Even after PG and Ph.D., upto date knowledge of progress in their subjects is more important than publishing a multitude of papers or earning a Ph.D.. I suggest 8 week courses followed by a test, at 3 year intervals for all teachers of engineering and technology. Dinesh Chandra
RE:Knowledge updating is more important for professors
by You yourself on Jan 18, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
Capitalism will take care of all this in the private sector. Public sector can rot.
Why do we start considering PhD as just another degree here? Why is it being thought of as an "examination" that has to be passed to get a "good job" in industry or academia? Why can't we think of it as a unique experience that people have while delving into a particular field?
Regarding the capability of a researcher, lets leave it to the organization to which the are employed. If the Research lab or University doesn't feel they are good enough, its their policy to show them the door. In the words of Prof. H.T. Kung (at Carnegie Mellon) :
" Experience from Ph.D. thesis research is unique. One learns how to do research. Future research is going to be more interesting because you will know how to do it, so you will have more freedom and fun. Almost all leaders in research have this experience. You will have confidence in your research ability. You will look at things differently than people who did not go through this process. It is very clear that Ph.D. thesis research is still the best way we know of in developing powerful researchers. In summary, it is the best investment for becoming a successful researcher."
PS: Just Highlighting a well known fact : Most people end up doing entirely different than what their PhD thesis was on about. Its a fast changing world!
I am a researcher in a corporate R&D lab and I am really amazed by your assumptions. To expect it as a mere ignorance would be great misdemeanor on my part looking at your experiences. Bur anyways, you must accept that you are not a PhD (please don%u2019t take it as a personal attack, my apologies if I am wrong), atleast I assume this after going through your profile stating %u201CMaster's degree in Economics from the Delhi School of Economics in 1970%u201D. I have the following arguments against your assumptions:
My Arguments: > PhD expires with no work Sorry it%u2019s not the PhD but the researcher with his PhD.
> PhD is a degree Sorry I strongly disagree. It%u2019s a way of life. When one invests his prime solving some problem, motivation is to do good research. Those who fail to continue, lose out. It is true with any profession.
> Comparing it with medical profession Apple Vs Orange Story. ves exist with %u2013ves everywhere. Look up to the work of Dr Pachauri, Dr Rajeev Sangal, Dr Rajshekhar Reddy, Dr Jhynjhunwala. These people have proved themselves. And for your information they still work 16 hrs a day.
> Quality of journals/papers Yes you are right. Quality of PhDs in India is not comparable to top western universities. But so do our education system. No wonder best brains in India go out for their PhD. But then exceptions always exist.
Finally Phd is not an examination. The very premise on which your argument is based sounds quite naive.
I doubt whether the author is holding a phd or not ? For a sake of argument will he oblige to put the scanner on his degree? (MA?) Quality of education is increasing all the time. Is it possible for the oldies to operate the computer like a children of today? If it is so it will end up with questining the 10 th or 12 th grade of a student while he is doing his BSc or Msc or any other diploma or degree.
IITs are becoming worst in producing PhDs. The IIT professors are stuggling with conducting research, and only confine with UG teaching. Forget about other Universities producing FAKE PhDs and many of them are reported PHALAGRAGISM cases. In JadavPur University, and Calcutta University worst in PHALAGARISM. Other Indian Universities produce copied, low level Thesis.
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by ayyasami krishnamoorthy on Jan 18, 2008 08:36 PM Permalink
Dear friends, Let us keep the discussion general Let us not target any individual / institution. Please. Not all are bad in this world and also that NO institution is fully bad. Let us air our comments decently without hurting the sentiments of others, please.
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by Munish Oberoi on Jan 18, 2008 08:41 PM Permalink
Dear Sammer u talk abt "low level" thesis, do u know the funny thing that there is a guy posting here called Joseph Abraham who thinks that a PhD from Stanford = a PhD from Jhoomri Talaya !!! These ppl don't even know the difference or are plain jealous!
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by Sammer Bhagwat on Jan 18, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
PhD should be graded!
1)The PhDs in Standford Univ,Massachuts IT, Geogia Tech are real research and many of them are awarded with Nobel Prize. 2) The PhDs in India is graded IISc,IITs, and other institutions. 3) IITs are struggling in carrying out research 4) Other Indian Universities do Phalagrism and are not recognised Internationally. 5) Some Indian University Phds are even worst than 12 th standard work.
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by Munish Oberoi on Jan 18, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
Yes that is how it should be. and yes i agree with the author that ppl who don't continue publishing good papers after their phd shud have their phds devalued, not forfeited, as most ppl protesting here seem to think.
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by Kittappa on Jan 18, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
it naturally happens Mr Oberoi. You dont need to give a grade to a PhD, who ever is interested in him will look at his publication and grade him based on them
RE:IITs are becoming worst in producing PhD
by Joseph Abraham on Jan 18, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
Dude I did my phd in Berkeley. Dont think that all are from the JhoomriTalya.....dont be silly pal.
