first of all indians are far more racist than any american that i have seen. as a brown dude, i suffered some racism after 9-11. but when i was in india, people used to freely call blacks 'ugly kallus' and far easterners as 'chinks', not to mention that some north indian weeds used to call me a 'malbari' or 'madrasi' (south indian).
all the advertisements for brides/grooms refer to 'fair' skinned people. dark skinned people (dark brown I mean) have no place in the movies, commercials or any indian society.
contrary, here in america, blacks, asians everybody is featured in movies, commercials.
if any of you who come to the west and don't like it, GO BACK! i know so many stupid indians who tell me how great india is...and i tell them, 'why don't you go back'....they never give me a reply....please go back, self-centered, stingy parasites!
RE:A message to haters: GO BACK!
by Vas on Apr 19, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
Ah, get lost you 'ugly kallu'!
With your senseless, insensitive and inappropriate ranting, you make a prime candidate for the position of the next madman killer who will go on a mass killing spree.
You come across as a bigger racist than anyone else. As for references to you as an 'ugly kallu,'(or whatever the word is), I'm positive that people were referring to your black, tainted, immoral soul!
Seek some psychological counselling, before you do considerble damage on american society!
RE:RE:[object]
by Lava Kava on Apr 19, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
also, what is so 'senseless' about my ranting, troll? every single thing i mentioned above is correct. most indians don't want to face the truth because truth hurts, and thats why india is still a s***hole and all indians are slaves of arabs and whites (go to gulf or west - all indians are working for arabs or whites lmfao!)
RE:A message to haters: GO BACK!
by Lava Kava on Apr 19, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
i ask people to help all victims irrespective of their nationality, and i get called a psycho by V.A.S. (vile arrogant sicko)...see you in the news, TROLL!
The kiiling of prof Loganathan was tragic act of a maniac. Something like this should never happen to anyone. I can't imagine if something like that happening to someone close to me. With that said, "WHY SHOULD TAX PAYERS BEAR THE EXPENSES?" (1) Professor Loganathan was not working for Indian or Tamilnadu Govt. He was there for his own career and personal interests, just like me and all of us. (2) He was not killed in action working for India. (3) He was not killed by a Tamilnadu tax payer or Indian Tax payer. (4) Incident happened in USA and not in India. So leaving emotions aside how can govt dole out hard earned tax payer money like this? Someone should file a petition against this kind of doling out of tax payer money.
RE:Why should Tax payers bear the expense?
by Lava Kava on Apr 19, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
Wow Bapat,
Rather than telling the Indian people to contribute and help everyone involved in the tragedy, you are telling them not to help anybody at all.....typical Indian self-centeredness and stinginess.
Americans freely invite millions of Indians to seek a better life in the US (something that Indian government can, but will never ever provide), and its only the basic common human decency to help the Americans back.
RE:Why should Tax payers bear the expense?
by Vas on Apr 19, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
You are definitely not an Indian, that is for sure! Your witings clearly give you away! So, stop pretending to be an NRI, you ugly troll!
So, shut the F*** up, and disappear from here. Pity you weren't the victim in the massacre, instead of all those innocent, good, bright souls.
Whats up with this stupid Indian government again trying to only help 'Indian' students and this 'Indian' professor? This professor probably has American citizenship, and is being taken care of by Americans.
As an Indian myself, one thing I can't stand is how Indians are so racially prejudiced and self-centered that we want to help only 'our' kind. There were whites, blacks, hispanics, orientals all killed in the shooting. Why not help them as well?
Look at the white people of VA Tech. They don't say they want to help only 'European' people. (Lest they be accused of being 'racist').
This racial bigotry by Indians must stop...there is only one race, the human race. We Indians even like to discriminate each other - like North Indians are better than South Indians, etc.
Indian politicians should know better that America helped this Indian professor achieve what he wanted to be. Since India doesn't want to improve the standard of living of Indians, many of us are forced to find better lives in other nations. Thank you (NOT), greedy Indian politicians!!!
RE:Why only help Indians?
by BlurBlur on Apr 19, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
The government is not helping the the indian prof. or student beacuse they are dead. They are only helping the prof.'s parents who for your information are still Indian. Do those old parents not even deserve to see their son for one last time?
Please stop your "Holier than Thou" lecture about human race and try to understand what is happening around you!
RE:Why only help Indians?
by Udaya Kiran on Apr 19, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
Aye. Most people commenting on rediff seem to start out in an aggressive manner, hell-bent on criticizing whoever or whatever it is the news is about, and of course, rediff itself. Blind criticism.
RE:Why only help Indians?
by nikkie on Apr 18, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
he acheived what he wanted to be by his own hard work. he could have achieved the same in any country if he wanted to. if he was in the US. it was by this own wish and will.
yes, we are self-centered. probably you have no idea how the americans look at the world and the "human-race" according to you. may be you don't know how they look at brown people and please please for god's sake don't tell me that americans don't know what's racism.
i live in canada and i did not go to the US because i don't like that country's attitude towards the world and i'll never go there as well.
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by BlurBlur on Apr 19, 2007 12:31 AM Permalink
Nikkie, It is not true that you can achieve everything by hard work, you also need the right opportunities. Eg. Kalpana Chawla had a dream to go to space, do you think she could have gone to space if she lived and studied in India?
The killing of Prof. & one Indian student is a tragic news. Why some people are bringing reservation issue in it. People will continue to go abroad even if reservation is scrapped. It is just mindset to study in a foreign country. For some, it is even status symbol. Only very few genuine very brilliant and poor student get these chances. Most of the parents of these studs are very rich. Let us be impartial. So far, how many seats were reserved in IIMs & IITs (Before recent OBC addition). Even if, number is one thousand, the number of students studying in US, UK, Canada & Australia is much much higher. Though death of Prof. & a student is a terrible blow to their families, people will continue to go and study abroad. No shooting incidenta or scapping reservation will deter anybody. Please show our conventional wisdom.Now donot say I as OBC. Scholar
RE:Cry for reservation
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
you have summed up the unending arguments and discussions on this subject.... I only wish our Government do not make a big issue out of it and go beyond boundaries to show their affection and help, which they never do when much more greater incidents happens within India every now and then.
It looks from TV interviews...that the slain professor's family didnt have a rosy relationship with their parents and siblings in India
the cat will soon be out of the bag ....it a great loss of an Indian Intellectual...but....why discuss and waste our time in compensating their parents over here ....
one thing sure...its hay day for Indian, Tamil media to write and report columns of stories. ..meloncholic...wetting interviews ...its after all business and money at the end of the day
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
you bloody ungrateful...I feel ashamed to call you an Indian...you should have been thrown out of India the moment you took birth in this soil..having grown up here and had this soils bread and butter, you went out to make a fotune (leaving your family behind or leaving your parents in an orphanage)..talking about Indian political system and Politicias does not suit you...never even look at India's map henceforth, leaving alone landing in this holy place....GET LOST FOR EVER
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
anusha. please dont get out of the topic. whatever has been said by Mr. Saubashya is truth. By the way I think you are alos OBC/SC/ST thats why shouting and making fool fo yourselves.
RE:RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by PRADEEP JOHN THOMAS on Apr 18, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Hi Anusha Don't u think what Saubashya said is very true.I am very much an indian serving the mother land paying my taxes and closely following all the developments in India.Do u have an answer for the fortunes the polticians make and live on the moment they are elected.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Kashyap Kaushik on Apr 18, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
Dear Anusha, I fully empathize with Sur. Nobody wants to run away from one's motherland, unless they see no hope in the system. Most Indians who have settled abroad didn't do so to serve their western masters. It was the only option left to them after they experienced rampant corruption in the education, justice and bureaucratic systems of India. The recent hike in reservation hasn't made matters any easy. People like you who wanted to emigrate but couldn't won't realize the patriotism that most of the diaspora carry in our every day life. Jai Hind!!
RE:RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Santosh on Apr 18, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
If so Mr Kashyap then why people earning 50,000 and more per month still looking for H1B and very much eager to go abroad.
Specially in current scenario IITian and IIM guys has offer of package more then 18 lacs per anum in India but still they prefer their western master intead of motherland.
RE:RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by on Apr 18, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
"It was the only option left to them after they experienced rampant corruption in the education, justice and bureaucratic systems of India". This I doubt, most of them are going abroad just under the delusion that GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE or herd mentality looking at some senior of theirs from the college going there. But my interaction with many of them abroad tells me that 70-80% of them face difficulties in coping up but stay put to make dollars! No thought of corruption here, just dollars, I bet the same NRIs will come back tomorrow, if the private sector will stary paying high, even if we have the same corruption in India.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by ramachandran nair on Apr 18, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
I do not agree with you that students or otherwise seeking green patches in Ameria are not those students or people deprived of the opportunity in India. Some parents take credit to say that my daughter or son is pursuing his studies in USA. It is their wisdom. You should not blame the politicians. Their children are also studying abroad but at the same time boosting and supporting regional languages, rather than Inglish. Whatever happend is a tragic one and my heart goes to the affected families not only in India but also other countries. I pray almighty to give them enough courage and strength at this hour of crisis in their life.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
ATTITUDE - thats is the problem. these type of people do not even bother to take care of their own parents once they start earning.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
How much do you know about Indians staying in other countries Ms. Anusha. Hawa me teer mat chalao. Give proper justifications and be logical.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
could you provide me with the correct statistics...you seems to be an expert on Indians staying in oter countries..Nishane me teer chalao na phir
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Well I am stating the facts its upto u to collect the statistics. Lagee teer nishane pe :))
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
you are stating the facts? name a single one... you just joined the bandwagon of some foolish NRIs spoiling all other good work being done by a few NRIs
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
All the messages posted above are facts. And this is a FACT. You call NRI's as foolish because they invest in India? Or because the job market is opening up because of these investments? Or because the forex reserve is increasing which is increasing the ruppee value? Talking about taking care of parents, people here always do that kyun ki dil hain hindusthani. Did you ever see the atmosphere when India plays a cricket match? You are talking as if you are only one who is patriotic. Also do you follow news papers? There is infux of NRI's to India to serve the country lately. By the way, is there a single instance, which shows that you have given back something to the country. I believe NO kyun ki barking dogs never bite.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
haha big joke...NRIs coming back to India to serve the Country...bullshit...they are unable to survive there...and hence returning...(or being kicked out)
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by ANIDIL RAJENDRAN on Apr 18, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
I agree with this. NRIs dont come back to serve India rather they have personal problems which is not conducive for their stay in US
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
Please at least bother to read news paper. dont fire bullets in air without knowing facts. U know in US, IT companies want infinite H1B's for Indians. Now u decide who is kicked out and who wants to keep whom?
RE:RE:[object]
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
is that so...you mean to say that these great souls who are returning to India for serving the country now...JOKE OF THE DAY. there you are...now US wants infinite H1B's and not India wants..so there is a brain drain in US not in India..
RE:[object]
by Santosh on Apr 18, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Hey Jo, where was their investment before 1991 (liberalisation policy) or you will say that there was no Indian in abroad at that time.
They are now investing in India NOT just for the shake of development of India or Indian people instead for their own profits.
We Indian back at home made (build) this country on such level that not only NRI even others are too oppressed/eagered to look towards it.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Karthik ramaprasad on Apr 18, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
Anusha, I am not sure why do you presume that only NRIs leave their parents in Orphanage....and don't take care of their parents....This is absolutely stupid on your part....They are more parents in india who are not with their son/daughter residing in India...Its all Individualism....ok?
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
i was just giving some example towards one of the comments...don't pick on that for further arguments now.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
you bloody ungrateful...I feel ashamed to call you an Indian...you should have been thrown out of India the moment you took birth in this soil..having grown up here and had this soils bread and butter, you went out to make a fotune (leaving your family behind or leaving your parents in an orphanage)..talking about Indian political system and Politicias does not suit you...never even look at India's map henceforth, leaving alone landing in this holy place....GET LOST FOR EVER
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
anusha. please dont get out of the topic. whatever has been said by Mr. Saubashya is truth. By the way I think you are also OBC/SC/ST thats why shouting and making fool of yourselves.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
ATTITUDE - thats is the problem. these type of people do not even bother to take care of their own parents once they start earning.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
How much do you know about Indians staying in other countries Ms. Anusha. Hawa me teer mat chalao. Give proper justifications and be logical.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Jo...aap jo bhi ho..have seen many of the orphanages (run by main south indians) wherein the parents of the so called elite, educated, NRI Americans being put up...and talking about family, bondage, integrity, loyalty...nonsense
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
I am really not concerned whether the orphanages are run by south Indians or north Indians and I say there are always exceptions. So its better not to generalize things.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Anusha R on Apr 18, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
yes...did I say that there are no exceptions...i do agree that in any section of people, there are exceptions..I have not generalized anything here...those orphanages are also exceptions..
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by Jo on Apr 18, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
Please have some clarity before wirting. I think you are totally confused. Please refer your earlier messages for that.
RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by ramachandran nair on Apr 18, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
When you are able to stand of your own, you often think of leaving the parents. Similarly when you attain certain maturity and age you look for green patches elsewhere. It is your ungratefulness that you are leaving your parents or motherland for your furtherance.
RE:RE:Blame the Indian politicians
by PRADEEP JOHN THOMAS on Apr 18, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
Nobody still denies u to take care of them.It is left to u to take care of them in India or abroad
