Why we should be worried of the deal going down, infact we should be happy that at least now our scientific community has got something to prove on nuclear technology. We are sitting on Thorium Mountain can%u2019t we convert that to an effective fissile material for generating power. Come on our science is not that much bad. Ofcourse only to worry about is the time%u2026But we enjoy the pride in it of making indigenously.
RE:Please scrap the Deal
by theproudindian on Apr 13, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
You are right buddy, our scientific community should get their due recognition. Who cares what and what not apeases USA.
Some time back, they were talking that India is not sincere to America, but she (India) is sincere to Russia. Now they are blaming India for having closer ties with Iran. It is going too far.
Undia very badly wanted nuclear technology from USA. So, the USA moved fast and amended their law to enable export of nuclear technology to India. But our foolish government (nudged by the Napumsak Party of India,which is also known as the CPM)has suddenly developed cold feet after the initial enthusiasm. God only can save this country from ruins.
RE:Foolish Indian Government
by proudind on Apr 13, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
I want some petrol, I supply petrol to China w/o any restriction, China considered as one of the nuclear power, but India, you need to sign this treaty that treaty etc. U miss spelled India, so, I mean, I have right to tell it openly. Also we have other means of producing electricity, but world want cleaner ways of producing
1. Indian government wants to retain the right to make nuclear weapons and at the same time wants USA to continue to supply nuclear fuel.
2. She wants to make friendship with Iran, the terrorist state, at the cost of a deal with the most powerful nation which will ensure the continuous power supply for the nation in future for its growth of economy.
This is the classing example of madness. Whoever in India thinking this, he/she must be a crazy person. India has to choose between reality and madness.
I don't understand what is the wrong in accepting demands of USA? You want something from someone, so you have to accept some conditions, isn't that fare? The question is, in this situation, who is in a better position to negotiate? If the deal is broken, nothing will happen to USA. But India will suffer in future because India does not have any nuclear fuel to burn for electricity in next several decades. India's coal reserve is depleting and also burning of coal is bad for the environment. India has to go for nuclear and for that she needs to import nuclear fuel. Can she make another such deal with another country? That does not look promising at this moment. India has a deal with the most powerful nation on the earth, she has a chance to be real close with the most powerful nation and she wants to destroy that chance at the cost of making friendship with Iran, the terrorist state and at the cost of making some unrealistic demand? !!!! Come on. I can%u2019t believe Indian politicians are that much fool.
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by proudind on Apr 13, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
Not only India friendship w/ Iran, whole bunch of people, is there any restrictions for supplying uranium for them???
RE:RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by Arman on Apr 13, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
It is not madness but it is called safeguarding your interests. The deal is about civilian nuclear cooperation not about nuclear weapons. The bill US congress passed makes it clear that India will not get any dual use technology. That should be the end of the story. India's problem is nuclear fuel rather than technology. US does not have the best nuclear technology anyway. Whatever it has, it will never part with it. India should keep it simple. If any nation helps India with a nuclear plant, they can have all the inspections there, but what is made by Indian scientists should never be open to any inspections. You do not want Indian nuclear scientists to start disappearing like what has happened to some of the Pakistani scientists. Western countries especially US will never allow India to come up, atleast there is no sign till now that they will.
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by G S on Apr 13, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
Dear Sudip, Either it is a fictitious name, & you are not Indian. Or you do not have any geopolitical perception.
Why India will limit its nuclear arsenal development? Have we reached at the level of China? We would be fool to shut out China as no threat. Chinese ambassador sitting in India is claiming Indian Territory as Chinese. They have gobbled up Tibet and build train to Tibet (which has no meaning commercially), why?
Indian Govt. since beginning has stressed that this deal is purely for civilian stuff and will not stifle India%u2019s nuclear program. BUT NOW US IS CHANGING GOAL POST. IT is trying to get India commit to no test and enter into NPT /CTBT thru backdoor. RECOGNIZE INDIA as nuclear weapon state then India will enter from front door. Then India will have option to keep its nuclear arsenal and prevent bullies like china to force us.
I agree with your Iran perception, but again this will give India more bargaining power who knows. It could be a political move. India knows that friendship with US forces other countries to rethink. Chinese have started thinking about India. Pakistan is worried about being caught pants down with terrorism in Kashmir, so things are changing.
I understand that our ministers and ngotiators have a difficult bargaining in their hand, but they can not give India%u2019s right as nuclear power. INDIA WILL NEVER rollback it's nuclear program unless China does so. Regards GS, Virginia, USA
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by bala chandran on Apr 13, 2007 07:27 PM Permalink
India needs Iran. Iran is India's gateway to Afganistan and Central Asia. Iran helps India encircle Pakistan from all sides. Iran is a dangerous country but so is pakistan yet it became the frontline ally for US.
NPT is a mafia run by 5 nuclear armed thugs :) along with NSS.
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by MOHAN PYARE on Apr 13, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
USA is not insisting on signing of NPT for giving nuclear technology to India. They have amended their law for this very purpose (for giving the technology to India without signing of NPT). So why do you raise this issue?
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by Arman on Apr 13, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Do you want a simple solution? Let India sign NPT as a nuclear weapon state, let it be N6 from N5. If other nations can supply uranium to China, why can't they to India? After all India's record in non proliferation is better than China.
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by proudind on Apr 13, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
Any demand should not be a double standard in supplying uranium or urine to one country w/o any limits, they are considered as nuclear power, but for india to supply the same fuel, you need to sign this, that etc. why this double standard
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Apr 13, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
Why not? What you are saying is an ideological standpoint. I don't think it has any practical value. Every deal in the international community is made to one-to-one basis. You don't have same conditions for each deal. You don't make same deal with every person when you sell you product or do you?
RE:THIS IS MADNESS !!
by kartik deshpande on Apr 13, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
True Sudip. I'll add to this madness. The reason we are close to Iran is that some parties (read CPM, Lalu, Mullah Mulayam etc) believe that if we snub Iran we will antagonize the Indian Muslims and thus they will lose their vote bank. Super madness: The country will get surplus electricity,large parts of our country facing power cuts for half the day will be bright again, children will be able to study at night etc.But does this matter to the population that is supposed to benifit thus from this deal, or what matters is some far away state whose ruler threatens to blow up other countries on every opportunity. The answer is ambigous at best.
I like the deal & its potential. We need fuel for electricity, at the same time we are in a different neighborhood. Who ever formulate, they should formulate w/o hurting our security please. If you allow others to get any number of fuel, w/o any restrictions, you can test on their will & wish, but telling India to do this & do that is not good for the world.
RE:We need the deal, fuel, frendship etc
by Vimala S on Apr 13, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
not worth withstanding abuse and disgrace in a world forum, let is get collapsed.
Step by step: 1. Bush and Singh signed MOU that civil and defence nuclear facilities will be separated and defence will continue its program as it is. Civil facilities will get approval from US to buy technology and fuel from rest of world. 2. US congress signs a bill saying India will be asked to reduce its Nuclear program. This Bill was much different from what was signed between two leaders 3. Using that Bill US officials are asking India to sign an agreement to comply and saying that India is not cooperating
Elephant has different teeth to show and eat. Agree on A, pass B and ask to sign C (which is entirely different from A)
I like the deal & its potential. We need fuel for electricity, at the same time we are in a different neighborhood. Who ever formulate, they should formulate w/o hurting our security please. If attach some string, then that string will be used by others to rape us in the future.
America used to watch when India and other countries suffered terrorism . America used to walk away as if they are not aware of anything, but from September 11, when they lost the twin towers, they acted crazy , war was announced on Afganistan, instead they could have tried some official ways, since the Taliban itself is a Terrorist body. The already sufferring Afganistan due to Taliban rule had receive a severe blow from US too , but had no other go. Subsequently blaming Suddam Hussain, again they failed to think about some peaceful ways on collective measures, never consulted anybody, nor listened to UN, but invaded unneccessarily there, by accussing the treat of some mass destructive weopens which were never there. Ofcourse the same story again. The already sufferring Iraq was not able to escape from Suddam Hussein, but fallen victim to America. It is too much to do two wars, only for two people Osama and Suddam.
IF THEY REALLY WANT PEACE , THEN THEY SHOULD MAINTAIN COOL.
But throwing much abusive terms on the India, by calling Indian's are greedy, is too much. I do not see any diffence between Taliban and Suddam's government and the present Bush government. The only difference is the way of ehaviour gained through race , when compared to a muslim terrorist's hand.
