Hi folks, Why are so many people raising their blood pressure, because someone is not singing this song? There are so many other higher priority things that you are not supposed to do, before thinking of why someone is not singing this song. Someone not singing this song does not mean he is a traitor. Also someone who sings cannot be branded a patriot. If you want to follow this logic, are you ready to agree that every useless politician (politician is synonymous to useless:)) is a nation lover, because he hoists Indian flag.
Folks, in India, the priority is in the order of self interest, then community interest, regional interest, and then if something remains, National Interest. This is true for EVERY INDIAN. At the bottom of the heart, you agree with me. This is what our politicians have taught us.
RE:Why create furore???
by indian on Aug 25, 2006 08:30 PM Permalink
go ahead and keep praying to allah, dont bow to your mother land, then allah will beat you with a stick!!!.. allah is soo insecure that if he sees you praying someone other than him, he will start crying!!!.. all nonsense.. these guys dont ever learn.. they think god as some hardtask master who will be looking at you all the time trying to find a chance to hit you.. he gets great satisfaction out of this... does god is a such a sadist!!!.. keep fearing god!!!..
"Vande Matram" means I "worship" my mother. The problem is with the word "Vandana" or "worship". The basic concept of worship in Islam is dedicated to the Almighty and only Almighty. Coz if a persons worships anybody other than the Almighty, he or she ceases to be a muslim. Refraining from chanting VM does not mean I do not love my country. I love my country as much as I love my mother, but I do not "worship" my mother, and I will refrain from saying that too!! Does not at all mean that the deserved reverence to my mother or my country is going less by any means!!
Does somebody know a Japanese Muslim? Interested to know how he would greet a teacher or colleague or his parents.
I just cannot believe that no Muslim ever learnt Karate (There must be thousands of black belts). If a Karate student does not bow before his master, think of the consequences.... anterior and posterior included!
Bowing is good. It is an excercise. It adds to the flexibility of your body. You wont hit your forehead against a door frame.
As a matter of fact, the people who had to bow the most were the people from the desert region, where Islam has its origin. They had to bow their heads against the high sandy winds, yes before a natural force, to protect themselves from eyesfull of sand. Did it mean any disrespect Allah? (Sure, dont say that they all wore sunglasses!!).
Periods change, occasions change, nationality..blood...what you eat & drink..how you talk..how you dress..how you lust (ask Osama!) everything changed. Change with the winds of time
Seeing your name I never guessed earlier that you could be a Muslim...perhaps now I understand why your previous postings were highlighting Hamas and its likes as Azad Hind Fauj of India etc..(for Perils of Israel Model written by Praful Bidwai)
Good Going Man...we "need" people like "you" here...
RE:The problem with VM
by Shankar on Aug 25, 2006 05:21 PM Permalink
Mr. Sameer,
Your Islam and Allah needs to reform themselves. leave the stupid 7th century mentality. What the hell your allah is doing there in heaven(?). It's time to reform or scrap the cult...
RE:The problem with VM
by Sameer on Aug 25, 2006 04:46 AM Permalink
Hi Joseph, I agree that bowing is good! In fact we do bow! and we muslims bow more than anybody else, FYI. To quantify, it is anywhere between 17 to 30 times a day, without fail, and that too at least for a minute each time.By the way,we prostarte too the same number of times each day. Still wondering? Yes that is when we pray! where it is required the most. Things are cystal clear in Islam! And by the way, a japanese when greets anybody or when a person greets in karate, he does not intend to "worship" the other, for sure!
Things do change,Joseph but the oxygen content in atmosphere is till 21%, 2 + 2 still make four and the Sun is exactly at the same distance from our earth and these things will remian so till the end of the times!!
RE:The problem with VM
by Joseph Maprayil on Aug 29, 2006 02:49 PM Permalink
Dear Shankar/Indian,
Your outbursts against Sameer's posting are mean and ridiculous. All religions have theirown short comings and drawbacks. Since religion is man made, same is the case with Gods too!
Being educated people, do any one of you (incl Sameer) think that there can be many gods (or any god?). Now consider that there is a god. Can different people can reasonably have different gods? If it is so, there are big fights going on in heavens (or in hell, as some gods must be there by now). There is then no harm their followers fighting and killing each other.
Accept that god exists. It is only natural that people of different culture, language & demographic background have different images of the god (Now this image is not a physical one, Sameer!). West Asian Gods cannot be like Indian Gods just because of the fact that the people are different. So a better way would be to see your own god through the native gods. Like chanting Hare Krishna Hare Rama Rama, I can offer obescience to Jesus or Jehova or Allah.
Best thing is just do not have any gods. If you have one, do not fight and finish each other. Once humanity is gone, so would be gods.
Vande Mataram was the soul of our Independence. How can we defer it? The people who are saying that its recital is not mandatory can after some time say that recital & paying tribute to National Anthem is also not mandatory. Its not the question of mandatory, it senses to pay the tribute.
I strongly condemn those people who can't say Vande Mataram, they should not be given the citizenship of India, b'coz they can't bow in front of their motherland. Shame on them.
Dr. Rajendra Prasad, who was presiding over the Constituent Assembly on January 24 1950, made the following statement, which was also adopted as the final decision on the issue of national anthem:
The composition consisting of words and music known as Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem of India. The song Vande Mataram, which has played a historic part in the struggle for Indian freedom, shall be honored equally with Jana Gana Mana and shall have equal status with it.
Those who do not sing "Vande Mataram..." should be tried for treason since they are refusing to sing the national song which is equal in status of the national anthem. Just to say "Leave the country" is not enough!
We are Muslims & we are Proud to be INDIANS. Islam teaches to protect the homeland in which an individual is born & lives. We love our motherland INDIA.
India is one of the biggest democratic country in the world & as such its citizens should not be forced to sing or recite a particular song. Instead it should be left to the individual to sing or not to sing, every person is free to perform his freedom of expression.
Those who say that one who doesn't sing vande mataram are traitors, for them let me remind patriotism doesn't come by singing a particular song, patriotism is something which is in our blood & heart. History is best proof that muslims are given their blood to this country whenever the situation demands. Infact muslim have played an integral & important role in the freedom strugle of india.
Those politcical parties who are making hue and cry to make it mandatory are doing so only to gain political mileage and to appease a particular section of people. By wasting time & creating trouble in the parliment on such issue's. They are wasting crores of rupees of tax payers instead of concentrating on the growth & development of this country. By A True Indian
RE:We Love our Motherland INDIA
by bipin on Aug 28, 2006 12:56 PM Permalink
"History is best proof that muslims are given their blood to this country whenever the situation demands. Infact muslim have played an integral & important role in the freedom strugle of india."...and what about their role in the partition of India??
Vande Mataram is our national spirit, our spirit of unity irrespective of religion. Those who feel guilty of singing Vande Mataram never be a Indian and can do any harm to our nation for sure. People who support, encourage and justify this also never be an Indian which is horrible. Just for the sake of VOTE and sophisticated life, with out care about our nations health and wealth, our political parties and leaders are encouraging these kind of people and spoiling our nation, who can even sell us. Infact there is no surprise even if another partition happen in india, since we have great political leaders like mulayam singh, arjun singh and some irresponsible congress leaders. Definitely its not required for the italian born sonia gandhi to care about us, but the true indian congress men should understand about this. I'm really surprised such a statement from one of the union minister of INIDA which is really a shame for us. For sure arjun singh's statement will boost people who involved in activities against India, which they can shelter them for VOTE. Whatever the religion, if you are in India, should be an Indian, otherwise just go out from India, WHO CARES!!!!!!!
