All the muslim leaders meeting felt for the first time that the congress can do no benefit to them. Actually congress as of now can do no benefit to any one. Its is just sucking all of us. just see the sparwling property prices, daal, aata, etc. they started immedialty as it came to power. I am not favouring BJP but still we didn't had to shell out our hard earned money. It brought down the tax slab but have to shell out tax at every investment. Just try reasoning, we have to shell out more now then before.
With so much of debate a doubt is cropping up in my mind that the so called Dalits in Muslims & Christians are originally Hindus who are converted, possible truth may be by force,bribe & may be by using unlawful, immoral things and then treated as second rated people by the people who have converted them.May be it is a tragedy bestowed upon them by themslves.
North Indian Muslims and South Indian Muslims story
Oh God!!! The gap is not only with muslims of south and north but with whole indians.
and one more thing. somewhat, muslims of north living got converted in mugal period whereas the southern living are later while/after british rule. the south have touch of their nativity.
RE:All new story
by Lion on Dec 23, 2006 10:40 AM Permalink
Did you said "Influence of upper caste hindus in south"? I dont know what do you mean. But even a recent study from US says, states like TN has prolonged because of abosrpting all communities with in it. There is no'one' rule there.
RE:All new story
by Indian Muslim on Dec 17, 2006 01:26 PM Permalink
You are a the biggest joke living in this world <<<and one more thing. somewhat, muslims of north living got converted in mugal period whereas the southern living are later while/after british rule. the south have touch of their nativity>>>> BS The muslims of South India are more developed now only because the Influence of upper caste hindus and communal parties like BJP is less in South India.
RE:All new story
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 01:03 PM Permalink
<<<Did you said "Influence of upper caste hindus in south"? I dont know what do you mean. But even a recent study from US says, states like TN has prolonged because of abosrpting all communities with in it. There is no'one' rule there. >>> If you are not sure what I said, then do you see any reason why only Dravidian parties like AIADMK and DMK comes to power in Chennai, not BJP or Congress? Except Karnataka( That too, a coalition govt) No south Indian state had BJP government. That's the reason there is communal harmony and growth in South India. Which recent study are you referring to? They study many things and if you think US studies has so much credibility, just read the California State's school books on History and Religion....see what they have told about Hinduism. Still I agree with you. There is no ONE rule their. That's what we muslims want, no ONE rule. But parties like BJP doesn't likes that idea.... IF you were unable to understand what I meant by <<"Influence of upper ......>>, then you seem to be a big fool. How you didn't understood such a simple statement?/??
If SC/STs are very backward in this society it is bze they were kept supressed for centuries together by other castes. so, they need everything.
If so-called musilms feel they are backward socialy and econoically then they themselves are CORE and ONLY REASON for it.
Its their time to comeup and join the indian mainstream. Let them stop unwanted reproduction and start educating their kids with the right education.
BS, if anyone states anything else. the sachar committe and Mr.manmohans recent comment clearly indiactes that they are ready to lick foots one another time simply for vote politics.
RE:The Difference in being so...
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 12:55 PM Permalink
What you mean by MainStream? What the heck is Mainstream? You all just repeat the words of BJP's spokepersons.....You think that Muslims, even if they have the money, don't send their children to English medium schools? YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Only children of poorest muslims go to Madrasas only when they don't have any other option. Madrasas are way better than Indian Government schools and nobody can deny that. What else is Mainstream? Should we change our names to sanskrit names? Okay, should we not go to Mosque and Dargahs so that we are in the same stream? Extremist and fundamentalists are there in every religion....and if you frustrate somebody, always see him with suspicious eye, then you are to blame if he/she chooses extremism I agree that you cannot clap with one hand. The Muslims in India has not been as receptive to growth and development as others, but IT IS ALSO A BIG TRUTH THAT THEY WERE NOT GIVEN ANY OPPURTUNITY TO GROW AND DEVELOP. Now, apart from Government, Muslims has the responsibility to develop themself, and don't depend fully depend on govt aid or reservations and think of alternatives ways.
RE:The Difference in being so...
by Lion on Dec 23, 2006 10:36 AM Permalink
If you want to point at any politicians like BJP or others for bad, I say there are few elements within doing it and no Indian has any pity for such elements.
Moreover, you people are not Muslims by everything but push much for nonexistence. From Sind to TN to Bengals the story is same. Even an Egyptian or Iranian is not what he says he is. But a Hindu is a Hindu and it is more than a religion.
RE:The Difference in being so...
by Indian Muslim on Dec 17, 2006 01:17 PM Permalink
You mindless dumb guy, Do you think India's 100 Crore population is because of unwanted reproduction of Muslims? Muslims were 13% in 1947 and still 13% in 2006, they grew at the same rate of India, if they had reproduced more than others, they'ld have been more than 25%. So shut your mouth and don't spill venom. <<<Its their time to comeup and join the indian mainstream. Let them stop unwanted reproduction and start educating their kids with the right education>>> Muslims will be more than happy to join the mainstream provided they are given the oppurtunity. But India's two main political parties, BJP and Congress hates muslims equally but they have different faces. One is a direct enemy( BJP) and another is a Backstabber(Congress). <<<<<<BS, if anyone states anything else. the sachar committe and Mr.manmohans recent comment clearly indiactes that they are ready to lick foots one anothe time simply for vote >>>> The Sachar committee was a good thing done for bad reason, but whatever it was, it brought out facts. Now we know that in India, no political party is with muslims and now we can, with private funds develop our community.
RE:The Difference in being so...
by Lion on Dec 23, 2006 10:34 AM Permalink
I think you are blind to see grim in self. Even in the most developed world like Britain and US it is clear seen that (A major chunk of) Musloms dont join the main stream and because, the nations are facing unwanted hitches. Just catch the exact that the case is not with whole community but with a large piece of the community. The so-called chunk is of fundamentalists and psychic religious, and not the cosmos from the community who do well for the nation and them self.
Related to two-child policy in this over populated nation, the policy does not control Muslims (why?) and most still go for more than 3, 4 (crazy!)
Sachar is a tool of vote-eyed politicians. He is partially true with much licking for votes.
For simple understanding, SC/ST are in so state because they have been dumped by others for centuries whereas if a Muslim is in such a state he himself is reason for it. Ok!. You create problem for yourself and who to you want to help you? Come up and join the main stream.
I am happy to be reading such transcripts from muslim leaders. Its time they take control of their community. Rather than depend on the so called secular forces for redemption. Its the lack of leadership which according to me is the single largest reason for a directionless major minority. They need to unify for the cause of their own and the nation's development.
"Don't we need to look above reservations? Why do we need subsidy to go on Haj"
Of course ,we need (subsidy to go on Haj): because otherwise only the ultra rich can go. Even now the word "Haaji" ( one who has gone hor Haj) is synonymous to a "rich muslim man"
There is nothing like the Indian muslim , the Indian Hindu.It is only the issue that is addressed that seems to be important.
If it is a rich man's daughter's marriage.then all the invited are the rich (muslims/hindus/sikhs).........,
If it is the man on the slum that has to be evacuated from his home , then it is all the other people in the same slum( not the slum Hindu , the slum muslim)
If it is an admission in the IIT, then the competition is between the cream of intelligence the intelligent Hindu/Muslim Vs. Intelligent Hindu/Muslim ( not the intelligent muslim Vs. the intelligent Hindus)
Uplift the downtrodden without sincerity no one will benefit
Try uplifting the rich even without any sincerity , the poor may also benefit .The rich will look after themselves .And if there is a downtrodden in between the current will carry him along and he wil be uplifted
RE:Mr F, we need it
by Lost and Unknown on Dec 17, 2006 10:44 PM Permalink
Well Said.....Had been looking at this drama for long. Not sure when would this ever change but the attitude had always been categorising on caste and none to bother about the economic status of a human being..
Let me conclude saying, this may gain popularity to people who speak but the whole process had never been matured.......
RE:Unity
by Kaushik Das on Dec 19, 2006 12:06 AM Permalink
Of course, what else can we expect from you? You talk of so many things but what appears finally is nothing but demands for reservations. Beggars!
Now let the muslims fight for their rights in the country. Everybody is just worried about their rights and not their duties. People forget that how ppl like VP Singh were removed from the govt. Reservation has become political tool for everybody now.. Hail Ambedkar.. I am sure he must be smiling there up seeing the mammoth growth of his delivered baby..Reservation
These are the double standards applied for over a long time by the hypocratic politicians to utilize the minorities for their vote-banks & in deed doing nothing for upliftment of the minorities or the SC poeple, indeed depleting their status from dirt to filth
The Sachar Committeee Report should is politically motivated. The Congress and Laloo, Mulayam and ilks has always used Muslims as a vote bank ( and BJP too tries to woo them particularly near elections, though my muslims brothers are never going to vote for it though!) and the sachar report is a ploy to provide them reservations. I am against reservation as such reservations donot augur well for India in a long term. What we need to do is to provide 'reservation' (ie, better education and resources to economically backward people- whether be Hindus or Muslims or others- and abolish reservation in a phased manner!
By the way I just saw the Bangla (Bangladesi) movie Matir Moina('The Clay Bird') directed by Tareque Masud and liked the theme: the clash between orthodox islamic thinking and the moderate Islamic views.
RE:Moderation is the key
by allahmullah on Dec 16, 2006 12:44 AM Permalink
this is the only country in the world where a muslim president and sikh PM and christian leader leading and splitting hindus and muslims and christians when 75% population is hindus
