There was an email floating around in the past, as said by an Infy heavyweight; %u201Cnever love the company, always love your job, because you never know, when the company loses its love for you%u201D.. the reality of being job oriented, and not employee friendly :-)
RE:It does not make sense!!!
by Anurag Shrivastava on Apr 17, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Well - while I won't subscribe to the conspiracy theory of Hewitt wanting to sell HR work or else ... but I would think that most outstanding employees give a rat's a#2s to such surveys and will not stop joining a Google , Adobe , Accenture , Microsoft , Lehman Brothers ,Goldman Sachs , Booze Allen , Bain , SAP , McKenzie ,Synopsys , etc just because they do not figure in this so called best employer survey.
RE:It does not make sense!!!
by Ashwin Shankar on Apr 18, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
btw.. the companies u mention aren't Indian companies to begin with and I don't think they qualify. Survey results depend on the sample taking the survey and depends on what level of the organization are a majority of the sample from. I work at Samsung Telecom America and I'll tell you for a fact, they treat me great but I think the upper management keeps changing all the time cus they feel the company is not at all employee friendly. Also depends on who you repor to in the company, if your boss happens to be unfriendly, then you'd hate the company naturally but I think the criteria were employee growth and development and job security.
RE:It does not make sense!!!
by Anurag Shrivastava on Apr 18, 2007 09:42 AM Permalink
At least 10 of these companies are not Indian companies. The companies I have mentioned have significant operations in India and hire the brightest and the best. None of the companies in this so-called top 25 best employers can even dream of attracting such employees - which is the criteria for being a best employer.
RE:It does not make sense!!!
by Chait on Apr 18, 2007 12:58 AM Permalink
Dude... do you know that Hewitt is a bigger company than Infy and most of the other companies listed in the top 25 are much smaller when compared to Hewitt? Hewitt has to fake nothing. It just posted what it found. Why do people think Infy or any other company should be on the top? Just because they are most publicised companies who are on the news for some reason or the other? Big companies do not mean BEST employers. They grow by exploiting their employees. I dont see any employee from these top 25 companies complaining here? Why dont you guys accept the fact that there can be many small companies that can be good and offer better for the employees? I dont say that this survey is absolutely correct. But it cant be entirely wrong.... Do try to accept the facts guys...
Most of the good MNCs do not particpate in such surveys and hence do not figure in the list. These are the places where the top ranking IIM grads and IIT/BITs grads join.The quality of a company is known by the kind of talent it attracts. I can tell you with some sense of surity that all the above are mass employers and do not attract the very best of talent - which are your top ranking MBAs and Engineers. Sometimes such surveys are used as fig leaf to hide internal issues and tell the employees that while they are being paid peanuts - they are a great employer to work for !
I have worked with Satyam, I have seen 2-3 cases of exploitation cases in front of my eyes where they were exploted by all means. Satyam tops worst IT company in India to work for.
RE:True_IT
by mghb fthn on Apr 17, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
what kind of exploitation , pls specify. Of course , it is there in different ways and means, otherwise how else will indian companies become big names??? i worked for birla group, was shocked itis there at top and do u know thts the reason birla is expanding his company?? big hit with iims etc and big shit with real employees, at non management cadres.
This is in the top 25 list!! Hahahah!! Is this some kinda joke? This is the worst company i ever worked for. Once you join, you're not an employee but their slave
IJP - INTERNAL JAAN PEHCHAAN. I HV WORKED THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND I WOULD SAY EXCEPT A COUPLE OF MANAGERS, THE WHOLE LOT IS PATHETIC. ATTRITION IS ALMOST 30 % OR MORE AND THAT TOO IN THE MANAGEMENT CADRE LEAVE THE LOWEST LEVEL. TOO CONSERVATIVE TO SPEND ON EMPLOYEES WELFARE.
RE:RE:HCL BPO - IJP
by harish talekar on Apr 17, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
HCL BPO, Chennai is the worst company in the whole world... It is "HELL ON EARTH"
i dont think indian companies are good.i havenot worked with them..and dont know abt their policies..i m in a foriegn MNC and they are having gud policies and gud paymaster as well.they provide great facilities unlike indian MNCs.so its better to join US or UK based MNC.
RE:Best Employer
by kuldeep on Apr 17, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Just saying that Indian companies r not good n foriegn MNC's r perfect is stupid..I hav fairly good idea about both and I believe that it's upon ur capabilities and ur selection of job, which makes u feel satisfied or unsatisfied with job..if u hav good credentials n potential, u can make a lot out of many indian companies..all u need is potential..
Its just that MNC's have a more open environment and liberal culture, which Indian companies don't. MNC's pay you a lot but expect you to slog day in and day out. But Indian cos will pay peanuts, but you can walk out at 6. Depends on your priorities
RE:Best Employer
by mghb fthn on Apr 17, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
plz dont generalise, b specific, do u mean to say everyone slogs in mncs, i can sho u several gals / women who get calls from their bfs / hubbiesand immediatly rush away, it depends on how smart ass u r in running away and not getting caught, im sure if anyone else tries, they d b blasted.
RE:Best Employer
by amit malviya on Apr 17, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
mr.bansal i think u have also construct a niche in ur mind that all that build in abroud is gold .this is only slavery non more than that .i have been working with the cipla ltd. and still i enjoy my hectic job and also progressing well here. i think u must do one thing if u cant help india in its development better not flatter the english we have paid much for this .
RE:Best Employer
by Dontharaju RaviChandra on Apr 17, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
ABCD! what do you mean by indian MNCs and foreign MNCs? MNCs are supposed to be multinational as the name stands...and most of the MNCs in india are foreign MNCs. and more and more work is being outsourced. i won't be surprised if u wld be packing ur bags and coming to india because UR foreign MNC closed their shop there and opens afresh in india. don't live in past. india is not like what you think. we have mercs and bmws too...not elephants like the ppl of ur kind(read ABCDs) think...be proud to be an indian. i am.
RE:Best Employer
by Dontharaju RaviChandra on May 08, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
what does a foreign assignment have to do with what i wrote? currently i am on a foreign assignment and i miss india and my home more than ever...
RE:Best Employer
by gopal adhikari on Apr 17, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
what is your degree Mr Bansal??? do u know u treated there as a cheap labour. why dont u leave in india??? go abroad??? do u have that potential?? i dont think so. so work in india for MNC s as a labour
RE:Best Employer
by bugs forever on Apr 17, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
If you haven't worked for an Indian company, maybe you should refrain from making such sweeping statements!
RE:RE:RE:Best Employer
by Anurag Shrivastava on Apr 17, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
jegan - why not try for a job in one of them ( not the Japanese or Korean ones - they are worse ) if you are qualified enough. You will see a world of difference. Indian companies are typically stingy in providing perks ( especially on travel ) as well as do not respect personal time. Services companies are known to make people work for extraordinary overtime on onsite assigment and not share the overtime billings with employees.
RE:Best Employer
by sameer meher on Apr 17, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
where will you go if these MNC companies fly away from india to some another country like philipiness ..
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by mghb fthn on Apr 17, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
where will u go if indian companies shut doors?? after all there is a cycle of growth and etc.
RE:Best Employer
by jegan on Apr 17, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Dont tell me MNC are good. Please give me some expamples. I work for an indian comp... I am happy
the best employer according to me is the Indian Government.
u dont have to work.
u can take bribes to do something for which u are being paid salary.
u can take bribes for doing something which u arent supposed to do as a govt officer
there is nothing like performance appraisal.
no maika laal can kick u out. infact u can do tht to ur senior..be suspended and earn half the salary sitting at home while the case is pending.. n if u win it thn u get full salary which u missed out while out of service.
u get all the benfits which u can only dream of in a pvt company.
u can live in govt accomodation in the best locations of the city.
RE:The best is missing form the list
by Murali on Apr 17, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
its a job for life. no wonder people play big amounts bribing officials who could ensure their selection.
RE:The best is missing form the list
by Sudip Chatterjee on Apr 17, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Completely agree with you Murali. To add to all your points, if someone manages to be a government officer, he also gets a nice chauffer driven car, invitation to some of the best events in town (think about all the concerts and parties) and domestic help as well.
RE:The best is missing form the list
by Murali on Apr 17, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
u can boost ur ego by making industrialists and other biggies wait outside your room for a meeting with u.
RE:The best is missing form the list
by Ethos K on Apr 18, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
dont keep cribbing...do something abt it...join politics...go clear the system...nope that we wont do...coz we are chickens...puck puck puckkaaa..
RE:The best is missing form the list
by Ravi Shankar S. on Apr 17, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
Well, there is hardly anything over which i can disagree with Mr. Murali
