ask him for help.If he dont next time he comes for voting in election tell him in his face"NO VOTE FOR YOU" Jai Hind
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by Sunil on Aug 04, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Are you kidding? Why would they run to America to save the life of a Hindu (assuming it is a Hindu person)?? Indian Govt. won't do anything. They will just sit and keep taking bribes and think about how to appease Muslims even more. That's all they are good for.
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 04:49 AM Permalink
We should have tried a commando operation, 95% of the worlds countries didnt recognise the taliban as a government. We might have only been able to save a few hostages, but it would have at least sent a message that we wont tolerate this in the future. If nothinng else we should have let the hostages die if nothing else had worked. You dont release somebody like masood azhar under any reason. Beacause when it is all said and done he might be responsoible for more than 200 lives. I pray not but my prayers dont mean athing here. What we need is action and we just gave in and we sent a message that it is possible to pull this off again. Although I dont think India has anybody close to the devilish mind of Masood Azhar in any of our prisons right now. But a wrong message was sent to our army and our enemy in that sad episode.
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
I may be selfish, but if my family was there I will not be happy for a commando operation if there is a possibility of failure and chance that large casualities will occur.
RE:RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Points one and two I 100%agree with you.I have gone thru the chat with Mr.Gill which says cammando operation was difficult in this situation quote from KPS Gill "Mr K P S Gill (Tue Dec 28 1999 5:40 IST) Veekay, Since international relations and laws are involved, a commando operation is not feasible or possible without the fullest cooperation and clearance from the Taleban regime. However, as far as the physical feasibility of a commando operation is concerned, it could certainly be mounted at Kandahar. However, a repeat of an Entebbe type operation has to be ruled out because of the necessity to overfly Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan, and the enormous geopolitical instability of the South Asian region. Any such attempt would have unforeseen and complex consequences."
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
We dont give the choice to families, thats why we elect the government. If I had a family member then i dont know if I would be saying the same thing, but it is the government that has to make a decision because they are the one who have all the information. For a lot of families Maulana Masood Azhar is just another person but our government and army knows what he can do. Ex- Parliament attack and july 11 directly attributed to masood. We can only learn from a lesson which is.
1/ Speed up the judiciary. Masood was arrested in early 90s why did we take so long. Our judges where busy taking bribes so didnt have the time to think about judgements.
2/ The captain himself requested in amristsar that somebody shoot a tire so the flight wouldnt go from there and we could have mounted an attack in a favorable situation. the government was too late to react.
3/ In Kabul every effort should have been taken to take a commando attack.
But the bottom line is dont release him for any reason. Becasue if you let it happen once it is bound to happen again.
This is what KPS gill was saying about this whole thing on rediff many years ago.
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by Hoodoo Hunter on Aug 04, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
u mean just kike the spineless people running to america for their living?
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
You are partially correct.The situation then was india had no diplomatic relations with the then taliban regime.and govt dont want to risk the life of fellow indians.Your are rt in saying the speeding of judicial process.
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 03:16 AM Permalink
So how is the BJP government not wanting to risk the life of fellow indians be different from what the congress might do if an indian was kidnapped. Both can be termed as spineless. Sometime when you are in power you have to take decisions that are unpopular but are the right thing to do. In kandahars case the right thing to do would have been to pay any money or do anything except release Massood Azhar because every indian strategist knows he is the number one India hater in the world and he has the resources to do a lot of damage. What BJP did was spineless they just didnt want to look like murderers they wanted to be heroes but will convince the families who lost their loved ones in the July 11 th bombins cause by massod azhar. Will vajpayee and advani beg for frgiveness to these families ? and what about the future what else is massod azhar going to do?
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 03:29 AM Permalink
The only other solution was a commando operation and it is possible if and only if that contriy's govt is permitting.Taliban has already stated they wont allow any commando operation.This means if india attacked them there is a good probability that all the passengers would have lost their lives .But now we have 4 or 5 consulates in afganisthan.The situation is totally different.Regarding masood Azhar govt should have killed him in at least in a fake encounter.
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 03:39 AM Permalink
Balamurali, So you release the leader of Jaish- e mohammed the most violent of kashmiri organizations. After Kandahar Jaish has killed scores and scores of Indian soldiers, add the july 11th bombings and the future is a open question? Jaish is our Al-Quaeda vis- a vis america and Masood Azhar i our Osama Bin Laden vis a vis america. I guarantee you masood is cleverer and worse than Osama. Do you think if an american flight was hijacked with 200 passengers George Bush will walk alongside bin laden and return him like advani did with masood. I am trying to talk some sense but you seem to be intensely protecting the BJP. What is going on here?
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
What was the other option according to you if the then taliban regime refuse to accept money and release the plane?
RE:Let us see how UPA govt handels this
by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 02:18 AM Permalink
The BJP wasnt any different going by the spineless way they gave away Masood Azhar in the Kandahar hijacking as exchange for the passengers. Masood Azhar masterminded the July 11th bombings and what not in the future. India should never give in to future terorist demands and it should speed up the judicial process, why was he kept in prison for so long. He should have been sntenced to death long ago.
Now a days religion is used for political gains, not for worshiping God. There is a need for violent side in every religion to make religion people / country people safe.
well the taliban is going to demand the following demands: 1)withdraw indian troops from kashmir 2)release afzal guru in kadahar 3)demands crores of rupees for funding their terror activities if the kidnapped person is an muslim, manmohan as usual will get sleepless nights and will fulfill all the above 3 demands by taliban. if the kidnapped person is an hindu, manohan will have happy nights and sweet dreams....poor chap if the kidnapped is an hindu, politicians will say who cares?......that poor chap will be cruelly beheaded by taliban and manmohan will sigh a relief......
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by rakesh KS on Aug 04, 2007 06:07 AM Permalink
if a fellow indian is kidnapped again, this should be the best time to send in our troops in a foreign country to learn and develop the real time skills to fight a war with terrorists in their own territory, any way pakistan has developed and perfected the skills to use terrorists for both financial, political and diplomatic adavantages inlast sixty years. our denfensive attitude will not deter these terrorist and pakistan wish there is a true Neta in India too, like OBAMA here, but Manmohan is a limit, he will occupy that seat for next three years.
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by sunil swain on Aug 04, 2007 12:09 AM Permalink
well said.How manua is sitting only in PM chair and following what sonia will tell.Now one more chala in the name of president is also added.To get muslim votes how could you talk like this.all are equal in hindustan.All should be well seen no qouta nothing.
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by Praveen Togadia on Aug 04, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
manmohan singh can send foreign minister to afgan border to plead with terrorists just like vajpayee did in kandhahar!
if teh abducted engineer is a hindu, will the shameless mms and sonia act fast to rescue as happened in teh case of haneef, who has a proven black mark against him.
hope he not be killed mercilessly as in the case of one more slain engineer, surya narayana some time back...
RE:wat if the abducted..
by Vladimir Stalin on Aug 03, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
He would be shown all the mercy that was shown to Surya Narayana which means he will be tortured to death. In the dictionary of the religion of mercy and peace torture means mercy, murder means peace, all that has negative meaning in the civilized world stands for virtue in the religion of mercy and peace.
its an old Sanskrit saying "Vinash kale te viprit budhi" meaning when bad times are near the mind starts working in the opposite direction. today this saying is applicable on talibanis and also on muslim terrorists all over the world.
RE:end seemz to be near
by Vladimir Stalin on Aug 03, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
I wish your words come true Mr. deleted. But for us commoners it appears the talibanis and other islamist terrorists are only practising what has been taught in their koran and the sunnah i.e., to kill the non-muslims wherever you find them. Even while practising worst forms of barbarism and savagery they claim their religion is one of mercy and peace. I am sure soon enough the islamic mercy and peace would be shown to the remaining south korean hostages and this indian who has fallen into their hands.
RE:end seemz to be near
by saket shankar on Aug 04, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
Can someone tell me why all terrorism is by Islam. Holy mother of god everywhere terrorism, Islam involved
RE:end seemz to be near
by alert on Aug 04, 2007 04:51 AM Permalink
Very simple. Read the koran ...everything is given... why women should be stoned... ..raped...why non-muslims should be beheaded and killed... why temples should be destroyed and looted and copnverted to mosques... why budha statues should be destroyed... If such things are done what benefits they will get later from allah...everything is explained.. The terrorists are doing exactly as said in quran..
RE:take it from me
by roopesh raghavan on Aug 03, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
Our PM was shocked and spend sleepless night when they came to know about the feelings of the family whose memberes planned a bomb bast in Londan.. Now what about this poor man who was there to earn livly hood for their family.
RE:take it from me
by on Aug 03, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
India is a secular country and we should take pride in that....and I do believe that the government of India does take care of its citizens regardless of religion....I totally disagree with your rant above
RE:take it from me
by Vladimir Stalin on Aug 03, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
You nameless islamic terrorist, the secular (pro-islamic, anti-Hindu) indian government will do nothing in the case of the engineer who in all probability is a non-muslim. The government will let the savage talibanis to show islamic mercy and peace to him. You will soon find his body cut into pieces (the islamic way) and thrown around. You can then secretly celebrate this barbaric act of your religious brothers.
RE:take it from me
by Vladimir Stalin on Aug 03, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
by Vladimir Stalin on Aug 03, 2007 06:43 PM I wish your words come true Mr. deleted. But for us commoners it appears the talibanis and other islamist terrorists are only practising what has been taught in their koran and the sunnah i.e., to kill the non-muslims wherever you find them. Even while practising worst forms of barbarism and savagery they claim their religion is one of mercy and peace. I am sure soon enough the islamic mercy and peace would be shown to the remaining south korean hostages and this indian who has fallen into their hands
RE:Afgan
by on Aug 03, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Do you understand what nuclear weapons are? And that they do not discriminate between the innocent and the guilty?..in which case how is that any different from what the Taliban are doing?
RE:Afgan
by Rakesh Narayan on Aug 03, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
Its immature to expect a world without crime. Terrorism is the new form of Organized Crime. Think of it as a big gang thats motivated using religion. We have to face it and not find excuses to get around the problem. Education is the only way out. Without the recruits the threats will eventually dissipate. This kind of terrorism wasnt so global in the 1980s was it? The smart people of the world need to analyze what went wrong and how to correct it. Well they are busy chasing money and the fake honors such as Nobel prize.
