as they are mentioning the goverment move as injurious to elite educatioanl institute. and asking for complete autonomous, .. thats okay. But because of goverment, people are paying very less amount of fee, and there is no such 40-50 lakh.p.anuum of salary. I think these business leader, itself capable of creating business school, even they have. But these institute are not known for excellence. So simply giving a point is not a solution. If they are worrying about educational system in india, why don't they put their independent effort , make centre of excellence institue. Then no one go for govnmt institute.
Most of the India Inc big wigs are IIM alumini. The have created an illusion that there is no talent outside IIMs. Instead of harking on IIM autonomy india inc should look for talent from other institutions.
RE:IIM autonomy & India Inc
by Anurag Shrivastava on Apr 26, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
Your inferiority complex is showing here. Most industry leaders I know of have no special fascination for IIM grads ( or from other top 10 institutes ) except that it enables them to hire fairly bright people at entry level. After that it is just a matter of performance for individual growth. In fact many like to hire non-IIM guys because they come cheaper and are easier to retain and manage !
Mr. Bajaj has addressed the issue of building knowledge based powerful education system in a very correct sense. The institutes likes IIT's or IIM's are known for there quality of education. If the govt members start controlling these institutes there will be delay in many important decisions (Like it happen for admissions) and the efficient working of the institutes will be hampered.
Until & unless these highly esteemed Educational Institutes are granted complete autonomy, any government in power will introduce some new Bill to gain Political Mileage for elections.
Our dirty politicians of all hues are hell bent upon making this country a backward nation and make its citizen feel low in esteem. These dirty rouges have no contribution for the betterment of people but only indulging in destroying the famous institutions of this country for the sake of their vote bank politics. So thick skinned is the present species of Politicians is that they have not heeded to the advice of the President to create more and more oppurtunities for every one so that the need for reservations are not felt. While country like China are investing heavily and creating huge infrastructure for educationa at all levels, our rogue and nasty politicians are busy in dividing people and diverting their attention from their misdeeds by the vote bank politics.
Arjun Singh, the old fox, is not a Human Resource Development Minister but a Hunman Resource Destruction Minister. Shame on you Manmohan Singh, Arjun Singh and Sonia Gandhi and all the bunch of Congress politicians.
Hi IIM shud not be given autonomy. If they are then how can politicians play there dirty game of politics. We shud not allow changes to happen in our systems. We shuld give more oppurtunity for the Politicians to play with our mind, heart and soul. Please support me in the drive againt giving Autonomy to these Elite Institutions.
1. "IIMs should be granted autonomy" It is easy to say that now. Let's not forget that 30-40 years ago the state (with citizens' money) created these great institutions, granted 100s of acres of prime land, lent them full financial assistance (which could have funded 100s of primary schools) etc. with the vision that the IIMs will remain rooted to social commitments. Now that the IIMs no longer need government support they can't simply wash off their hands. 2. "IIM grads walk out with offers of 40-50 lakhs, so let them take loans" By that logic, IIMs should be charging 10-15 lakhs as fees. Why are they subsidising it to 5-6 lakhs? Because of some social realities. Don't we know many banks refuse loans to the really needy ones if they don't have sufficient collateral?
I am not supporting reservations in the current form, but I feel the opposition to it is not well founded.
RE:Why this late realization?
by Anurag Shrivastava on Apr 26, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Were you on cocaine when you wrote this post ? The child has grown and has become bigger and smarter than the father. Nehru was a visionary who created these institute precisely to ensure they become engines of India's growth. Indian polity has been only on a decline ever since I would rather trust a drug lord than the human trafickers who rule the country today. These guys have not created anything new ( except for Golden quadrilateral project which Vajpayee thought of ) - and have only been trying to milk what has been for what it is worth. Men of straw in the government cannot hold a candle to most people who run the Indian industry today - with efficiency and created millions of jobs. The top 5 IT companies themselves have created 3 lakh jobs and will create another lakh in one year or so. And this industry prospered because no one in the government knew how to control it ... and some good leaders in south India like Krshna and Naidu were proactive.
RE:Why this late realization?
by venkataraman krishnamurthy on Apr 26, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
all these jobs are not created per se by IIMs alone. It is only a part . but where have you left other non IIMs and boosting IIMs alone as great with your fake propaganda
RE:Why this late realization?
by manu agarwal on Apr 26, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
this is an immature assertion today the scenario is get the loan if you have a reason and if you have admission in any of the iims any of the banks will be more than wiiling to give you loans and here comes the point wer politician can play good by defraying for the ppl who cant support there educations wen you can do all this shit and hoo-hoba abt quota for thos shitheads cant you do something more meaning ful for the ppl who really need so
RE:Why this late realization?
by venkataraman krishnamurthy on Apr 26, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
what social commitments from those who take up jobs of 40 to 50lakhs. God save this nation. everyone today from doctor to mangement students pay money to get money. DOnt give some nonsense social commitment colour. It is all dead
RE:Why this late realization?
by sushi on Apr 26, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
You are wrong about the loans. The loans extended by banks for IIM students are collateral free. I know because I availed of them many years back. I graduated from the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad.
with the expert comments of big industry leaders like Mr. NANDAN NILEKANI and MR. RAHUL BAJAJ ,i am fully agree to their views to make these higher education institution a deemed and autonomous body like IITs ,so that they could take the decision at their own .
personally i appreciate their continual hard working to make this IIMs an autonomous body.
I don't know if Mr. Manmohan Singh is feeling any shame or guilt for allowing the stifling and at the end finishing of the finest institutions of India such as IIT's IIM's etc even though he was a personal beneficiary of one of the great institutions of the country where he had joined surely because of his Merit. It is just a begining of the end of all the finest institutions of this country starting with IIT's and IIM's by the rascal politicians of this country who do not have any vision except for vote bank politics and would stoop down to any level for getting power.
