There are so many private engg colleges, affiliated to universities. what abt them? Are all those people also are taken into fold or is it only IITs, NITs and some University colleges?
RE:How abt Pvt engg colleges!
by Tom Lutherfield on Jul 05, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
If at all there will be very few private engg colleges which will be in the fold. Only prestigious colleges will be included and almost all will be Govt.Engineering colleges.
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by rohan mishra on Jul 05, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
Here only mentioned that engineering colleges of India. So it should be all which is affilated..
RE:How abt Pvt engg colleges!
by Krishna on Jul 05, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
But it also says "1,520 other engineering institutions". We have lot of university colleges and we have pvt engg colleges much more in number. which means some filtering might be done. what we don't know is on what basis and how many of such pvt colleges would be covered.
RE:How abt Pvt engg colleges!
by Rapid Snail on Jul 05, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
Only a few, if any, private colleges will be present in the list.
The 1520 colleges are mostly govt. colleges which are accredited by the NBA and affiliated with AICTE are included. I dont think there are many private colleges that are accredited/affiliated with AICTE/NBA.
From the begining Indian Education System is superior. Indian English also much superior gramitically than English people's english. Once Former Defence Minister Krishna Menon told at Heathru Air Port to English Press People about Indians speaking English "We Indians learnt English Language, where as you people picked up that Language". So our educaion system and that too Engineering are always superior quality. In those days Sir M. Visweswaraiah, Studied Engineering in India only and became the best Civil Engineer in the world. Till today, what he rendered his service in India and that too particularly in Maharastra and Karnataka States is a bench mark for further developments. Now a days our Indian Boys/girls are going to USA to get MS Degree there, (which is not equivalent to our IITs, IISC, BITS PILANI, ROORKI and many more Engineering College Degrees.) just to exhibit the vanity. More than students, their parents. Many Indian Engineering degree Students without getting MS Degree are working in US, since 15 to 20 years with high salary and good positions. Now a days many Indian engineers are coming back to India once for all, which makes in US short of Engineers. There is no other go to them to recognize Indian Engineering Degree. Not only in America,but in entire European countries are also facing this problem.
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by mpc on Jul 05, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
"Now a days our Indian Boys/girls are going to USA to get MS Degree there, (which is not equivalent to our IITs, IISC, BITS PILANI, ROORKI and many more Engineering College Degrees.)"
Are you comparing MS degrees in the US with MS degrees from India?
What is your qualification dude?? Have you attended any of teh US institutes?? Dont indulge in self opiniated rants unless you really have done any research on this!!!
One simple question - How many IIT'ian BTechs do their MS & PhD in India?? While IITs are good for undergrad courses mainly because of a high level of academic input and a good faculty - undergrad courses do not need much in terms of research and facilities. When you talk of MS and PhD, you are essentially talking of research. None of the IIT's have that amount of investment as research funds. Our institutes basically "re - search" and that is precisely why bright undergrads from IITs prefer US as their destination for higher studies and research. The selection criteria for admission to IITs for MS is a pathetic GATE exam; those opting for admissions are even moree pathetic...students from nondescript private colleges aiming at getting some brand value under the garb of doing an MS from an IIT. Many of tehm even end up doing household chores for their profs...and you talk of IITs being superior to US univs when it comes to an MS.
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by sandy shensun on Jul 05, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
MPC... u suffer from extremely low self esteem!!!! which is typical of desi emigres to US.. for them US is the mecca and they hav no qualms about running down the very country and its educational system which made them what they are.. this is from a student of IIT and MS in US and have seen both sides of the coin.....
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by mpc on Jul 05, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
Sandy, fyi, I dont lack any self esteem. I've denounced admits from Ann Arbor, TAMU, Berkeley etcetc, denounced cushy jobs offers outside India. But thats not the point. I dont glorify all US univs...but talking of an MS or PhD, I simply cant buy the thought that a top 10 US univ would be rivalled by an IIT... No not even by miles (I speak of facilities and funds for research here).. And you being from an IIT must be one helluva loser or must have been admitted to one pathetically ranked US univ to think otherwise. And you would not realise that coz academics was not on your agenda. You wanted a job in the US...typical of those who get frustrated in India. Having worked with a few MS candidates from the IIT, I know where many of them stand, even what they did to complete their MS degrees at IIT.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by dg on Jul 05, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
Have you read an article written by a higher official of TATA groups about IITs B.Tech students. It was published in Hindu.
You people have money so have wonderful JEE coaching for some long time and getting in to IITs and then going to US for higher studies. People who does not have money studying in state board and struggle a lot to get in to IITs for MS and PhD.
If you ask all prof in IITs about M.Tech and B.Tech students then they will always express their angry on B.Tech people and say good about M.Tech people.
These B.Tech people does come to the class and learning nothing and finally placing in a financial company.
If there is 20% of B.Tech people in IITs studying good then it is a wonder for Profs over there. But if even 85% of M.Tech people studying good then it is not a wonder for the same Profs.
Speak with some IIT Prof about the current B.Tech studens
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by dg on Jul 05, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
Dude, Have you ever written GATE. Go to IISc and do your MS or PhD over there.I am sure that you will be kicked off.Getting PhD from IISc is the difficult job. Dude doing MS or PhD in above 50 ranked universities is for better than doing in IITs.
I hope you know Mr.Narayanamoorthy(founder of Infosys)has done his M.Tech in IITK. I hope I dont need to tell about him to you.
One thing that you have to have in your mind that if you are good you can shine. There are some MS students in IITs who is doing for better than B.Tech.
You have to come to IITs and see what these B.Tech people are doing.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by mpc on Jul 05, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
dg...you have just answered my question...doing PhD from IISc is indeed difficult...or rather made to look difficult...why because you need to satisfy your prof's ego..listen to his tantrums...be a victim of his bias on grounds of region, language, caste...bla bla bla..
Even worse, I've known of cases when a female lecturer had trouble getting her PhD for want of sexual favours from her male guide...
Prof's who are two generations old never like Btechs for they view them as mavericks, they envy Btechs for the salary they get as freshers...not because they are dumb...
Mtechs provide a meek picture...one that is submissive....ready to dance to their tunes...Mtechs help profs in conducting tests, correcting assignments, typing their technical papers...you know more like errand boys...Again this is generalization and there still are outstanding Mtechs too and this generalization excludes Computer Science & Electronics guys & most of the MTechs from IITD/B/K/KGP. Most of the IITM Mtechs suck big time...they not only lack personality but IQ also.
Anyway you know the truth that lies beneath. What more to say?? An yeah it hurts to know the truth.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by dg on Jul 05, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
It seems you are the great personality of India. You idiot know the fact that IISc Profs papers are recommended for noble lecture.
Don't tell me IIT B.Techs. The top official of TATA company wrote a article that now a days IIT BTech students dont even know the fundamental of Science.
I know how you people entering in to IIT at B.Tech level. It does not simply telling their knowledge instead it tell about their wealth. What ever knowledge that you guys get is just artificial.
You B.Tech people does not have time to attend the class and have more time to watch blue film in the hostel.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by kundan kumar on Jul 05, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
Are you crazy dg?....How can you even dream of comparing M.Techs with B.Techs....?..On surface..may be you get these feelings..what these B.Techs are doing and all....just think of your quality and their quality..there is simply no comparison...You should not be foolish enough to compare GATE with JEE....I appreciate your need for self-esteem and self-confidence..but acquire it through truth and not through motivated manipulations of some careless observations....Of course..I never studied in B.Tech. in IIT...but I did my M.Tech. from IIT Delhi.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by dg on Jul 05, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Oh. I thing you are the most intelligent. Dude, preparing four years for JEE by spending more than 5 lakhs money and finally getting in to IITs is not a big deal. Entrance exam are meant to test your knowledge and preparing like this and writing exams is completely not making any sense. Where ever you go what is important is your knowledge. I dont know about IITD. I do have done my course work with dual degree people and B.Tech(Final year) people and I really wonder by seeing the knowledge that they have. If you are a Chem Engg then I can give some example.
There are so many people from M.Tech level getting good job and going to better place for their Phd when compare to B.Tech people.
Are you mad that you don't believe the knowledge rather than just a Brand name. There are so many people at M.Tech level doing far better than B.Tech people. Atleast in IITM. Come to IITM and see.
Dont you read my lines about Infy founder. Still you are just talking about just the brand name(B.Tech IIT).
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Jul 05, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
There is some spelling mistake. In first line It should be I think.
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Jul 05, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
By mistake I have written like that. It should be I think in first line
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by mpc on Jul 05, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
dumb dumb...
i)I dont know of today's GATE but the GATE of yesteryears was indeed pathetic...it was sort of a replica of an IES exam. I mean arent you doing specialization within a particular branch when you want to pursue an MS. Why on earth should you cram/remember unrelated stuff of all eight semesters when you want to know something which is very specific or you are clear about what kind of research interests you. Dont compare GATE & GRE. GRE & TOEFL are only tools to establish that the guy is fit to study in US- i.e. knowledge of written/spoken English or rather lack of it is not an impediment to his taking the course and he has the bare minimum quant aptitude.
I don't say that the US system of admission is fool proof but the intentions are right...Your SOP matters a lot...atleast the admission council knows which direction you are headed towards..
ii) No offense towards private colleges..its is democracy afterall...I lament the lack of number of good insti's. Though I personally feel these private institutes are an enormous national waste...What I hate is passouts from pvt colleges who go on to do their MS from IIT's or NITs when asked where did they pass out out from never reveal where they did their BTech from but promptly mention IIT. Whom are they cheating afterall?? The gap b/w IIT BTech and IIT MTech is huge.....accept it...even the faculties know that..even you know that.
iii) they (top 1000 JEE rankers) dont need to cram stuff like you morons coz the
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by mpc on Jul 05, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
iii) they (top 1000 JEE rankers) dont need to cram stuff like you morons coz their faculties are well oiled and they can think out of the box. And dont tell me they dont remember their branch. Those inclined towards acads anyhow pursue their PhD from the top 5 US univs...but how would you have known this....you would have been busy cramming for GATE...not that the BTechs would have interacted with you anyway.
iv) I dont intend to do my MS from an IIT...I've been fortunate enough to have been exposed to stuff which could qualify close to research in IIT in the first few years of my career and I managed to outshine collegaues who were IITM MS/MTech...I'll leave it for the losers
RE:Indian Engineering Degree
by Krishna on Jul 05, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Hi MPC, btw, did u get thru GATE exam? How much do u know abt it? it is much more tougher than going thru GRE & Toefl and somehow managing to get an admission and fellowship in a US university. I know one of my friends who passed his BE with lot of difficulty in clearing his subjects(in many subjects, he appeared twice or thrice. And later managed to get admission in US after wasting 1 year. He finally is an MS. I am sure he wouldn't have thought of attempting GATE and he would be the first person to confess it.
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by max on Jul 05, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
i agree we take it as education and other side world they make education as business and create a hype about there standards.
India is not shinning. We saw the real India in the monsoon in metros. Muncipalty working system is real India. This is real India. 30 crore people in India are below poverty line. Does anyone knows, people from european nations countries doesn't require usa visa to enter usa. Do you think India will acheive this? They just have recognized Indian degree, but no employer will hire Indian graduates, because unlike USA, Indians and Indian system is highly disorganized and unprofessional.
Have you seen the way indian employers take interviews? ITs like Indian Idol contest. There is no feeling for people. India will never go forward
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by Typhoon on Jul 05, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Good that you people criticize our motherland!! Keep criticizing bcoz we Indians never care of these bluffs and we keep pacing ahead!! U say 30 crore people are below poverty line coz u people keep on increasing population with ur illegimate children and then beating abt the bush!! Today even if u see technical aspects Indian r at a lead!! O!! fool!! u r still not convinced by the gr8 ventures of Late Kalpana chawla or Sunita williams to space who r pride daughters of India! If you dont come forward to change the system u r discussing abt India then plz stop criticizing it! If u still cant change ur thoughts on our country then get the hell out of India and nobody is gonna listen ur shitty polls!! foolish, duffer idiot aggresive terrorist TAMIL TROUBLERS!! Arre u urslf are burden to this world!!
RE:hi
by Rajni Great on Jul 05, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Max, I myself applied to Canadian permanant residece in Canada. Dont make me open my mouth. If I start comparing India with Canada, and show the benfits of canadian government offers to even new immigrants from India, you will be left stunned.
I also want to make a point, american women are far better than Indian girl. I respect indian women of yesteryears and till early 90's. But indian women of this era is curse. People have a mindset, that just because she is indian, she is best and just because she is american, she is keep. Prime example is, a normal person from india can get a baby blue eyes blonde american girl, but one in million will get a woman like aishwariya. Also, Indian women have too much attitude, even if she is slightly beautiful, her nakhras are not less like aish. American women dont have attitude
But all these sunita Williams and Kalpana Chawlas had to to go NASA for training. Admit the fact that present India is lacking in almost all department compared to Ameria or other developed countries. We ofcourse had a glorious past. But as of now, nothing is right in India. It is jungle raj where might is right. All the Lalus and Arujuns and their likes have their field day. Poor is left to their mercy. We have everything on paper, but nothing in real.
Everything in India moves only at the sight of currency, or else you should have your mama or chacha somewhere in the bureaucracy. Merit has no value. To see the difference you have to go out and see the world. Those people are displined and organized. We are not belittling Indians. By criticising, we need Indians to improve on many fronts. We have to inculate discipline into our children and make them a better human being. There is no point in saying that "NOBODY IS GOING TO LISTEN" . Take in the right spirit and try it improve ourselves.
RE:hi
by max on Jul 05, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Its population and secondly Gov cant support 1.2Billion ppl, other countries shine coz they are comfortable in there own motherland and they don't have to go another country for bread and butter so other coutries welcomes them without visa , if India wants to reach that stage without visa travel then our country shld be economically strong then it will happen.
Lot of Indians are working in BIG MNC's in India and outside india come out of ur dream and don't think that Indians are disorganized or unprofessional all over the world employers are same in fact i wld say indians are better when it comes to TRUST .
RE:hi
by on Jul 05, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Negative mentality attract the negatives.ie what is happening for you tamil troublers. I am analyzing your post sentance by santence. i) India is not shining. irrelevant adjective. Better for you could be a sentence "more to polish for the shine to show".
ii) 30 crore people live below poverty line in India. How are u sure? If 30 crore people live below poverty line in India the staravtion deaths would have been in 1000s per day, but nowhere it is reported about starvation deaths. India is selling more than 50 lakhs automobiles per year. Indias' mobile phone penetration is going to become 50 crores by 2010. Do you think that your 30 crores of people belong to the left out? See India's population is 120 crores now. Assuming average life span of 70 years, the no.of children below 10 years of age will be more than 15 crores. less than 15 years will be 25 crores. From where did you get the figure of 30 crores. You had taken from some foreign newspapers.Visa and Usa all are bullshits' comparison you make. You have to take out your mind from the Mud it was soaked in and use your logic before writing anything public.
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by Rajni Great on Jul 05, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
India is hell, If I make a chart and graph showing and comparing India with developed countries, you will feel shame...
Also, what people say India is booming, India is booming... All you dumb Indias, it is just becauise america is outourcing their work to india is creating opportunities here. Still you would see, high salary jobs are given by banks who have tie up with foreign banks and IT companies who are outosurced companies. Otherwise in norma, jobs, the indian salary is deplorable and you can;t even buy one cell phone with that salary.
Mind you Kalpana chawla and sunita left india long back and they wear american flags, they dont feel proud to be indians, because this is bullshit country. When you eat a meat, you eat the flesh and then throw the bone (haddi) to a dog. America is doing the same thing, they are taking work from cheal labour indians and throwing haddi to india and indians think we are number 1. This is yoru category, you nuts...
Last, but not least.. before compaing indians with usa, please ask your muncipality and giovernment to clean gutter water where shits and toliets water coming in your BMW card. This is India
RE:hi
by sumit ghosal on Jul 05, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
rajni..don't forget america was not build in a day.Also, India lost everything during it's colonial past.So, now people are moving and accepting that we also need to change.Which is great.Economy and development are all state of mind as you develop them ,they reciprocate and give you a better standard of living.Don't forget that in the past india was a great trading nation and the world used to feel proud to trade with india and indian made products.
RE:hi
by Rajni Great on Jul 05, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
Last, but not least, I don't want to compare Indian infrastructure with america, as it is not in the hand of people and our goons politicians are the reason for it.
I will focus on employers in India While taking interview, they dont give respect to employees, because like 1 billion they are garbage. I have been to many interviews in usa and canada, and they give respect to everyone In India for some candidates, they treat them like Indian idol contestont where dumb anu malik shout everyone
Second, I want to tell whole India, that American women are best. I myself got some of the best moments by american women. Indian women have attitude. I salute Indian classic women like mala sinha, mina kumari, madhubala types, but these metro cities indian women are curse. American women may be dunkerd, sex mania, but they don;'t have attitude., When you apporach any american woman, they will shgow their class by the way they speak.. indian girls like indian employers don;t have manners to talk. But this is only applicable to metro cities girls... Still indian women from small town and villages are nice
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by Aneesh on Jul 05, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Rajni bl00dy idi0t who said you to compare India with developed countries? India is not a developed country to compare with them. please understand this basic commonsense just before bluffing idiotic comments! The so called developed countries don't have Billions of people. The people like you must be kicked out of the country soon. If you like American flag so much then you can stick on american flag on you wide a-s-s!
RE:hi
by Rajkumar on Jul 05, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
Rajni, I can feel your disgust and disappointment about India. still i will say u love India and u wish India to progress and equal itself with rich nations. India has found right path and now its only a matter of time. We have a corrupt system with deep roots it will take some time to uproot this and plant an honest system. when we find an honest system abrod we r stunned bcoz we hav never seen such system but dont think that it is unachievable in India. Americans need Indian partnership to counter balance China and Russia. American Economy has highly slowed down. US is in very high debt. American dollar may collapse any day. The capitalist elites control America. they do all types of corruption to turn policies in their favour. Elites need lower administration to be honest so that their businesses can run smoothely. most americans dont know this. they r basiclly simple people believing their Govt. Plz read international politics. plz dont curse blindly your motherland.
RE:hi
by subbu on Jul 05, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
Hey all, How can you compare a country which gotliberated from the clutches of foreign rule 300 years before and a country sixty years before?Can you claim pride you can run faster than your baby?Inda was under tyrannical muslim rule for 800 years and then came the christian blood suckers nd they left us high and dry?What we had when these crooks left us-only famine,disease,povert and illiteracy!Now in a short span of 60 years Indians has advanced a lot inspite of congress and communist backward policies!So donot be pessimistic-the days are not far off when you guys will start talking the opposite and I wish it should happen soon!
RE:hi
by Deepak on Jul 05, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
You are planning on cut-past'ing this response of yours for another 300 years ? I am pretty sure that after 300 years, we will still be saying the same things you have cut-pasted above. No doubt about that. Its the only legally/emitionally/widely accepted excuse for our failures.
RE:hi
by sandy shensun on Jul 05, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
If india is such a pathetic country.. wonder why US is desperately wanting to business with India?... or are mere mortals missing out something which pompous intellectual like tamil troublers are not
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by Deepak on Jul 05, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
Its something like this. Why do politicians suddenly declare SEZ zones. It's because they have prime land already converted and bought for pennies, which they want to encash. If US has mega plans, then it is for their good. Not for the average indian who is still at the mercy of the bloody infidels sitting in the parliament house.
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by Deepak on Jul 05, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
You tell that Bangalore is silicon valley of India right ? Do you know how many traffic signal lights work properly, and how many roads are lit at night ?
All those indian engineers who goes gaga over this decision, just think for a moment.Indian govt is spending so much money in getting each of these engineers graduated and the real benifit is tapped by the US govt. This is another lucrative strategy from the US govt. By accepting the Indian degree, the US is not accepting the education in India or giving any credit to the Indian universities. The fact is that they want cheap labour high tech coolies from India. As long as the shameless US crazy graduates are here, the trend will continue. Guys, understand what role you are playing by ditching a poor mother who spends a whole lot of money from her empty pouch for you and what you pay back in return. SHAME ON YOU :-(
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by Navin Kumar on Jul 05, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Hi Don't worry, the revese is going to be very soon. You won't find crazy people towards Western. Our country will be sufficient to accomodate them with same lucrative benefits. Just wait few more years.
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by tamil troublers on Jul 05, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Our country will accomodate them? Do u like in metros? Have u seen the condition of mumbai in monsoon? Before starting comparison with usa, can Indian provide basic food to those 30 crore people below poverty line? In USA, if people don't earn, they give access card to their people where it has $1,100 inside that card to provide them basic needs such as food an housing to everyone. Indian systen is like BMC, MMRDA, MAHADA where gutter water in monsoon becomes part of everyone life. This is real India.
RE:SHAME SHAME !
by Aneesh on Jul 05, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
You are a real idiot! You want to point only a monsoon? Heavy rain will cause problems in any cities not only mumbai or in India. You don't know what is happening around the world. You know only issues in India. Do you know what was the situation in New Orleans after the heavy rain followed by the Katrina? Dubai is a well developed city than Mumbai. But just 5 min rain in Dubai will make more problems than that happened in Mumbai. Shame on YOU idiot.
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by Ramanath Babu on Jul 05, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
That is a good point Mr. Aneesh. Since Dubai is drowned in 5 minutes and people of New Orleans have not yet been rehabilated, the Mumbaikars have now no reason to complain! They should applaud the inaction of both the local authorities and state government to make Mumbai what it is today. Just go on do that. No complaint please. India is great and Indians are great!
You seem to be the only sensible person on the Board and rests are Idiot! YOu are calling every Idiot and think yourself as a genius or what??
EVerybody has a right to express themselves. You may or may not agree with them. To abuse somebody, you do not need any qualification or good upbrining. But to show restraint, even under provocative circumstances, you need to be cultured, well-groomed and reasonably educated.
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by Aneesh on Jul 05, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Correct point. Now I think only Mr Babu is an idiot all others are genius! If India is not great why r u here? Go to your great country.
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by sandy shensun on Jul 05, 2007 12:46 PM Permalink
what happend in New Orleans... US govt has still not rehabilitated people there./.. please visit and check..
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by Deepak on Jul 05, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
If New Orleans had to happen in India, India would have the largest lake in the world, or a new desert would be added to its list. Dnt even talk about rehabilitation, check the state of the people affected 3 years ago by the tsunami.
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by max on Jul 05, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
hello tamil bhai chup ho ja,even u give these 30 crore ppl money and house they will come back to roads again so its mindset which has to be changed if that happens gov will help.
It is easy to criticse. YOu would also exericse the same option, given a chance. Money/currency has no untouchability. People opt for a job where they are highly paid. If the same salary is given, nobody would like to go to America or Australia.
It is better not to speak what government is doing for the youth of this country. Except for the 7 IITs and some Government Engineering Colleges (which are good for nothing), government is not providing any assistance for the students. Those who excel even while studying in Government Engineering colleges are indeed talented people. An average student would not able to do much in these colleges.
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by Chandu on Jul 05, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
It is just a matter of ethics and magnanimity; here, I am not talking about a great sacrifice from the common Indian middle class. I have also worked abroad, and I know what it makes to work in a foreign country. You are treated like a second class citizen in any country you work. You are not worried about that. At the same time, you are very much sensitive about what you are not provided in India. If the govt of India is not doing a great job for you, whose fault is it. As a democratic country, the onus is on the citizens to correct the system and as long as you don%u2019t do it, the developed world will sneer at you, probably you are not worried about even that. Grow up and think, get out of your rigid selfish mindset which you are nurturing for centuries..
What and which Government you are talking about. People here have blind faith. Those who are wedded to the ideas of Congress will vote for them through generations, irrespective of what congree do or does not do. Some others still belive that it the party of Mahatma Gandhi and therefore, thay can't think of voting for any other party. The RSS/BJP people are also rigid and think whatever they say and do are right, irrespecitve what a neutral man thinks. These parties give tickets to criminals, cinluding those charged with rape, murder and even dacoity and without any qualms Indians vote for them. If you do not vote, no problem, they have arrangements and your vote will be cast by someone else! (stright forward rigging and scientific rigging - as in the case of WBengal by CPM is the order of the day here.
REligion, politics and caste war goes on here. Corruption rules everywhere and people are least concerned about fellow being. Jealous and self-centered people.
Nobody loves or hate anybody for no reason. When you say, I like a particular person, or a particular national, you are talking that you like the character, behaviour of that particular individual. I love my India and its people, but what I want is a general improvement in Indians, in all walks of life. I somehow hate USA but that does'nt mean that I should not apprecite the good things about USA.
RE:SHAME SHAME !
by Chandu on Jul 05, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
So what is your message here. There are rowdies, rapists and criminals in Indian Politics. There are blocked manholes in India, So go to some other country%u2026Pathetic Man..I really pity people like you. If your mother goes harebrained one day, Will you call someoneelse%u2019s mother %u2018Mom%u2019. Is it the way you change the world. I callPeople like you %u201Cselfish creeds%u201D.
I can very well understand your love for US, Ramesh. But why you love that country. Is it for their so called %u2018war against terror%u2019 which in my opinion is a genocide affair? Is it for the kind of humanity they have shown right from Vietnam to Iraq? Or Is it for the most compassionate way of killing thousands of innocent people in the world? NO. You love US because you are able to make some bucks there. You have a luxurious life there and you don%u2019t have to bother about any other world including your poor mother country. Well done Mr.Ramesh Babu. You are a great person. You know what Vivekanandan call people like you %u201CDead Ones%u201D, you are the real Ghosts who are haunting a country like India.
I don't say you should go to some other country. But can you suggest anything to improve the preswent condition of your beloved mother land, which is my mother land too. Can you save her from the clutches of the greedy politicians and the mafia raj?
At the same time, I do not belive that all the ills that the country is facing is created by politicians. It is the people of this country, who made its politicians corrupt. Indians have in their blood to do corrupt practices. Can we change this attitude. It is possible, if a concerted effort is made right now so that atleast 25-30 years no onwards, we could dream a better Indian society. First, it is the mind set of the people like you that has to be changed. Just because that India is our mother country, do not insist that everthing here is fine. Learn to admit our shortcomings and try to improve. Don't believe me or take my words. But ask someone else who specialises in antying. Take for example, ask a doctor what is the difference in working India and USA. Ask a scientist how he feels working in USA and in INdia. We cannot match the facilities/infra structure that they provide in USA and it will take a long time for us to come to that level. The sooner we admit that and work towards betterment, it is good for our country.
RE:SHAME SHAME !
by Ack Ack on Jul 05, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Chandu,
You point is valid in certain contexts. The thing is, wherever the Education is good, go and learn it, and afterwards comeback to India to serve. This will be good.
In the US, they pay for your studies, of course, if you are good. They also spend money. I am not supporting US, but just telling you the happenings.
I haven't done any degree in the US, but planning to do one in the US and come back to India to do something good here.
Please do not forget our SWADES ! In these troubled days of Kaliyuga, where the rich-poor divide is only going to get deeper, with 80% of the resources available to 20% of the rich & vice-versa, its high time WE INDIANS rise to the occasion & empower ourselves with the best education (Indian or Foreign), provide primary health & education to all, eliminate corruption at the grass-roots in the society, reduce un-employment, encourage meritocracy in the society & endeavour to make the country a SUPER POWER by 2015 !
Infact, it is a great achievement and comfort for our engineering graduates who either plans to work abroad or even to migrate. A lot of difficulties and hurdle used to be in the past for submitting application to Aus, NZ, UK, USA in any institutions. But I have one question if someone answers, "what is the effective date" ? Is it already inplace?
Great to note our engineering degree is accredited now. Its a move in the right direction to become a signatory to Washington accord. However at the moment this accord covers only the IIT degrees. Its well known fact that our IIT'ians are capable of competing to their overseas counterparts, in otherwards they are doing extremely good job in silicon wally and all. What about other REC's and accredited engineering degrees? There should be some arrangement to get their degrees to be accredited globally. Anyways we have got a break through and we need to push the idea of getting accreditation to all engineering degrees.
RE:Move in the right direction
by Madhusudhan N.R. on Jul 05, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Read the article properly. The accord covers NOT ONLY IITs but NIT/RECs and all other recognized Indian Engg colleges.
This is a heartening development.As of now engineering knowledge is more of theoretical rather then practical knowledge. Indian Universities should focus on building lab infrastructure starting with IIT's and NIT's and moving on to all 1520 engg colleges so that we can be on par with the US model.
