EXACTLY, NOW A DAYS THE MULTI TASKING SYSTEM HAS RUINED THE WORKING SYSTEM OF SOME PRIVATE COMPANIES ENDING UP TO DO RIGHT FROM PEON's JOB TO MARKETING. FROM LATA
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by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Frankly, there is place for peon in a democratic country. "Peon" is the creation of British Imperialism. There is no such thing in UK. There is no peon for Tony Blair now. Imagine any of our former PMs and their lifestyles not to talk of the sitting ones... When Vajpayee dropped a few papers mistakenly at the time of Indian-US summit in Delhi in 1999, Bill Clinton bent and picked it up for him...!!!
You have to get up for your glass of water, to get your papers signed, ask for the guest/customer to come in, make your own tea or coffee. Peons are vanishing. That's why we don't have pot-bellied officers in private sector.
And look for yourself at the figure structure of any public sector officer...the moment he retires, he dies of heart attack. Reason...the cushion culture of public sector vanishes.
Irrespective of being one of the causes of world food shortage (as highlighted by US President Bush), India still has low incomes, and lower employment potential. It has developed as an offshore hub, but the majority of the high end work gets done in the west. It is not just the charm of a quality life that attracts educated professionals abroad, but the opportunity to do something worthwhile that matches their education and aptitude.
There is a lot of potential in India, but certain industries have not matured yet. Till they do, the high growth rate will be coupled with high exploitation, attrition, shakeouts, artificial resistances and the like.
The situations mentioned in the well researched article may spell gloom, but things are set to improve. One needs to wait till then.
I remember NRN(Infosys Mentor) giving a speech in 2002 saying atleast 2-3 generations of India need to sacrifice their need( working 16-18 hrs a day) to make a better India for the future.Westerners too have gone through bad phases of World Wars. John Shuley (Pepsi and Apple's marketing genius) have to go through the same situation of carrying bottled cans of pepsi!!Being A good manager means you are aware of needs of people right from top to the bottom and thats how you build an organization.The work is never cheap, its the people who are cheap. IN US, Aus etc even toilet cleaner gets more salary than the average person working there. India has an past history of hierarchy which cannot be broken in 50 years.Rediff readers are atleast discussing on issues, there is majority of working class that don't even touch these healthy discussions let alone read the day to day news.
RE:Things are fine!!
by sandeep mishra on May 04, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
I appriciate rediff for this article. Only a responcible website can write such articles.
The artificial pressure in the name of economic boom is doing no good to professionals and their families - only adding to the fat bottomlines of companies and big ticket bonuses for the top bosses. We Indians are a harried lot. There is really not much qualified talent in India. It is a myth that everybody who does an MBA is really good talent. It is also a myth that everybody from an IIM is very good. We have a short supply of quality manpower. Please realise that half the time, people are stretching because of their insecurity about keeping their jobs. In reality for most jobs, the good guys are probably the best suited. If companies have the attitiude that manpower can be replaced at will, they are mistaken. The cost in terms of loss in productivity and loss of knowledge from the company system far outweigh the arrogance of 'You are Replaceable' syndrome. Companies need ot wake up to this reality and start treating employees in a more humane way and a great deal of respect. Nobody is a 'baap ka naukar'. Family misses the breadwinner on Diwali, son's first birthday, etc because an unreasonable boss somewhere has set unrealistic targets and cooling his heels at home from 6 pm every evening and takes all holidays due to him. Put an end to this exploitation. And wake up employees. If the opportunity is big, hire more people and incur more expenses. Don't be leeches.
RE:Artificial Pressure in the Name of Economic Boom!
by Bhajiya on May 03, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
Unfortunately people do not demark line betwen hardwork and exploitation of labour is rootcause of this problem. One must understand hard work yeilds in 8 hours same results as much someone work for 40 hours week. exploitation of working hours is physical not intellectual input into creative or value addition to any business. But we Baniya has fostered tendancies to make life of other specially employee missirable to satisfy how I exploit maximum return on investment on employees forcing to work 12 hours for paying 8 hours is brainchild of Indian small traders psychology whic is apparant in some lucky midium size business employers. The same tendancies are carried by some accounts and finance people for human capital investment concept and CEO people have did same to prove their metal as good adminstrator.
RE:Artificial Pressure in the Name of Economic Boom!
by Vipul on May 03, 2008 10:21 PM Permalink
It is a different matter that most of the recently graduated MBAs - irrespective of the institute they are from - think no end of themselves
While I agree with 100% for the case histories quoted in 1 & 3 about door to door canvasing for bank accounts and unattainable targets and too ambitious employers goals I don't agree with case study #2. Case Study#2: analyse the existing security system/protocols at a warehouse and find recommend a solution. This guy need to find the cause of problem/theft at this location- instead he
This happen in Indian company because promotar/ Director of company do not need to require any qualification. So, there is no matter who is who in an Indian company.
MBA is no Education at All ....It is just a ragtag accumulation of papers from ECo,ACCO,MEDIA,Jurno. etc. Which is just a WESTERN PEDAGOGY of LUSTY AMASSING through a method called MARKET with no SCIENCE involved but LOOT and CHEAT. In our Country some lusty crooks have started misguiding the Youths in the name of MBA and all get into it just thinking it as the easiest way to mint money without knowing what it is in reality. From HARVARD ,u come here to learn Mumbai Dubbawallah,LALOO-RAILWAY and innumerable such examples are there......we Indians just dont need DUMB DOINGs STUDY by the name of SUCH Idiotic CASE STUDIES...much more better methods are ingrained there in our own culture and system ;we need to learn it more and have faith in it and we have much better economic acumen than those westernized crooks who call themselves Entrepreneurs. MBA is a joke and just not required for Indians. Have u ever seen a Management Executive as Honest and Straightforward? All it teaches is how to lie and cheat the society.
RE:MBA is by the CHEATERs for the CHEATERs
by Bhajiya on May 03, 2008 09:53 PM Permalink
You are right by Indian standard its farce and comedy. MBA in india has no scientific methodologies or practical exposure how to approach for analysis and diagnosis of problem and what are management concepts to be applied on problems. Which management concept is fit for which case. Our students are tought lessons only by the readers and we have to memorised and appear for exam this eventually results in comments like this. We do not have quality education this is problem our MBA is remain only as labals or branded tag of being educated but our graduates's minds are remain empty. I said this because I come across western management consultants like, Aurther D Littel, Mckinsey & COmpany, Booz/Allen/Hamilton, Boston COnsulting, Earnest & YOung, Hay Group, Watson Wyatt, MERCER, MEIRC, all these companies have over 200 offices world wide with over 5000 employees and earns revenue over 2.5 to 5 billions US Dollars just from consultancies. one contract amounts to over Million Dollar. But its halucination for indians and unbelievable too for Indians. I was amazed but I saw many Indians working their afcourse they were from UK,US institutes and establish their worth in maket that we Indians are intellegent. But problem is with our education system. We do not promote inventions and innovative skills its merely on record we say but we don't practice all this. SOme shrewd people in the field of Indian Management verbiage and makes good impression is only our ideals.
RE:MBA is by the CHEATERs for the CHEATERs
by Srinivasan S on May 03, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
These Banks employ anyone having any education,not necessarily MBA.If htey can achieve a Target of 60,thay really need 50,but push them to hit 90.In the process they get rid off him before he could ask for a rise and get a new recruit.Its a continuous churning. 30 years ago,I was in a leading firm,slugging out in their R&D,while MBA's from premier institues only available those days.They wer recruited with high salaries,given responsibilities of soap distribution to workers.whether they enjoyed it or not,the name of the firm sufficient with MBA degree to boot,to take off in a Multinational co.The recruits never continue year after year till today i have also become an employer.I get employees for the job i offer.Their attitude,i am available for 8 hours for the salary.Get the job done by me if you can until i get another job elsewhere when they they just vanish without bothering to inform and if they find the new job/employer still more difficult,then they come back stating they fell sick at native place.Colleagues /consultants will know,but will keep quiet,but poor courier guys blow the whistle.Moral..... everybody is right and wrong,but the crowds at the Malls going strong India shining,Bharath Mahan
RE:MBA is by the CHEATERs for the CHEATERs
by red chillies on May 03, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
It is pretty clear how ignorant Indians think of themselves .... know nothing about ones ownself and little about others made to think as greatly educated.....LEARNING INDIA takes more than a LIFETIME baby...that too if u have a head above ur shoulder by GODs grace. Westernized PAMPER-SHOW education by no-meaning is worth LEARNING.
RE:MBA is by the CHEATERs for the CHEATERs
by Bhajiya on May 03, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
You must understand bogus nature of Indian education system you don't need to spend life time on formal education. But our system has reinforced the belief in the mins of people that 15 years graduation plus 2 years masters and 3 years Doctorate produced genius. Is it true my dear red chilly? Then tell me how many Nobel Prize Scientist, Technologist, Mathematicians, Astrologists we produced from our latest and most modern education system after Independance. Please don not quote Chandrasekher, Dr.Khurana kind of people who worked in USA and got Nobal prize. But our indigineous lifetime has only produce qualtity not quality brains. Don't be under wrong impression. its like frog world belief.
So what if the new MBA's have to put up with a 12 hours schedule? I am a businessman and I know how hard it is to make two ends meet. I work from 9:30am to 4:30Pm and then again from 5:30 till midnight. As I manage my business myself whom do I complain to? My employees complain if they are held up in the office one hour extra. So I ask them to go home. I do there work also and don't get to sleep till midnight. Where do I go with my complain? Many times due to business worries I don't get sound sleep. I am in tention always. But I do it.
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by TEJAS OZA on May 04, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
If you don't spend 4 -5 hrs OFFICE time in Tea/lunch and Gossip. You don't need to work unpaid extra office hours. We Indians need to change our attitudes and stop thinking that MY BOSS will think I am doing more work as I stick around in the office for more hours even with 1% productivity in those 16hrs! Your Boss is enough matured and has gone through the same phase and knows what all do. I will say, if you are paid for a 9am to 5 pm job, stick your ass on the chair and DO the WORK dont just hang around and do the jobs for which people are already there just like ordering Tea, Printing NEWS article, FORWARDING the shit E-Mails to your girlfriends and family members. If you take out this time from your working schedule, you will know you are just using 2-3 hours to work out of the 16 hrs spent in office.
Please change the ATTITUDE and be sincere to work. I work from 9am-5:30pm in a much B2C performance driven job, then too my BOSS can't dare to say I should stay a minute after 5:30pm, cos he knows where my ass is when I am in the office from the Reports I produce and Money I bring into the business.
Hope this helps to all the WORMS who hang around in office wasting Nations Resources like ELECTRIC and Water.
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by Bhajiya on May 03, 2008 09:29 PM Permalink
Business risk at interpreanuers cost because he take risk at business cost which he altimately reaped from the bsuiness and he is the only person who benefits and so not share his profits with his employee except commission as remuneration. THis logic is typical cynically modified as you are doing charity with your employee keeping them on job. fact is you eat their time for family and social affairs which is hardship and didnot pay for this or what ever cost you pay is mandatory by law not beyond. You are owner of your business and your employees are not share holder of your business so you cannot write this way to justify your case. Indian Baniya psychology of exploiting the blood of employees is age old practice and its mideval age practice DOn't justify this tendancies. THis is cruel and against humanity. YOu have lust for money doesnot mean employee sacrifice their own life for you.
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by dinyar on May 03, 2008 09:41 PM Permalink
Mr. Bhajiya... you sound a communist. Go to a communist country like China so that the government expolits you. They will make you work for 20 hours a day and reward you with shit. Then you can sing their praise.
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by Bhajiya on May 03, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
Mr.DinuBhai, Please come out of India and see how public in other countries except Asian COuntries live halthy life may they donot have wealth but at least social life is better. Personal growth good life style and weekends of two days are mandatory and people spare this time with freinds, family and society in celebrations. But Indians developed tendancies that forcefully working and exploiting employees on faulty promises. US, Europe and world believe in human life needs rest, healthy society and sharing social harmony etc. Its not that we borne to die for one cause to earn livelihood and donot enjoy life and just eat and feed our families. We have to learn how to respect human being and to every individual in society from westerners and Africans as well as Japanees.
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by dinyar on May 03, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
Bhajiya Bhai... I have been in Europe for quite some time and observed their lives closely. Westerners know how to enjoy life. I agree with you. I as a businessman work hard and I treat my employees with respect and I honour the labour laws. Infact in my case I feel my employees exploit me. As a feesh MBA there is nothing wrong if you are asked to go from door to door for market survey. Not everyoen can expect to be in an AC office planning marketing stretegies. I started my life as a lawyer. Though I gave up this profession I still remember how as a fresh law graduate I was once asked to just go through the brief and check for spelling mistakes. No work should be looked down upon.
