RE:RE:British had used to quote to devide India
by tribhuwan pandey on Apr 23, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
u r right it is bloody devide and loot the nation.
Why govt. is hurrying & wants to push quota for OBC in elite institutions. It seems some politicians' sons are eager to get admission this year in IIMs etc. If delayed they will lose one year or may be become overage. Can some bright journist do investigating jourlism & find out who these candidates are. Govt. was sleeping for 57 yeras & now they are in such a hurry as pointed out by Hon. Court. Matter seems to be fishy.
Reservation to the backward castes is amply justifiable, due to historial reasons. But the persistent refusal of the Government to exclude the creamy layer is not understandable and makes its intention suspicious. Majority of the chief ministers of the country belong to the backward caste. Similarly, many of the prominent political personalities also belong to the backward caste. It is atrocious that these leaders continue with their insistence not to exclude the creamy layer. This shows, their kith and kin would be the beneficiries of the non-exclusion. If good sense had prevailed and if the government had excluded the creamy layer, perhaps, the Supreme Court may not have stayed the Act.
I donot understand why supreme court should come on the way for OBC reservation. All reserved catagories should must support OBC reservation. We must teach a lesson to the high class . With reservation , the high class citizen are scared as BJP & congress of Mayawati
RE:RE:OBC's right for reservation
by Anuj Singhal on Apr 23, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
u mother fuckers...People demanding reservations should be HANGED IN PUBLIC
RE:RE:OBC's right for reservation
by vijay baskar on Apr 23, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
u fool if u want to teach us a lesson come score marks and compete with us.. dont peep in thro a hole like a rat
RE:RE:RE:OBC's right for reservation
by veejay on Apr 23, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
my dear friends, its a democracy here.. which means majority rule.. which means so far there is caste distinction in society, reservations will be there.. work towards eliminating caste discrimination and then u can compete with me..
RE:RE:RE:RE:OBC's right for reservation
by Ram Naik on Apr 23, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
Oddly vijay your solution will only perpetuate your goal of eliminating castes.
Democracy does not mean all benfits to majority and minorities should suffer.
We have had Presidents, Chief Justices from SC/ST (let alone OBCs) and at one stage, we have to abolish it.
RE:OBC's right for reservation
by veejay on Apr 23, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
my solution is not reservations.. it is to work towards eliminating caste disciminations.. just shows how you are so narrow-minded so as to see only one side of the argument.. dumb guy..
RE:RE:RE:OBC's right for reservation
by JA on Apr 23, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
hard work is not their virtue...all they have done till date is begging..
Why doesnt government provides education and facilities to poor, so that they can compete at par with others in competiions for IIMs and IITs rather then a back door entry thru reservation. Reservation will make even the stupid, non hard working to get thru in competetions. CASTE AND RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE A SUBSTITUE FOR HARD WORK AND INTELLIGENCE - in any way or form. When will India start shining?
Hi friends, though all upper cast people are crying because of reservation as a human being first of see the situation of dalits in this country. Still they are not getting there basic needs. Please be broad minded. First of all help to change mentality of upper cast. Go and see how dalits are living in villeges. What type of work they has to do. How upper cast behave with them..I am a bramhin.. I faced reservation problem.. but please be borad minded and help our dalit brothers and sisters. Babasahen Aambedkar ki jai ho. JAY BHIM
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by Indian on Apr 23, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
We, Upper caste people are not against the reservation. The only problem is that it should not be based on caste but rather should be based on economic power.
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by Ray on Apr 23, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
I have no problem in poor people getting the benefit. But it has to be based on economic situation, and not on caste. Lots of rich dalits will get through with the quota, whereas poor 'upper castes' will suffer, if the govt. plan is put into place.
RE:RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by RK SRIVASTAVA on Apr 23, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
in village only dalits are not living, there are other so many castes who are living the life of low standard. moreover sc families have got the ladder of reservation in jobs and they have got the jobs and they and their family are financial sound but what about poor people of other caste. you did't bother about them. they don't have food to eat. morever dalits are themselves responsible for the so called bad condition of their society because when a dalit gets a job and further got promotion he forget his community he used to distance himself from their own community. he don't care for their own community members and wanted that govt. should do. he must not take the benefit of reservation when he comes in creamy laver and allow his other community members to take the benefit of reservation. but this is not happening only certain handfull of sc/dalit community people are getting the benefit of reservation every time and the actual needy person of their community are deprived of the opportunity to get jobs. this is the reason why after indepandet these communities still want reservation. and if this trend goes on i assure my dalit/sc community people that there is not going to change their status if reservation is continued for another 1000 years. they will still reamin like today just because of their own sc/dalit community creamy layer people. govt.should give direct financial support to these community and other poor people of upper class. sorry if my true points hurts you.
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by Savitha Ram on Apr 23, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
If at all the reservation is issued,so you think these dalits in the villages about whom you speak about will get admitted?Poor,they'll still remain the same,and those who have been enjoying these reservation rights since independence will continue doign so.I myself come from a Backward community,but,I find the present reservation totally baseless.....The section of people they say they are conceren about, are not even provided the basic amenities.This governement is trying to befool us, in the name of reservation,please understand,there is no positive motive in it...If they are very much concerned why should they straight away target for reservation in IITs and IIMs,let them first provide these people with proper food,nutrition and the basic educational facilities,then our fellow brothers and sisters will raise up themselves,without a reservation.Most of the Indian community only looks upon the reservation as a "handicap" to the Indian growth.Just think over,this is not a means to avoid Dalits or SC/ST from coming up that we are fighting back,but for the reason that the government is trying to exploit the standard and reputaion of the academia in India,in the name of reservation,please understand,please,this will not do any benefit to the people they say,they are targetting for.Upliftment of Dalit does not come by reservation,it only comes by proper treatment and the availability of basic amenities elsewhere..........
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by Mandar Halbe on Apr 23, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
Hi.. The picture you are trying to project may not be the wrong one. (Myself and I think everybody else in India knows very well what it actually is)..
But how can anyone claim that reservations are doing any good to those underprivileged people if they haven%u2019t done in last 60(or for that matter 57) years??
You think nobody in India is aware (including those who make these laws) of the people who get the benefit of these reservation??
And is there anything in today%u2019s India, that may prevent the so called unfortunate people from their growth?? Why not give everybody a fair chance??
We have many examples like Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar and Dr. Narendra Jadhav who reached have the top despite all the difficulties and without the help of reservation..
The honorable supreme court has done what was needed to be done long back.. The decision is right and should be supported by all communities of the nation. It is for our own and India%u2019s good.
Time to make everyone stand on their own feet, man!
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by Ramanath Babu on Apr 23, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
Mr. Milind,
To whom you are saying Jai. To a spiness man called Ambedkar.
He got educated with the help of uppter castes. He got all his positions due to upper castes only. He thenmaried to a Brahmin lady and said that it is a revenge! He was ill treated perhaps even after his so called achievement. To escape from this ill treatment of the upper castes, he opted for a short cut. To convert into a budhist.
Compared this with social reformer in Kerala. His name was Sri Narayana guru. He belonged to SC called 'Ezhavas'. Despite all the ill treatments he met with, he never deserted Hinduism. He fought against the evils of Hinduism staying within its fold. Ezhavas were not allowed to enter temple during those days. He then made a makeshift temple on the beach of a river and installed a 'Shiva's' diety. The upper casts brahmins came objecting to this act and threatened him. He simply answered them that the idiol he installed at this make shift temple was of a 'Ezhava Shiva' and it is not a brahmin shiva. so he has every right to install and worship this idiol. the brahmins had no answer to his argument. He led his community to fight against the upper casts and today, ezhavas enjoy a good status in the Kerala socieity.
Anyway, the topic here is something else, and many have already replied to them. I doubt very much whether you are a brahmin or not. A brahmin cannot think so stupidly.
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by vishal mishra on Apr 23, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
You should see the condition of poor brahmins also. What about persons having good finnacial assets belongs to dalit. Problem is there but certainly this is not solution.
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by kraft on Apr 23, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
Mr.Milind, dont talk Bullshit. We are all for upliftment of the Dalits. But understand that this Reservation Drama is simply to make the sons and daughters of Karunanidhi,Paswan lalloo,Ramadoss and other undeserving Creamy Layers becoming richer using State Funds and without any Examination1! Understand this before writing!
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by poosarla srinivas on Apr 23, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
Please note that this is regarding OBC reservation. Not for Dalits, who already enjoy the reservation and for which no one is objecting.
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by agnee i on Apr 23, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
WE ARE BROAD MINDED.I AGREE COUNTRY SHOULD PROVIDE THEM GOOD EDUCATION AND THEY ARE POOR THEY NEED HELP****BUT WE SHOULD GIVE TO NEEDY ALL OBC AND SC/ST ARE NOT POOR** THE GOVERNMENT HAVE PROVIDED THEM EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS TELL ME HOW MANY SC/ST WHO HAVE COME UP HAVE TRIED TO UPLIFT ANOTHER SC/ST***ITS NOT 1 OR 2 YEARS GOVERNMENT HAVE HELPED THEM BUT 60 THAT MEANS 60 YEARS ITS 6 decade's.AND THE GOVERNMENT HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS GOVERNANCE IS RIDICULOUS ABD BESIDES THEY ARE4 DOING THIS ON THE BASIS OF A CENCUS OF 1931 THATS PATHETIC****AND BESIDES WHO HAS INFORMED YOU THAT ALL UPPER CASTES ARE RICH?FIST CLEAR YOUR CONCEPTS
RE:Still Dalits are not getting there rights
by on Apr 23, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
Hi, We are not against reservation. But the reservation should not be cast based. It should based on poverty level. What if you are a dalit having a sound money background, why should you get reservation. So if you are week then you should have monetary benefits not FREE IIT and IIM Seats
Thanks to Supreme Court..Atleast there are some people in power who can act in the best interest of our Nation.. Guys...also the Judgement today from Kerala High Court is of great importance.. The Court ruled that anyone who has annual income more than 1.5 lakhs should not be given reservation in jobs... A landmark judgement... Hope other Courts and States take precedent of this..
RE:TRUTH ALONE CAN TRIUMPH
by anil shankar on Apr 23, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Excellent. Our confidence in judiciary system of the country will be back with such great decisions. Great SC and Kerala HC, you deserve our thanks for doing justice to all nationals.
