I was shocked to know you had to go through such an experience, since I myself had never heard that this kind of discrimination existed, atleast in Urban societies. I feel there is a long way to go before we Indians can claim ourselves to be global citizens. I hope every person who reads this article understands the intent behind this and takes an initiative to being tolerant towards other religion and bring out Universal Brotherhood in its true sense, that we Indians have been falsely proclaiming without practicing it.
RE:Caste Discrimination
by Amit Shesh on Apr 13, 2006 12:32 AM Permalink
Dude, what is this "global citizen"? Nobody is a global citizen (except maybe air hostesses or pilots). I don't even know since when being global citizens became our goal! Not even the most democratic nations have "global citizens".
To a very large extent I agree with the muslim gentleman. Muslims in India feel alinated because some Hindus want to treat them as a different people....and still others just dont care.
I have never seen sikhs living in ghettos or christians doing the same. They feel secure. Muslims are especially targeted in riots. I have seen the police joining the whole tamasha.
But it would be wrong to blame only the Hindus. I have seen various hues and colours from the Muslim side too. I too have lost friends in a hindu-muslim riot. Hindus too feel the pain when their near and dear ones are killed.
Its not about India being bad.....I have seen Hindus go to the gulf and to US....and then compare. They say.....Muslims are allowed to build mosques and preach in London & New York even after 9/11 Al Quida strikes.....but if a single muslim tries to convert to christianity in Afghanistan.....the government gives him the death sentence. The King of Saudi Arabia can give huge donations to build the Jama Masjid......but a small temple in UAE is not tolerated.
Yes, I too believe that Islam is a religion of peace and brotherhood. But do most muslims actually practice what is preached???
Eveyone sacrificed lives for freedom of this country like hindu,sikh & muslims and country has secular constitution.It will be better for Hindus to change their mindsets towards minorties as borders cannot be redrawn.Blaming Muslims for every other problem will not resolve issues but it will be better to integrate Muslims in mainstream by uplifting their status and pverty.This thing must be understood by RSS,Advani and Shiv sena.
RE:Hindus must change their mindsets
by Rajeev on Apr 13, 2006 04:09 PM Permalink
Now, you are talking like a congress man. Wake up to reality brother.
RE:Hindus must change their mindsets
by xyz on Apr 13, 2006 08:35 PM Permalink
Mr.Stupid Harjinder.... First you learnt to think and then check for yourself if u have a mind of your own and not be a public-loudspeaker shouting what others blindly tell. The words like Minority,poverty,upliftment and so on are all of those wretched politicians and don't make a big hue and cry with those words... Donot ever dare to just bluntly say anything in this country.
Hi Dear Friend, I am sorry to read your view, it might be a tru story which happend with you, but that's not at all the real feelings all over india. You should know that your this type of letter will create more & more gap between muslim and non-muslim. If someone talks about muslim being in main-stream or secularism in india, so I want them to know - This contry has a Muslim President, Sikh Prime Minister, A Cristian Most worful lady ( sonia gandhi ), that too in a country where majority is hindu. I myself belong to Aligarh, where I have seen Hindu-Muslim riots before my eyes, its not that Hindu burn muslim people's house, it vice-versa also. But the point is that This is not a general phenomenum, but wrong doing of some people or some political games. I still know hindu people, who save muslim people & vice-versa. So Please in future, before writing such article, think not 2 times but 100 times as what good you are doing to any single individual in this beautiful contry. India is on the grow in every aspect of life. please don't try to pull it back with these small thinking issues..
RE:sorry to read this your views
by DTR on Apr 11, 2006 09:51 PM Permalink
What's your point buddy?
If majority Indians are hindus and the President and Sonia are non-hindus, who elected them?
I would assume, it's hindus. Why?
Post of President is powerless, and when Sonia was ready to become prime minister, Hindu gangsters were instantly against that. Hindu women were even ready to shave their hair off to oppose that.
RE:you said it just right!
by Sindhuja Mishra on Apr 13, 2006 09:32 AM Permalink
You are absolutely correct when you say the trend in India is for everybody to hate everybody else! People are very, very highly insecure and don't trust anybody. There is a huge mutual distrust based on everything from religion, caste, sect, sub-sect, money, landholdings, colour (different shades of browns!!) and anything that can be a reason enough to destroy and butcher each other!! All fighting each other and trying to bring each other as down as possible! Like roaches.
Because I am muslim
by Dinesh on Apr 11, 2006 08:27 PM Permalink
... Even in north india's delhi it is punjabi vs non pujabis, then within punjabis , it is refugee punjabis vs rest of punjabis, then rest of the pujabis vs sikhs, wihin sikhs it is khatris vs non khatris, then again refugess vs jats , then jat vs bhoprais, then agisn one with diff sort of pagres etc etc et...
But the problem is that only muslims will start beating chest and shouting that its happening because the are muslim. (remember Azahar)
RE:sorry to read this your views
by true indian on Apr 13, 2006 06:21 PM Permalink
hello Hudson,
You are talking about caste system moving away from main topic.People may belong to different castes but they have no problem when someone from other caste is their neighbour.Can you pls help this country by convincing ur fellow hindus to change their mindset and work for upliftment and integration of poor muslims. Donot compare what muslims are doing in other countries as those donot have secular constitution.
Before making any comments why don't you actually sit and analuze that in India discrimination is at all level and practically every baody hates everybody.you yourself has said maharshtrian won't find house in gujarati locality, within maharashtrians they discriminate brahamin vs. non brhaamin, thn there are kolis vs rest of them etc etc etc...
Even in north india's delhi it is punjabi vs non pujabis, then within punjabis , it is refugee punjabis vs rest of punjabis, then rest of the pujabis vs sikhs, wihin sikhs it is khatris vs non khatris, then again refugess vs jats , then jat vs bhoprais, then agisn one with diff sort of pagres etc etc et...
I will give you my exmple I'm a hindu from meerut(notorious for communal riots), but i have soft corner for any body from western up irrespective of religion, given a option i make better aquiantence with a muslim from meerut than my cast fellow from haryana or eastern up,
The problem with muslims is that they only fall for co-religionist irrespective of region this antagonise there co regionists. e.g a muslim is more vocal for Palestine than kashmirei pandits being butchered,or they are worried about iraq then indians in FIJl
Dear Mr. Ashraf, How would you expect muslims to be in mainstream when they r the ones who have made their boundries from mainstream. Even living in Independent India for Last 59 Years Till now they r having their seperate law which they have demanded.
And this is only one of the things where you people have made boundries from main stream india
You have indeed had a sorry experience. But isn't it the same the other way round. Hindus in muslim dominated areas live in fear as well. Why? This is a question better answered by those nuts sitting in Delhi playing with your and my life. And we play to their tunes very efficiently. Hasn't the muslim community turned itself into a vote bank rigging elections in favor of the despicable. Although, muslims form about one fifth of the Indian population, they still want to go with the minority tag. Hindus are no villains, and neither muslims are. So why demand a special status. I want to ask a question here. How much bloodshed has hindus been a part of for wrong depiction of their gods and goddesses across the world. One cartoon was enough to flame the entire world. It is this intolerance that hindus are scared of.
It is an endless debate so why bring up such sensitive issues. It will flame pages and leave ashes. No tangible results will be obtained out of it.
I agree with what you said.ButYou seem to be thoroughly prejudiced against the Hindu community (Though you claim not to be)The situation you gave is true for all localities. Let a Hindu try and buy a property in the muslim dominated areas of Hyderabad. You will see what happens. And for your information, the poor people who were hindus and staying in these areas (like Moghulpura, Barkas etc in Hyd, were either threathened to leave the areas or simply convert to Islam)If they did not do that the entire familes were put to death, findout the facts for yourself. Though this a very glaring example of Muslim domination, I dont blame all muslims for that, but blame political parties Like MIM (Majlis-e-Ittehadul-Muslimeen) who have made these localities out of bounds for non-muslims.
