My thoughts..... This incident is sadly the picture of what ails America. It is well known that many asian americans in the big cities end up as gang members participating in violent gang activities. Some of the reasons attributed to this is, a lack of identity(unable to identify or "belong" to a peer group) amongst young asian americans, social isolation based on their race. Indian americans are also included amongst asian americans. It comes as somewhat of a shock to me that an asian was responsible for this incident. In the past, I believe such crimes are commited by mainstream american ethnic or religious groups. Eg. Whites, African Americans, Muslims, etc. The investigations into this incident will most likely reveal the difficulties that asians go through in American society. Also, the USA is a hotbed for crime, and probably has the highest crime rates amongst developed nations.
RE:what is wrong with America?
by on Apr 18, 2007 03:38 AM Permalink
This incident that occured was isolated #1) the kid was nuts mentaly and part of no gang 2) gang violence is controlled in at least most parts of america and only poor places have a big gang scene 3) Indians rnt amongst asian americans...we got out own groups down here
RE:what is wrong with America?
by on Apr 18, 2007 04:26 AM Permalink
You have obviously never been to the US. In American English "Asian" means someone from far east asia, someone for the lack of a better word with Far-East Asian features. Middle easterners are called just that middle-easterners (or Arabs), Indians (from India) are called East Indian or Indian not Asian (even though India is in Asia).
Secondly if you are going to racial profile gangs in the US then the African American community and the Hispanic groups are over-represented in gangs (and are under-represented in higher education, white collar and executive roles in corporate America and generally are in the bottom of the socio-economic ladder).
Asian Americans on the other hand are over-represented in Academia (both as students and faculty) and usually do much better than the majority Caucasian American. Yes Asian gangs do exist but so do white, black and hispanic gangs.
Lastly the Asian kid was mentally deranged. If you are going to racially profile mass-murderers then the average serial killer/mass murderer in the US is a 30 something white male.
Stop being another Ignorant Indian who lives in a 3rd world country and thinks he has it better because of some school shooting in the US. You are so low as to think you have it better because of a few high profile murders in the US. Who is counting the dead bodies in the Bombay Blasts of the 90's and last year?
RE:what is wrong with America?
by Siddhu Warrier on Apr 18, 2007 05:29 AM Permalink
3rd World country, indeed! I'm proud of you, oh patriotic fellow Indian. Don't you have the humanity to think of the families of the dead in the Bombay Blasts before bandying their names about. Your ignorance and arrogance are so intolerable you probably fit right into America.
(No, I don't live in a '3rd world country', but in a far more civilised '1st world country' where people don't walk around firing Glocks into each other! Being in the 3rd World or 1st World makes no difference to what the Yanks call the 'Second Amendment'. Bah!)
And as for India being a third-world country, remember this quote from Adam Smith - 'The Wealth of Nations is built on the poverty of others' - so now, let's ask ourselves, why is America rich? Because of a history of genocide and discrimination!!!! Even the much revilled Brits had more of a conscience than the Americans.
RE:what is wrong with America?
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 18, 2007 05:45 AM Permalink
Arrogance? You seem to have way way more arrogance (about what, I fail to gather) than the poster to whom you replied. He called a spade a spade... we are NOT a first world country... maybe your ivory tower is, but not the stuff outside it.
It is not unpatriotic to criticize your own country. That is OK for a dictatorship or theocracy but not a democracy. The whole point of free speech is to protect all voices, no matter how much they disagree with yours (Voltaire).
Inasmuchas the glocks are concerned, well we dont fire glocks. Our people use RDX. Clearly, we are far more advanced. Insofaras the glocks were concerned, didnt you have the "humanity" to consider the people shot by a mentally ill man?
What "genocide" has US been involved in? Iraq war is not a genocide... call it what you want -illegal, immoral, etc and all that is valid, but not a genocide. Most people are dying in Iraq at the hands of insurgents who plant IEDs. The initial bombing of Iraq cost a few civilian lives, but since then, the "genocide", if any has been by the locals. Hitler's extermination of jews is a genocide... The gujrat riots was a genocide, so were the sikh riots (Yeah, forgot about that,didnt you?)
What discrimination are you talking about? Brits are 100% more racist than americans. Of the industrialized west, America has least racism today. Yes, they've had a history of slavery in the past, but we've had the caste system.
My point? Dont go holier than thou on others. You are in as much of rubbish as they are, perhaps more so.
RE:what is wrong with America?
by bunty on Apr 18, 2007 04:45 AM Permalink
yes u r right. in 84 20000 sikhs killed by communal congress party in capital of india and their dead bodies eaten by dogs watch picturs
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by bunty on Apr 18, 2007 04:46 AM Permalink
yes u r right. in nov 1984, 20000 sikhs killed by communal congress party in capital of india and their dead bodies eaten by dogs watch picturs
RE:what is wrong with America?
by BlackHawk on Apr 18, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
While it is true that the asian kid was mentally deranged, the question about what exactly made him take such a drastic step will haunt investigations into this incident. I have to admit my comments seem politically motivated and insensitive to those that lost near and dear one in this tragedy. My sincere apologies.
Our condolences n prayers for Minal and her family May God Give her parents all the strength of universe to bear this great loss of their loss May Minal's Soul rest in peace.
That's right that we have the right to bear arms, our founding fathers awarded us this right in 1776. We can even carry a gun and it's legal as long as you go through the training. It's sad when other countries try to judge us for what we do and they can not even take their own advice. Lets look at they way people in the middle east cut of the heads of people, record it and plaster it on the internet. People love the US and everyone wants to come to our country to get educated and live, well you take the good with the bad!!!
RE:Minal Pancha
by lax on Apr 18, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
You the ordinary citizens of US, dont even realise that your Govt is more concerned about the few millionaries/billionaires who control the arms industry, than about you. So..so many innocent ppl have been killed.. just few mths ago, a guy barged into a school & killed little girls. There were 2 such incidents. Statistics clearly show that, many-many innocent ppl have been killed coz of this stupid policy of yours, than would have been protected by it. Dont you realise that, you, the Americans are being killed by your own govt, coz it doesnt want a few industrialists to lose their business. How stupid can you be...
RE:Minal Pancha
by Raju Puducode on Apr 18, 2007 04:12 AM Permalink
You should realize that the military-industrial complex(Pres Eisenhower's words)still runs the country of US. Bush, Cheney & company are in the pockets of major Oil cos, Halliburton, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman etc & they decide the foreign policy of the country since even senators are in their pockets. That is why US is at peace only when there is some war is going on in the world.
Stop jumping to conclusions. There are still people in the 'Third World' with enough moral fibre to refuse to move to a country that has sponsored the genocide of millions of people around the world ever since the Monroe Doctrine of 1823.
RE:Minal Pancha
by Jagadeesan R on Apr 18, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
Are you sure the US must be comparing itself to the Middle-East ? A country that considers itself among the best the in self-image should be aspiring for a lot more.
I agree that you take the good with the bad, but the US is one of the few civilized countries that still talks of gun rights for individuals. Really there is a lot of room for improvement and change with regard to people's attitudes towards gun ownership.
Also it is absurd to say that rights granted in 1776 will always make sense in 2007. If thats the case, then India should be very happy that all kinds of obsolete crappy legislation put in place by the british in 1870 and 1840 (Telegraph act, I think )that are still in place today...Society needs to move with the times.
RE:Minal Pancha
by IndianTeam on Apr 18, 2007 04:10 AM Permalink
It should not be considered as that other countries are advising. We the people (any country) will be grow up by the experience gained (himself) by other people. Some of the wise decisions are to be considered for the betterment of growing society. It is really concern that arms possing should be considerd seriously.
After 9/11, airport security was tightened... after columbine and now VT, school campus security will be tightened... It is ironical that we always fix the pipe after it breaks.. let it rust and erode till then. Welcome to New World Logic.
