This is a really unnecessary controvery. This has been an age old tradition and it has to be that way. This lady Jaymala is trying to get some free publicity using this issue. Regarding "Aren't women human beings" They certainly are. Kerala is a state where women are treated with great respect. The women of Kerala have been ok with this traidition and have not been complaining.
It is these feminists who are creating all these controversies. Just by changing this tradition and allowing women to visit Sabarimala is not going to solve all of women's probelms. There are other pressing problems of women which they need to focus on.
RE:jayamal's issue
by Voice on Jul 06, 2006 02:16 PM Permalink
So you are comparing women with dog...then you were also born out of a bitch-your mother because she was also a women.
with reference to the matter today one more actress girija lokesh from bangalore confirm that she enter the saberimala temple thinking that saberi name itself a woman god.
i treat my wife as a goddess of my children lot of foolish people have to be changed thier attitude i am not blaming anybody else but the upper caste hindus' intolerable age old beliefs only. if we go like this we won't treat the other half of human being so called the great, creator of all - WOMEN equally. foolish world
I doubt whether all the readers who support Jayamala's contention have ever gone to Sabarimala or understand the story of Lord Ayyappa. Only persons who go to Sabarimala as devotees can know the real power, vibrations they experience in sabarimala once they go on strict Vrata for 41 days. There is complete sanctity and the daily rituals in the temple gives real happiness and peace. It is the age-old tradition not to allow women of some age group and this should be respected. This is not about equality issue. If women want to go Sabarimala, they can go at the age it is allowed. They are always welcome. But why to make this as an issue. As a true devotee of Lord Ayyappa, the women should also respect this. This is also not about Kannadiga issue as some stupid politicians from Karnataka claim and they should shut their mouths and not interfere in religious issues. Respect your religion. Otherwise God will not forgive u.
RE:jaymala
by venkateswaran on Jul 05, 2006 06:15 PM Permalink
This has got nothing to do with upper caste and lower caste. Shows how ill-informed you are about LORD Ayyappa. He is the one who does not discriminate against any caste.
RE:jaymala
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 05, 2006 07:08 PM Permalink
It is not foolish world my dear. It is you, who are foolish!
You can worship you wife as godess. No one has any objection to that. But religion is based on faith and it has certain customs and tradition, which have to be followed by the believers. I am talking about believers and not the atheists like you.
RE:jaymala
by Venkateswaran on Jul 06, 2006 10:41 AM Permalink
Please do not confuse the issue. There is no higher caste - lower caste issue here at all. In Sabarimala, Individuals of all communities and faiths and strata of society can come and take Darshan. It is the 41 day ritual which needs to be followed. This involves doing daily Pooja etc. Women cannot do Poojas and holy rituals during the menstruation period of their month. Hence they would not be able to do the 41 day rituals and hence Women of a menstruating age group are asked to avoid Sabarimala
I seriously doubt Jayamala's belief in Lord Ayyappa. If she was one of those devout worshipper of God she would have respected the norms set by the Lord himself. belief in God without respect for the God is of no use. I think women like Jayamala should understand that Lord Ayyappa is a celibate and there are certain norms to worship him. Another example is lord Hanuman. Would Jayamala do the same had it been Lord Hanuman's temple? I'm sure she won't because everybody knows that Lord Hanuman is all male God. Even Shanishwara temple in Maharashtra doesn't allow women to enter the main area where the black stone of Shanishwara is worshipped. Would she still go there and claim to have seen and touched the Lord Shanishwara? Her claims of not knowing that women of certain age are not allowed is a huge bluff. Someone who claims to have belief in god so much should have known this simple fact.
There are some norms in Lord Ayyappa's temple for women to enter and worship (.) Ladies having faith with Ayyappan should follow the customery practices meant for that temple (.) Regarding Jayamala's entry and alleged physical touch of Ayyappan should have been done only with the assistance of the temple authorities (.) However, the said alleged entrance may be forgiven and the same has no such importance to be discussed (.)
How can god practice inequaity to human beings. A female is the one who brings a male into this world. How can Lord Aiyappa discriminate against women.
If he was a brahmachari, then onl those girls shuld be barred entry who would like to marry the lord. I guess all others should be allowed to worship.
And if Lord Aiyappa himself told his followers to bar entry of women, he has done an act unbecoming of god.
I firmly believe that such rules have been made by male priests to implement their dominance in the temple.
Such non-sense rules have to go away. Well done Jaymala.. lets weed out these rules and make our religion more tolerant and humanitraian. One that does not discriminate people on the basis of their sex.
RE:inequality in the eyes of god
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 06, 2006 12:41 PM Permalink
You are not even an ordinary Hindu, let alone a staunch Hindu! You do not know nothing about Hindusim.
If it is a question of gender bias, then how come that the temple authorities allow entry of girls below 10 years of age and women after 50. Ponder over it. To reach any conclusion, you will have to know the traditions and customs of temples in Kerala. Without knowing those, don't venture to comment upon any topic.
recently a holywood movie released on christ's married life. There were so many protests and politics in India, i think no where in the world happend that mauch(see our great people who change their color in the name of religion just for money sake). Then why his married life kept secret. Means even christians are also doing the same since ages but they are well changed according to time like Chameleons do.But hindus are not like that.
This practive is there before the actress has started believing the swamy, if she does not like the practices, she should not have started praying the swamy. Her intention is to come in news, being "past tense" in cine field and no one is worried about her, she is making all the fuss. These things should have been ignored by the media. Temple authorities are not saying that women are not human being. They are saying that women at certain age should follow the procedure of the temple. Women are very much involved the pooja programme. Author has to apology for insulting the temple by calling "Aren't women human beings?". Media should concentrate on issues useful to society, not on sensalisation of issues and insulting the practices of people. Better they mind their business.
