Hindu Vedic Scriptures & BHAGAVADGEETHA, Holy Bible etc scriptures affirm this: Everything & everyone in this world is GOD, but its just that the individual doesnot realize this truth. God is not limited to a particular place or location or a person, but is an allpervading divinity that has no beginning, no end or no middle & is existent with in the creation as well as beyond the creation. Due to the illusion caused by Maya or Saitan or Satan or the duality of the nature, the ever present all pervading divinity appears to be divides & independent & this is an illusion, while there is only one thing when you are higly enlightened. Below thing applies to individuals who are in the process of regaining the initial state of oneness: 1. in the initial stages, the individual(be it human or animal or any other individuality) perceives the GOD or Divinity as some power that is located in a place or limited to a body & thus see GOD OR DIVINITY in a temple or Mosque or Church or IDOL or even in a ideal or principle as in the case of Atheist. 2.In the intermediary stages, the same individual perceives oneself as part & parcel of the universalness or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD. Examples of this stage are like seeing or perceiving GOD as Mother or as Father or as a Master or some other entity who includes the individuality. 3.In the third & final stages, the individual perceives no difference between the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD & THE SELF.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
Hey prakash: I am not comparing the so called adulterated version of Christian teachings to Vedas. I am comparing the original words of Lord Jesus Christ to that of Vedas and that of Lord Krishna's Geetha. Infact, who are we to do this comparison. The oneness of these is declared by those who had realized the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY and THOSE WHO HAD FREED SELF FROM THE CLUTHCES OF LIFE AND DEATH, DISEASES and FREED FROM THE SLAVERY TO THE NATURE, rather than those who had half-knowledge of the world. Hey, this is the interesting part of Vedas. Vedas are so comprehensive that even an atheist way of seeing the world can be accommodated,since GOD is not limited to a particular palce or idol or individual,but can even be seen in athought or idea or literally any entity or thought that the mind can perceive.If the mind want to perceive the world as beyond the creation & beyond the bondages fo nature, Vedas allow that as well,since the DIVINITY IS INFINITE THAT HAS NO CHANGE.
It depends on what you mean by GOD,if you want to deny it or if you want to accept it.If you say GOD is Idol or particular individual, some may accept it &some may not,but if you declare that GOD is ALL PERVADING AND IS WITH IN & BEYOND THE CREATION, then there is nothing anyone can do,other than accept it. Its the different levels of realization of GOD that makes people see GOD diffrently. For example,if you are on top of building, you see everything, but if you are below, then you only get partial views.
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:10 AM Permalink
All I know is that god is the biggest psycho, serial killer and mass murderer! If a human being committed so many murders and tortures he committed on animal kingdom, he would be called as satan in human wo rds!
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by Avinash on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 PM Permalink
Dear Noel, the religious fanatics cannot understand what is rationalism. Let them see the articles available on "Positive Atheism" and understand for themselves.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 27, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
Hey, wait. Every individual is given a free will to act and that freedom to act was given irrevocably. It is the individuals who misuse this free will and cross the universal laws of the creation and hence incur the suffering. On the way to enlightment, the inevitable fruit is to understand this universal laws that work at very subtle levels.
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by Noel D'Souza on Apr 29, 2008 09:07 AM Permalink
It is both Human and satan named god (if he exist and is what he is supposed to be)! meteor strikes, earth quakes, volcano eruptions were not caused by humans. Don't blame humans for evrything! After all that criminal human brain was created by god (Again based on the hypothesis he or they created us)
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:31 AM Permalink
CONTINUE: This is the highest state & anyone who attains this state can be referred to as GOD, since even though there is a body for this individual, the individual doesnot have a perception that he/she is is a body or limited, but is an unlimitedness & all pervading & ever living one.
Above states are based on a time base. Where, sometimes, the individual can experience the above stage 2 or stage 3 even for a moment if not all the time. But, still this kind of people can be seen as being known of GOD. But those who can at will attain the above 2 or 3 stages can be called as the ones who are free from the illusion of the maya or creation or Satan or Saitan. but those who are in stage 3 irrespective of time are the ones who are no different than GOD & should be treated as ALL PERVADING DIVINITY THYSELF. We see above stages in the lives of saints of all religions since time immemorial.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIVES OF SAINTS OF ALL RELIGIONS WHO ATTAINED 3rd LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT, YOU WILL FIND TO YOUR AMAZEMENT, THAT THEY ALL SPOKE OF SAME THING CALLED GOD OR PARAMATMA OR ALLAH OR HEAVENLY FATHER OR THE UNIVERSAL POWER. SO, DONOT FIGHT LIKE A FOOL IN THE NAME OF GOD. SINCE WE DONOT HAVE REACHED THE DESTINATION YET, WE ARE NOT REALIZING THE ONE & ONLY TRUTH ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF ALL PERVDING DIVINITY & ARE FIGHTING AMONG US. HOW FOOLISH IS THIS?
EVEN MODERN SCIENCE WITHIN ITS LIMITS OF MATERIAL LEVEL IS AFFIRMING THIS TRUTH BY DECLARING THAT ALL MATTER IS NOTHING BUT ENERGY
Until Rediff put it here I didnt even know that Deepak Chopra is 'under attack' form Hindu 'fundamentalists' name some priest called ZED...This news item is so funny that it starts off with "Hindu activists' but goes on talking about how Christian fundamentalists harassed Deepak Chopra....Clearly Deepak Chopra seeks the publicity in collusion with people from Rediff, so he imagines "Hindu Activists' breathing down his neck.....Strange strange news media...shame on these guys !
Not that you made a movie - thats fine, but to say you are NOT Hindu, when all you do is make a living out of selling Hinduism is hypocritical...You are simply doing a Bobby Jindal encore - disowning the very heritage that sustains you. All you did so far is sell Hindu wisdom - Upanishads, Geeta, Tagore Kabir etc..you even Hinduized Christ - the least you should acknowledge is you are Hindu. Not reading your books anymore, might as well read the originals !
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by Purohit Shastry on Apr 26, 2008 11:42 AM Permalink
Bobby Jindal became governer because he settled in USA. If his family had stayed back in India he would have been one of the many BJP losers in India doing nothing but spreading hatred.
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
If I had talents of Deepak C I would sell Jesus! I beleive in only one god! That is the power of money whatever color it is! It is only a matter of time when money can buy everything and you don't need master card for every thing else!
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by Avinash on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
Dear Noel, the churches and other wholesale and retail dealers of Christianity are doing exactly the same thing. And of course the likes of Mr. Deepak Chropra sell the ancient Indian culture peacemeal to the half-literate Americans in new packages!
Some time back I had read the book "The Monk who sold his Ferrari" by Rboin Sharma. I really wonder whether anybody had asked him how many Sadhus of 200 or 300 years are living in the Himalayas. The maximum life span of humanbeing is 120 years and there is no way of prolonging the same (many people may be aware of the late shipping magnate, Onasis who tried every trick (including avoiding being photographed) to prolong his life but without any success!
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by Kris iyer on Apr 26, 2008 08:30 AM Permalink
Deepak, Your points are good. They are the reasons why Hindus feel hurt. Chopra and Jindal are both kicking the ladder on which they came up. I have seen this amongst many overseas Indians, ALL from a Hindu background doing this. In S'pore too ambitious Indians, will stop identifying themselveds as Hindus, keep away from religious functions and so on. Some of them will lecture Hindus on how to "forget their religion and culture to blend in with the majority Chinese culture". In other words, they go over-board. They think that only that way, non-Hindus would appreciate them. Ambition for power, position and money blinds Hindus more than any other religious group. It is sad, because Hinduism teaches in detail how a human can balance materialism, social-welfare and personal spiritual development, resulting in a strong personality. In that sense, someone like Dr.Abdul Kalam, is more of a Hindu, than many born Hindus. Chopra has not absorbed the very words and conepts he used to lecture others. His understanding of Hinduism was employed to make money - as a doctor would use medical knowledge to charge fees for his services. In this connection I find Hindus in the rural areas, who do not talk much, but in fact, understand and practise Hinduism better than us - the "educated", english-speaking crowd, living mostly in Metros. Their "sraddha", "bhakti" and grasp of "karthavya" is true Hinduism, even if they cannot lecture others like Chopra.
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by Purohit Shastry on Apr 26, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Hinduism is just an offshoot of paganism once prevailed over the world. Its basement consists of idol worship, myths and superstitions
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by Avinash on Apr 27, 2008 11:33 PM Permalink
All religions are off-shoots of paganism. Put the words "animal worship" in any internet search engine and read the result to understand how the system of worship originated. There is no difference between worshipping idols, visual aids (the Roman catholic churches call the statues of Jesus on cross, mother mary,etc so), vacuum or something else! Everything boils down to blind-faiths!
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by Bharat Kr on May 01, 2008 08:35 PM Permalink
Purohit Shastry: Who don't worship Idols? Christians wqorship idols of Jesus and Mary, muslims worship Black Stone Idol of Kabba, Buddists worship Idols of Buddha and others monks and lists goes on. Your name says two words, Purohit and Shastry. Do you know the meaning of them? I doubt, else you would not be a self-hater. Your message reflects your low self-esteem and lack of confidence. Read Swami Vivekananda, you will overcome them. May Ishwar give us sat-buddhi.
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by deepak on Apr 26, 2008 10:51 PM Permalink
Idol worship is great...its the ultimate symbolism and enables man to have the presence of God right next to him. In the absence of idol worship you tend to worship corpses in graves like Muslims do in mazars, sing dance, get high on marijuana and ask the dead guy for babies. Christians especially Catholics are close in that they worship dead saints to intervene between man and God. Idol worship is the natural way to go, corpse worship borders on witchcraft and hence not good.
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by Exposse on Apr 27, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
Muslims consider absence those who worship corpses in graves as idol worshippers too.You will not find this practiced among Muslims except in indian subcontinent. Even the muslims claim that they are not worshping the corpse but only treating him as the mediator-This attitude clearly is an attitude of paganism
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by deepak on Apr 28, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
Expose lies...Worship of Graves is Big thing even in Bagdad the mazar of Abdul Kader Jilani...Corpse are worshipped in both Islam and Christianity...indeed Jesus dead and hanging from a corpse is also a corpse..so its clear that a beautiful thing as worship of God thru Idols has created Corpse worshipping cults..BTW if grave worship is not allowed in Islam then why are not the fatwas forthcoming???? is it because these are billion dollar industries?? why are bin Laden and islamic heroes so silent on this, whereas they want to kill all other infidels???
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by desperate guy on Apr 28, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
Dear deepak... How did you know there were no fatwas issued against grave worshipping? what is your "source of information?" or do you have a magic ball in which you can see everything happening all over the world every moment??..Please don't jump in the pool with half knowledge and predecided mentality of attacking...talk some sense... BTW..again what makes you think that Bin laden or other Islamic Heroes represent total Islam? Bin laden is not even a Scholar ( or Mulla in your words )...He is just a rebelion who found vent to his anger against America in jehad...He is not an authority on Islam.
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by Kris iyer on Apr 27, 2008 08:04 AM Permalink
Deepak, Many think an "idol" is the "human-like" figure and somehow "bad". In middle-eastern religions, they go for a "book", prayers written in Arabic script, symbols like the "crescent star" or "a cross" a place of worship that can only look one way, with minarets or spires, a direction in which to turn to pray, a mausoleum (a grave) which has to "look" in a certain way. Christians have statutes of Jesus, as well as Mary and the Child. My question is: Why shd all these "substitutes" be seen as NOT IDOLS ? As far as the human brain goes, everyone of them is an "idol" that carry the same objections as the "idol" with a human likeness. Incidentally, the term "idol" is not the right term for us. "Vigraha" = "Source of the Victory of the House" the term used in Hindu Agamas and Grihya Sutras for the "Mool Devata" conveys the sense of "here is the focus or source of the divine in this Graha or house". Therefore, it is identified as the link, a Sethu for human thoughts and prayers. In that sense, it is a great help. So, on deeper inquiry, some of these superficial criticisms of Hinduism disappear.
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by Samosachat on Apr 29, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
WEll said Kris Iyer. You have articulated so well what I wanted to say. Keep your posts coming. Some of the ambitious Hindus behave so shamefully because of the inferiority complex created by western educated Pseudo seculars and Colonialists of the past. I cant imagine how gullible weterners are when they fall for waht Chopra is dishing out using Hinduism. They pay like $1000 per lecture. I am so ashamed of Deepak Chopra.
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by deepak on Apr 26, 2008 10:05 AM Permalink
Kris, reading your good post only two things come to mind that may be appropriate here...centuries of subjugation which resulted in Hindus evolving into a compact nation, and the peculiar brand of secularism that is now in India. Even attaining super economic status can restore self dignity.
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
Dude! The world is all about making money! History has shown that people have murdered their own children when it comes to power! All Deepak Chopra is doing is selling Hinduism for few dollars more! I bet you would do the same if you had his deceptive talents! Don't get sentiomental about religion. All religions are mafia anfd full of crap. If you want to believe in devine powers, believe in them independent of religion!
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:19 AM Permalink
My gut feeling is that god spends all his time in a strip club hogh on dope! They should ban marijuana in heaven or hell wherever the shit he is! That's why there is so much sorrow all over the world!
Points: "Dr Chopra says he does not consider himself a Hindu and that has been his spiritual position for over 25 years....His interest in the spiritual side of Hinduism and traditional Indian medicine evolved while observing a mind-body connection in his research, and an encounter in 1985 with the Maharishi at a DC conference, he has said." What contradictory and confusing a person, Dr Gupta. He said, he don't consider himself a Hindu, but again talked on his interest on spiritual side of Hinduism and Indian medicine. Please be honest Dr Gupta, it is Hindu or Sanatan or Vedic dharma that shaped your career and personality. How can you detach spirituality of Hinduism and Indian medicine (Ayurveda) and Yoga (from your Guru Maharshi Mahesh Yogi) from Hindu or Sanatan Dharma? What credit you want to take out of what? Are you ashamped to call yourself a Hindu or a follower of Sanatan dharma, when you make your life on it? I think, Dr Gupta perhaps suffering from a inferiority complex disease, for which there is no medicine in Dr Gupata's medical science but in Hindu/Sanatan spirituality only. Please remove your name Deepak (a Hindu Vedic Sanskrit word) from name and then see, how much you can sale yourself. Remove Yoga, ayurveda, vedic knowledge from your work, and see where you stand. A big Zero would be the final result.
RE:Vedic Sanatan Dharma...
by tauseef khan on Jul 25, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
just tell me any Hindu script which has the word "Hindu or Hinduism mentioned in it. Did ram say or any guru say call us hindu????
RE:Vedic Sanatan Dharma is the mother of all spirituality
by Kris iyer on Apr 26, 2008 08:50 AM Permalink
Well said Bharat bhai. Our great book writer is now clearly confused. He reminds me of some Hindus I had met in my life. Usually from traditional families, they would say, "I am a 'free-thinker'". Once you find out that they are drinking, smoking, eating beef, having sex before marriage, then you know why they are "free-thinkers". One of them came to me once asking for advice with a problem he had - a sexually transmitted disease. Despite my help, his life went downhill. He had no anchor of any sort, did not feel part of his community any longer. Non-Hindus he was with enslaved him, he was an errand boy for them, lost his money and one day disappeared out of sight. Ambition and lack of self-control can destroy one - that, as I see, is the lesson to learn from Duryodhana and his brothers.
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by Purohit Shastry on Apr 26, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
Kris Iyer lying that some one came to him for advice! Only a loser will come 2 a loser for advice.lol
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by Kris iyer on Apr 26, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
You are a loser, sir, choosing an unlikely name hiding your real identity, you start with a lie absusing others like a loser fanatical in your hatred of BJP - I am not from any party a loser who cannot address points made. Pity sir, you are to be pitied. Because you know nothing better than to be angry - all the time. This person I mentioned earlier had a dog...
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by Purohit Shastry on Apr 26, 2008 11:46 AM Permalink
BJP fellows preaching about santana dharma and also spreading hatred in this site is a comedy.
RE:Vedic Sanatan Dharma is the mother of all spirituality
by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
What is wrong with free thinking! You are the way you are because your elders brain washed you completely with theories of religion and stupid god! Problem is we Indians live too long with our parents. They manipulate too much. I was raised in a similar situation but in a christian family. I have gotten over it after 2 years of moving away from my family and facing real world. All religions, religious texts are full of crap! Their rules are so contradictory that if you follow one rule you will break the other! If you want to believe in divine powers get over with your religious sentiments and culture and think independently. God himself is living in a strip club high on dope because he got tired of complaints from religious funcumentalists and traditionalists!
RE:Vedic Sanatan Dharma is the mother of all spirituality
by deepak on Apr 26, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
Usually from traditional families, they would say, "I am a 'free-thinker'".
LOL..tell me about it... I have seen so called 'socialists' & 'free thinkers' who amass tons of American money and in the same breath cuss the heck out of the very system that made it possible for them...the other is you will see these people come to pujas, and still maintain their 'free thinking' non Hindu status...Deepak Chopra, who sells what Hindu sages have said 1000s of years ago fall into the second category.
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
You are no diiferent than the Islamic Jihadists and Christian evangelists! All shooting for heaven thru religious hatred and fundumentalism! Have you ever thought how are you going to live in Moksha or heaven with each other! Enjoy your life while you are here! After you are dead, worms are going to eat your bodies! You will be recycled into a fertilizer which will be used by money mongering capitsalists to make money!
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by Noel D on Apr 27, 2008 09:32 AM Permalink
Duryodhana is just a story! Modern day duryodhana (George W bush) is living with all glory!
Indian religions are not based on fears, but on uderstanding the nature, the matter and their relationships with the universe. There are many similarities between Christianity and Indian religions, because Indian religions with Hinduism ( or Sanatan Dharma) are the core. That was explained to the West first by Raja Rammohan Roy, who has influenced some of the greatest minds of the West ( Emerson, Humboldt, Whitman and a few others).
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by Imaan on Apr 25, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Roy did his elementary education in the village school in Bengali, his mother tongue. At the age of 12, Roy went to a seat of Muslim studies in Patna where he mastered Persian and Arabic. His knowledge of Arabic enabled him to read the Koran in the original, as well as the works of Sufi saints. He also devoured Arabic translations of the works of Aristotle and Plato.
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by Imaan on Apr 25, 2008 07:20 PM Permalink
When he was 16, Roy clashed with his orthodox father on the issue of idol worship and left home. To acquaint himself with the Buddhist religion, he travelled across northern India and Tibet for the next three years. His questioning mind objected to the deification of the Buddha and this did not go down well with some of the lamas. He then visited Varanasi where he learnt Sanskrit and studied ancient Hindu scriptures.
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by Imaan on Apr 25, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Roy's understanding of the different religions of the world helped him to compare them with Vedantic philosophy and glean the best from each religion. Sufi mysticism had a great influence on Roy. He loved to repeat three of their maxims: "Man is the slave of benefits"; "The enjoyment of the worlds rests on these two points - kindness to friends and civility to enemies"; and "The way of serving God is to do good to man".
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by Imaan on Apr 25, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
Roy's efforts to abolish the practice of Sati were largely driven by his concern for the moral dimensions of religion. It was the sight of the burning of his brother's widow on her husband's funeral pyre and his inability to save her that spurred Ram Mohan into action.
He delved into the scriptures in great detail and proved that the practice of Sati could not gain moksha (salvation) for the husband as each man was responsible for his own destiny. He also realized that very often it was greedy relatives interested in the property of the dead husband who were behind promoting the practice.
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by Kris iyer on Apr 26, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
Imaan, Excellent, timely reminder on Reformer Ram Mohan Roy. Hindus shd thank him for his main reform, Sati - quite a horrible practice which was NOT, in any case, prevalent in all parts of India. Hindus have always been amenable to reasonable arguments and given up bad practises. Being a large community, it may take time. But reforms happen. That is why I advise patience when some of the postings say Hinduism and caste... this and that. From the time of the Rig Veda, Hindus have been prepared to change their customs but NOT the cored religious concepts and philosophies. But right now, the middle-eastern religions are maintaining very high pressure on Hinduism. We have no one in the "corridors of power" at NewDelhi to speak for Hindus. Any standpoint that helps Hindus to preserve their way of life is termed "communal" by this government and its leftwing supporters.
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by Nanchil on Apr 25, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
Hinduism is just an offshoot of paganism once prevailed over the world. Its basement consists of idol worship, myths and superstitions.
RE:Hinduism is the origin of all other religions
by sanjay on Apr 25, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
Be happy to live in your ignorance. Thats what the Arabs told you,no.
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by Srinivas vishnu on Apr 25, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
For your kind information, Hinduism had its roots in rituals and fire worship with vedic chants like Yagnas etc, which came from Vedas and it had not had its roots in idol worship. Upanishads condone idol worship and identify Atman and Brahman in clear terms -see Mandukopanishad translations. And Ramayana, Mahabharata etc are not Myths but stories designed to envelop the nature of Human greed and divinity, and the fight between the Good and the Bad.
RE:Hinduism is the origin of all other religions
by Noel D on Apr 30, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
If you want to boast go ahead and boast. But also remeber man came from monkeys!
If you look at the history of India, India had always been a %u201CKishkhindha %u2013 The monkey kingdom%u201D. Due to its High traditions and Great culture, (and a few Ram%u2019s ?), India had produced once in a while a few Hanumans, in spirituality or otherwise (e.g., Swami Vivekananda, Paramahamsa Yogananda, B V Raman etc), who could move mountains under their feet with faith (in themselves). But in the present situation, with Westernized culture and loss of traditions and lack of Ram%u2019s, we see Drunken monkeys (refer Godhra, Sikh roits, Maharastra roits, etc) influenced by politics and politicians, or trained monkeys which think and perform for their masters here and abroad (for peanuts). Nothing less and nothing more. What else can you expect ?
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by Readiff on Apr 25, 2008 01:14 PM Permalink
I can see that you did not understand even an iota of history and Spirituality of India. Your ignorance is your bliss... Read Swami Vivekananda's teachings with more carefully and try to understand rather than just reading.
RE:The Indian Zoo
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:36 AM Permalink
Hahaha. How ignorant you are. Please read the book Autobigraphy of a Yogi by Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda and you will find that Vedic Hinduism had produce Lord Krishna or Lord Buddha or lord Jesus Christ like saints in every generation with out fail since ages and even now, you will find such saints silently and without any showoff.
You must be deserved to know certain things and spirituuality is certainly one of this. This deserving needs a thirst to know the truth rather than riducling of others.
Here is a free online copy of thsi book and you will realize the truth of my words and you will find the true SPIRITUAL INDIA and its Magnanimous vedic spiritual treasures without fail.
wwwDOTcrystalclarityDOTcomSLASHyoganandaSLASH
Please replace DOT and SLASH words in above URL with the symbols to get the actual URL.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
Of course, even Swami Vivekananda work is also Very practical and will make us do serious soul searching rather than living life as a joke(like animals whose work is only to take birth, grow up , raise kids, then, at the end die like an incapable) under the slavery of the nature with out any serious purpose.
Various religions are handiworks of certain vested interested groups who have no faith or belief in any philosophy except that they follow whatever they call as religion, merely for their survival, comparatively in luxury on the name of God with illusions due to mere ignorance by advancing arrogance and crime merely once again to preserve their luxurious survival. Though none can challenge the Divinity we call as God, these self styled so called religious fanatics do a lot of disservice to God by misleading different groups of people taking advantage of massive immature ignorance many times giving rise to hysterical worship of some Divinity without understanding the real Divinity! Real God can be seen by rational thoughts when science and that yet to be known lead to a religion as late Dr. Einstein could see! Real Divine God is magnanimous that pleads to wipe off the tears of those of any of His creations with no disparity whatsoever, in miseries! That is the true universal religion!
YOU ARE RIGHT. "Real GOD is Magnanimous that pleads to wipe off the tears of those of any of his creations"
The more a person progresses in his or her spiritual journey as per hte above stages described, the freedom the person gains and gets rid of the slavery to the nature or creation. Just like the way a person realizes that what he is watching is after all a movie, and then sets free of self from the mood of the scenes, the individual also sets self free from the pains and pleasures by progressing in the spiritual path.
Remember what Swami Vivekananda said: "Seeing DIVINITY in a particualr place or location is just a very preliminary level of spiritual enlightment".
We cannot expect to free self from pains of the world, by being at the very preliminary level of enlightment. But when we progress towards the higher levels, we see ourselves by way of personal experiences that we are getting free from the pains (or compulsive pleasures) of the world.
Even Einstein had declared that religion and science had to go hand in hand. infact, this is what the original founders fo the religions had done. They had taught the things to the others by way of their own self experimentation and self experiences and then only taught others, rahter than by mere mugging up of the holy texts.
Please read the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" & you will find what GOD is that adheres to modern science, Bible and Vedas:
RE:The true Universal Religion!
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
CONTINUE: This is the highest state & anyone who attains this state can be referred to as GOD, since even though there is a body for this individual, the individual doesnot have a perception that he/she is is a body or limited, but is an unlimitedness & all pervading & ever living one.
Above states are based on a time base. Where, sometimes, the individual can experience the above stage 2 or stage 3 even for a moment if not all the time. But, still this kind of people can be seen as being known of GOD. But those who can at will attain the above 2 or 3 stages can be called as the ones who are free from the illusion of the maya or creation or Satan or Saitan. but those who are in stage 3 irrespective of time are the ones who are no different than GOD & should be treated as ALL PERVADING DIVINITY THYSELF. We see above stages in the lives of saints of all religions since time immemorial.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIVES OF SAINTS OF ALL RELIGIONS WHO ATTAINED 3rd LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT, YOU WILL FIND TO YOUR AMAZEMENT, THAT THEY ALL SPOKE OF SAME THING CALLED GOD OR PARAMATMA OR ALLAH OR HEAVENLY FATHER OR THE UNIVERSAL POWER. SO, DONOT FIGHT LIKE A FOOL IN THE NAME OF GOD. SINCE WE DONOT HAVE REACHED THE DESTINATION YET, WE ARE NOT REALIZING THE ONE & ONLY TRUTH ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF ALL PERVDING DIVINITY & ARE FIGHTING AMONG US. HOW FOOLISH IS THIS?
EVEN MODERN SCIENCE WITHIN ITS LIMITS OF MATERIAL LEVEL IS AFFIRMING THIS TRUTH BY DECLARING THAT ALL MATTER IS NOTHING BUT ENERGY
RE:The true Universal Religion!
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
Hindu Vedic Scriptures & BHAGAVADGEETHA, Holy Bible etc scriptures affirm this: Everything & everyone in this world is GOD, but its just that the individual doesnot realize this truth. God is not limited to a particular place or location or a person, but is an allpervading divinity that has no beginning, no end or no middle & is existent with in the creation as well as beyond the creation. Due to the illusion caused by Maya or Saitan or Satan or the duality of the nature, the ever present all pervading divinity appears to be divides & independent & this is an illusion, while there is only one thing when you are higly enlightened. Below thing applies to individuals who are in the process of regaining the initial state of oneness: 1. in the initial stages, the individual(be it human or animal or any other individuality) perceives the GOD or Divinity as some power that is located in a place or limited to a body & thus see GOD OR DIVINITY in a temple or Mosque or Church or IDOL or even in a ideal or principle as in the case of Atheist. 2.In the intermediary stages, the same individual perceives oneself as part & parcel of the universalness or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD. Examples of this stage are like seeing or perceiving GOD as Mother or as Father or as a Master or some other entity who includes the individuality. 3.In the third & final stages, the individual perceives no difference between the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD & THE SELF.
Hindu Vedic Scriptures & BHAGAVADGEETHA, Holy Bible etc scriptures affirm this: Everything & everyone in this world is GOD, but its just that the individual doesnot realize this truth. God is not limited to a particular place or location or a person, but is an allpervading divinity that has no beginning, no end or no middle & is existent with in the creation as well as beyond the creation. Due to the illusion caused by Maya or Saitan or Satan or the duality of the nature, the ever present all pervading divinity appears to be divides & independent & this is an illusion, while there is only one thing when you are higly enlightened. Below thing applies to individuals who are in the process of regaining the initial state of oneness: 1. in the initial stages, the individual(be it human or animal or any other individuality) perceives the GOD or Divinity as some power that is located in a place or limited to a body & thus see GOD OR DIVINITY in a temple or Mosque or Church or IDOL or even in a ideal or principle as in the case of Atheist. 2.In the intermediary stages, the same individual perceives oneself as part & parcel of the universalness or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD. Examples of this stage are like seeing or perceiving GOD as Mother or as Father or as a Master or some other entity who includes the individuality. 3.In the third & final stages, the individual perceives no difference between the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD & THE SELF.
RE:WHAT IS GOD? KNOW TRUTH ABOUT GOD. THIS IS ONENESS OF ALL RELIGIONS IN THEIR CORE
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 25, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
CONTINUE: This is the highest state & anyone who attains this state can be referred to as GOD, since even though there is a body for this individual, the individual doesnot have a perception that he/she is is a body or limited, but is an unlimitedness & all pervading & ever living one.
Above states are based on a time base. Where, sometimes, the individual can experience the above stage 2 or stage 3 even for a moment if not all the time. But, still this kind of people can be seen as being known of GOD. But those who can at will attain the above 2 or 3 stages can be called as the ones who are free from the illusion of the maya or creation or Satan or Saitan. but those who are in stage 3 irrespective of time are the ones who are no different than GOD & should be treated as ALL PERVADING DIVINITY THYSELF. We see above stages in the lives of saints of all religions since time immemorial.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIVES OF SAINTS OF ALL RELIGIONS WHO ATTAINED 3rd LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT, YOU WILL FIND TO YOUR AMAZEMENT, THAT THEY ALL SPOKE OF SAME THING CALLED GOD OR PARAMATMA OR ALLAH OR HEAVENLY FATHER OR THE UNIVERSAL POWER. SO, DONOT FIGHT LIKE A FOOL IN THE NAME OF GOD. SINCE WE DONOT HAVE REACHED THE DESTINATION YET, WE ARE NOT REALIZING THE ONE & ONLY TRUTH ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF ALL PERVDING DIVINITY & ARE FIGHTING AMONG US. HOW FOOLISH IS THIS?
EVEN MODERN SCIENCE WITHIN ITS LIMITS OF MATERIAL LEVEL IS AFFIRMING THIS TRUTH BY DECLARING THAT ALL MATTER IS NOTHING BUT ENERGY
RE:WHAT IS GOD? KNOW TRUTH ABOUT GOD. THIS IS ONENESS OF ALL RELIGIONS IN THEIR CORE
by Nanchil on Apr 25, 2008 10:32 AM Permalink
Which part of the Bible says "Everything & everyone in this world is GOD"? "anyone who attains this state can be referred to as GOD" - You cannot become God even you go through 1000 stages. Do not humiliate God, the Supreme Power by saying that by going through some stages one can become God. God is not a product manufactured in the industry.
RE:WHAT IS GOD? KNOW TRUTH ABOUT GOD. THIS IS ONENESS OF ALL RELIGIONS IN THEIR CORE
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 26, 2008 12:30 AM Permalink
Lord Jesus Christ says "GOD made man in his image". This means MAN or individual is same as GOD.
Lord Jesus Christ says "Son of GOD donot have even a place to get shelter". This means, for an all pervading Universal counciousness, the state in which Lord Jesus Christ is in (This is the state of GOD), there is nothing in this creation that can give shelter TO ALL PERVADING GOD.
There are many more places that Lord Jesus Christ affirms his oneness witht he universal counciousness or the Heavenly father or paramatma or ALLAH or the ALL PEVADING DIVINITY. By the way, once a glass of water is poured in to the sea of water, you will never ever refer to that water still as glass of water, & you will always refer to it as sea of water. Similar is the case of liberation of the individual. As long as the individual retains the individuality, then we call it as SOUL (or speck of counciousness) & once the counciousness or SOUL realizes that it is not the seperate entity, but is actually same as the SPIRIT(or Universal Counciousness or Paramatma), then, there is no difference to that individual. The divisions in the all pervading divinity lies only to the ones who consider themselves and limits themseles to the individuality.If sheaths of individuality gets removed one by one, slowly the things gets clear & sees the divinity as all pervading including within as well as rest as well. YOU HAVE TO EXPERIENCE CERTAIN THINGS TO UNDERSTAND THEM EASILY and GOD is DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.
