1)Ram vilas Paswan said on the floor of the parliament while in Deve Gowda`s cabinet "we did not allow a single Brahmin to become a minister in our government".That`s how he helped Dalits 2)Dalits are divided among themselves into four main castes ,each treating the other as enemies.Scavengers are treated as the lowest by"Upper caste" Dalits themselves. 3)No collective dining or inter caste marriages are done among various dalit csstes, for example a chamar never marries a scavanger. 4)Dalit leaders like Paswan and Mayawathi never helped poorer dalits to come into limelight. 5)Left parties which swear by "classless societies " are headed by only upper caste Hindus 6)Reservations to Dalit Christians (who are also socially challenged)is opposed by Dalit Hindus to prevent dilution of their special facilities.
RE:DALITS THEIR OWN ENEMIES
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
I agree with you 100%. There is a need for the middle class and all other Indians who matter, to change their attitude to the deprived and underpreviledged people of our society.
The author has made a traditional error. He blames the urban upper caste middle class for being biased against the dalits. Sorry in modern urban India , no one has time to look at caste etc. At the work level people are only interested in how well you work - irrespective of your surname, and at the social level, people are only interested in your soft skills (like having a modern outlook and speaking well etc). If you have zero work skills and are a villager type person , then you could be from the highest caste & no one in modern India could care 2 bits about you. On the other hand if you are a good worker & are a modern person - then you fit in everywhere, even if by caste you are a dalit or brahmin. City Dwellers dont even know the names of all the Gods, forget knowing about finer details like caste etc. In fact people who tom-tom about being brahmins etc are thought to be living in another world. A part of (modern) India has moved on to the next century where caste does not matter, and another part with the likes of Mayawati & her brigade are keen to drag India back to ancient rural india - where only caste matters. SAD SAD SAD !
RE:Culture Clash
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
are you advocating for dalits or UPA gov. Advocating for dalits is understandable but for UPA is nonsense. What has this congress given you past 50 years of their rule except promise. You say UPA gave welfare schemes then it is its duty to get it implemented. But this congress has given this non implemetation rule itself and corruption that you are in such position. wake up man. vote for right people, vote for right policies and not gimmicks. ask these bast*** to give you free and good education to compete with best. otherwise you will face the same situation in future.
RE:dalits & UPA
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
You critisize mayawati and other leaders who mislead dalits. You're one of the lot. All politicians are more or less the same. They are more concerned towards getting thier pound of flesh rather than upliftment of the masses. so, just drop this facade.
85% marriages intercaste!!
by vijaya kumar on Dec 26, 2006 09:57 PM Permalink
When do wnat to leave your dman caste. Where did you arrive at 85%. I want my daughter to marry who ever she likes, not to find a rampaging Dalit. Now the idiots of India want this 85% marrige reservations in the constitution?
With all the right digenesis of the problems the writer himself fails to impress upon a right solution and instead chose to fall back on reservation. by saying the following. "For the empowerment of Dalits what is needed is reservation in the private sector, filling up backlog posts, enacting the Reservation Act, land reforms, reservation in judiciary and the armed forces ...", Did he try to answer why there are reserved posts in govt depts. remains vacant, while hundred and thousands of dalit are job less. You extend the same logic and post in Pvt. sector will also remain vacant if they are reserved. Dalits are not to be served by the leader who just provide lip services and fancy and easy looking solution. We need to stress more on education and basic upliftment.
Dr. Raj rather then telling some body that on 10th floor of the building we have nice suite reserved for you, but there is no power and elevator will not work, please concentrate on making the weaker sections in our society strong fundamentally. What we need a strong hand to support and not a spoon to feed.
RE:Wrong solution
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
At one point someone can agree with your views, but on the other hand we should also understand that Mr Ambedkar himself did not follow the path of violence. He had options to take up any religion for the sake of conversion. But it was his foresight that he took to buddhism for the sake of peace and harmony as things change in the future for Dalits. Well after all the outcry of social injustice one has to understand that the path to reform is a longer process and there is already a political will within the society to untertake this. Without the liberal thinking of other castes and religions it was not possible to sustain the reservation for so long which the great man was himself against for a prolonged period. This is not a civil war or a freedom movement, this is all about rights and a process has to be followed within the constitutional framework. Lets not forget Mr ambedkar was a Champion of the constitution himself. India is a secular country and law is equal to everyone and it should be abided. The Dalits have to stop this unnecessary violence but have to take up the cause with protests and other peaceful means. There are no excuses for violence.
RE:Dalit fury
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
the writer is very right that dalits are angry because they donot get what is promised to them .But can reservation in jobs and educational institutions solve the problem .there has been reservation in jobs and and educational institutions for long enough . don't you think that education and family planning are the two things that dalits need badly .they should be given incentives to get their children educated and incentives to people with limited family and disincentives to those with bigger families .you cannot guarantee job to every educated person but education in itself increases his / her chances of getting fruitful employment and who knows how many more sceintists and doctors may come out .it is only which brings out the real person .
The dalits have only themselves to blame. After taking away the legitimate right to employment and education of eligible high caste persons, they still are crying for more.
In any case, if you deal with quota employees in government, they are highly corrupt, disorganised and useless. They never do anything without taking bribes.
what udit raj is doing is shouting lies so loudly that they seem like the truth, over time
RE:The Dalit question
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
First of all we should stop using the word Dalit. They are illiterate and poor. Political leaders keep calling these poor people Dalits for political benefits and out of hunger for power. Make them literate by enforcing compulsory education for all children in the country. Secondly provide them jobs with out reservation. In Government jobs dont give anybody out of turn promotions. Promotions are only based on merits. By this you solve many issues arising out of out of turn promotion for SCs and STs. There is no SC or ST. All are human beings. Imbibe good moral values in each and every student right from childhood. Change in eating habits, change in living style make a lot of good for these prople. Dont call them Dalits any more. Jai Hind
RE:Dont call them Dalits
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
How many inter-caste or inter-religious marriages are there in your family?
