We can't trust US in totality. From the hostory, it has been very clear that US has not helped India as it helped PAK. Knowingly PAK is a rougue contry, US has been pumping billions of dollars in military and other Aids. As every one knows PAK will use these only against India and none else. So main intention of US is put a break into Indias advancement and see that we don't emerge as a super power in the years to come. Rest every thing is eye wash. And our Cong leaders fallen a trap into this tactics.
It is absurd to have a punishment plan if India tests a Nuclear Device from within its own non-civilian technology. Incase we do test, the consequences could result in a total loss of the huge investment. If this is not NPT by the back door, what is?
Besides, till date the Govt has not indicated what will be the price of the power so produced (give the fact the investment is so high). What will be the break even?. Will it be economically viable for the aam aadmi?
RE:Nuclear Deal
by ravi prakash on Jul 14, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
I agree. India has not signed the NPT saying that it is discriminatory. India claims to be a non proliferator by having its own moratorium on further nuclear testing.But India, seeks to reserve the option of nuclear testing at our own will. We have chosen the particular corner to anchor our foreign policy and international relations. The big question is: Is it serving any useful purpose? The answer seems to be NO since: The reading of India's position by the Superpowers has been to deny the status of a nuclear weapon state to India thereby attracting the stamp of a proliferator of nuclear weapons. Contrast the same with Iran. It signed the NPT, but pursues a nuclear weapons programmes and may even test its missile capability- all warlike acts. Even better is Pakistan, a complete nuclear proliferator who subscribes to no international norms and merrily tests missiles and even nuclear bombs. Korea has also signed the NPT and pursues a nuclear weapons programme and what about China that has been stockpiling nuclear missiles in complete disregard of International norms. In our corner we stand alone completely vulnerable to a joint diplomatic initiative by the Allies who dominate nuclear technology, weapon research, nuclear fuel and incidentally civilian nuclear power generation. The cost of the deal is going to be enormous. 45 nuclear power generating stations, and Rs 10/ unit at the grid. This could mean around Rs 12 or 15 /unit for the consumer.
5. We cannot simply hate USA or any country in the world. When Russia was strong India sided with Russia and not with US. But now, US is the only super power and we should maintain good relation with US and also Russia. USA developed country and not required to depend upon any country, but India is developing country and we need every possible help from others. Just because of the past (History), if we are hating US, the loser is India only not US. Because for US there us another option Pakistan. And Pakistan is always eagerly waiting for a chance. If we miss this chance to sign the deal, Pakistan may get the same deal in future; already it has the same deal with China. If we get this deal done, not only nuclear technology and aslo we can grab many latest military weapons from US. If we miss this chance, obviously Pakistan will get more military cooperation with US.
6. Congress also is same as BJB. BJB is opposing the deal because of politics. Once Communist started opposing the nuclear deal with full force, Sonia and other congress memebers did not want to go for Nuclear deal just because to remain in Power. But Manmohan threatened to step down and no other way for Congress. We cannot simply forget how much Manmohan contributed for Indian economy growth. And he is well educated than Sonia and Advani and he has very good knowledge on foreign policy and had worked in many departments. He will not simply want to sign the deal without understanding the benefit of this deal. BJ
Very well said. But our country is full of selfish people who only thinks for own benefit and does not think for the country. Those traitors and morons should be publicly hanged.
RE:Think beyond Politics.
by naresh pant on Jul 14, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
well said.but the people of india can't understand tha same.We should proud we have leader like manmohan singh in our country.
3. The same Communist opposed when India opened the Market in 1991 by Manmohan Sing under Narasimha Rao. And communist opposed when computer field came to India and they said computer and the open market will take out the jobs of Indians. But because of Open Market and Computer Indians are shining all over the world, and we are able to achieve 8.5% growth from 4%. And we grabbed crores of computer jobs from many countries. The Communist would oppose everything related to US even if India gets benefit, they will not worry. They are very
4. In our Asia region China is the main thread for us in every field. China did the same Nuclear deal with US even though they are communist and they are smart enough to grab all the opportunities from US. But China is not supporting our Nuclear deal with US. India's so called enemies Pakistan and China are the only the Major countries are not supporting our Nuclear deal with US. Do you think Pakistan and China will support India because we will not get benefit through this Nuclear deal with USA?. China and Pakistan do not want India to get Nuclear technologies from world countries and they are fearing on this, that is why they oppose. Indian communist party will not do anything against China and China uses the Indian Communist party to collapse the deal. Now what is the difference between Indian communist party and China towards India.
1. The Nuclear deal talk was initiated by the BJB Govt. And Brajesh Mishra was the key person who prepared the deal and got approved by Vajbayee and Jaswant Singh. They thought that they will come back to power and sign the deal. But congress came to power and continues the same nuclear deal talks. But the same BJB opposed the same deal which they prepared just because of Congress will get the Benefit if the deal is done by congress. Vajbayee never opposed the deal, but helpless because of Advani. And Brajesh Mishra openly supporting the deal. He proves that he is above politics. BJB's Forighn policy was completely lead by Brajesh, but now BJB disowns him. And Brajesh is well educated and has wast knowledge in the foreign policy than any one in BJB.
2. Dr. Abdul Kalam was supported by BJB for his president post, the Congress and the Left opposed him. But he strongly supports the nuclear deal irrespective of Congress/BJB, since he is not the ordinary politician. Every body knows he is the Father of Indian Nuclear test. And he is one of the best Indians and best President. He knows in and out of Nuclaer deal and the necessity of the Nuclear power. Do you think he will lead India to wrong path?.
RE:Think beyond Politics.
by Hebbar R on Jul 14, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
If it was indeed the BJP that initiated the Nuclear Deal, why is the Congress wanting to take the full credit for it now?? Could they not have taken the BJP into confidence while negotiating the deal? Remember PV Narasimha Rao, who deputed Vajpayee (the then Leader of Opposition) to the United Nations to Represent India??? Why is the Congress treating opposition parties as enemies and not as political opponents? Now that they need support they are trying to reach out. Can the Congress be trusted then?
Requesting everyone to think on Nuclear deal irrespective of any Politics. Every Indian politician alwayas will think only on the benefit of their party not on the benefit of our Nation. Whether it is Congress or BJB or Communist. Every politicians are same except a very few leaders like Vajbayee, Manmohan Sing, Dr. Abdul Kalam and very few.
Please read the analysis/observation below and try to understand the reality:
1. The Nuclear deal talk was initiated by the BJB Govt. And Brajesh Mishra was the key person who prepared the deal and got approved by Vajbayee and Jaswant Singh. They thought that they will come back to power and sign the deal. But congress came to power and continues the same nuclear deal talks. But the same BJB opposed the same deal which they prepared just because of Congress will get the Benefit if the deal is done by congress. Vajbayee never opposed the deal, but helpless because of Advani. And Brajesh Mishra openly supporting the deal. He proves that he is above politics. BJB's Forighn policy was completely lead by Brajesh, but now BJB disowns him. And Brajesh is well educated and has wast knowledge in the foreign policy than any one in BJB.
2. Dr. Abdul Kalam was supported by BJB for his president post, the Congress and the Left opposed him. But he strongly supports the nuclear deal irrespective of Congress/BJB, since he is not the ordinary politician. Every body knows he is the Father of Indian Nuclear test. And he is one of the best Indians and be
RE:Think beyond Politics.
by Priya Patel on Jul 14, 2008 08:26 AM Permalink
As long as you guys do not know that it is BJP and not BJB do not even attempt to comment on serious issues with show of such wisdom!
I would suggest that coming close to US is not bad, infact it is best for India.This deal doesn't forces us to buy from US.This deal strengthens us from bullying of china and pakistan. This deal will bring world sole super power close to us.
Earlier we never had choice to get cutting edge american technologies. ( See all soviet equipment have fared badly in wars ..like in middle east and in arab state -- where israle destroyed them easily). I am not saying all of them are bad but judicious choice would be in india's advantage. China has signed 123 agreement but was using indian communist to oppose deal. Now china is following in line and can not risk antagonizing india as india has a strong friend.
Otherside of the coin -- Close to Iran will not yield India much. Iran's gas field is depleting and also Iran has blamed India for not complying with NPT that it has signed and is violating. (Where as India has never signed NPT etc). Iran cancelled deals for ONGC and other indian companies, cancelled Indian contracts (long term)and who knows it will again stop selling gas thru pipeline. Middle East / or so called OIC countries have always sided with pakistan despite India always tried walking a fine external policy appeasing these country. OIC regularly takes pakistan's side despite India having larges muslim population (other than indo nesia).
so THINK! all these restrictions can be better manipulated and handled if we have the deal...rather than no deal. then Franc
RE:This deal is best what we could get and is better than nothing
by bittua ratan on Jul 14, 2008 03:22 AM Permalink
I have been reading this for some time now. Can anyone tell me when US has done anything good for other nation?? They export food to AfricA BUT ALL those needs to be US wheat transported in US carrier.The Indo Us deal is a diasater for India. It is not in the best interest of this country. SOoner or later it will come out. The timing right now is to thwart the indo-iran gas arrangement. We here tend to blame everything on Pakistan and we forget at the same time that pakistan is a US client state and Musharaf US chamcha.It is not in the US interest to see the both country coming together. They are playing the divide and rule. ISI gets its funds,arms and training from the CIA. Can anyone deny it?
It is like the Iran contra of the 80s. I think people in both these countries need to mature and work for a better tomorrow and try to understand the realty. We have plenty of intellectuals and they need to wake up from their sleep.
Definitely this deal is not in the interests of india as this will create our dependency over US for Nuclear energy and thwarts our progress in carrying out cut edge thorium research already going.Also it will hamper our deal with iran for a pipeline carrying gas.India has to vote against Iran in Un security council against IRAN.Building nuclear reactors will cost us very more and all our nuclear reactors come under IAEA safeguards.US will come to know abiout our nuclear reactors which are civilian or non-civilian.fissionable material cannot be used in non-civilian reators without US consent.Treaty can be abondoned any time by US if it wants.It can demand all the supplies from India also. Nuclear energy only contributes about 5% of indias security needs and even if we get full nuclear energy from US wecan only utilize some % of it because we donot have the material goods to use nuclear energy as we cannot have cars,buses running on nuclear enery,we cannot have full MW electricity generated form nuclear energy as it needs reactor to build and reactors right now are only at some places . we need to build new reactors but that will take time also it has security aspects related to it. if we will develop our own indigenous technology in India regarding Nuclear energy then it will be great. also we can sell it to other nations(only civilian nuclear energy) and get some profit.
RE:India-US nuclear deal
by G S on Jul 14, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
No Sir ..this deal wis good it will not block our research. They have no issue of what we do in our military units. We will still do our reasearch..but we will not wait for thorium research (if our scientist takes years) ..instead we can move ahead in plutonium and Uranium energy cycle. We will have more power generation capacity and then cost etc is matter of time .. when economy grows we will paying higher cost for higher return. Aren't we paying higher gas prices then we used to..
some time back, france came forward to deal with ind on the n-deal. that time, usa asked ind not to go further with france. if ind can get the desired benefit by deal with french then y to insist for n-deal with usa only. is usa bribing our govt to sabotage our own economy?
RE:what abt deal with france
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 14, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
- The deal is not with USA only. All transactions would be allowed after IAEA agreement and NSG nod.
Given India's domestic uranium production recently run so low that it's had to reduce the power production level of its civilian reactors significantly. India also needs foreign uranium because its own uranium production has remained relatively flat...
Given India's uranium ore crunch, it is to India's advantage to clinch the deal to categorize as many power reactors as possible as civilian ones to be refueled by imported uranium and conserve our native uranium fuel for weapons grade plutonium production!!
