Government should lookafter only internal and external security and all the other infrastructural activities be given on Built Operate and Transfer basis.
So there will not be any liabilities on Govrerment side. As all efferts and revenues goes in collections. So the whole machinery is of no use.
Privatisation
by Sk on Jul 20, 2006 03:28 PM Permalink
hi, Welcome the 6th pay commission, but stop comparing the pay with IT peoples. A fresh call centre guy earns nearly 10,000, but think, he starts his work in the evening time and he is working the whole night for this salary. It spoils his health. But he is working for the money. Today a software guy is working atleast 14 hrs a day. Will these things possible with Govt. servants. So plz don't compare the unmatched things. There was a period when Govt. employees were earning very high than Pvt. employees. Does anyone discussed about this... So itz the next period
I think setting up of a 6th pay commission is a welcome move. In today's age, when an entry level post of a call centre can pay atleast Rs.10,000 per month, Govt cannot still continue with low & old pay scales. Due to my work exp, I come in contact with some of the brightest individuals who have plethora of duties at a District level/ State level, but whose salaries dont match even that of an Asst.Mgr of a Pvt sector company!
Will this mismatch not force good individuals to become corrupt - because even they have to survive in the society & they have to look after their children???
A day should come, when the Govt sector should be the most soughtafter place to work for the brightest professionals. The same is not possible in a market driven economy by paying peanuts to honest, but capable professionals. The new pay commission is a small step in that direction. Ofcourse on the otherhand, inefficient & lazy officers should be thrown out at the earliest from the Govt!
OK, If trade unions and communists want sixth pay commission, lets have it BUT, 1. They have to allow government implementing all recommendations of fifth pay commission including slashing workforce by 30% 2. Whatever recommendations sixth pay commission does those will be implemented without any objection, even if it includes removing all existing employees.
They can't demand half implementation, either accept all recommendations or none.
RE:What about the drain on government finances?
by rakesh raina on Feb 15, 2006 11:13 AM Permalink
Congrats Mr. Sunil. I am with you. Some Mr. Prakash has mailed some imagination to your response. I am surprised , he is saying you come and work in govt. deptt. Is finding a govt. job that easy.? Everybody should then contact this gentleman. Nevertheless, I along with whole nation (except few corupt and lazy govt employees) join you in demanding a stop to these silly pay commissions.
RE:What about the drain on government finances?
by Nagendra on Jul 20, 2006 03:11 PM Permalink
Hi Mr AnupKumar and others govt suporters..
First stop blaming the pvt sector employee...only their taxes is what enabling govt to pay your salaries...when u talk abt ur friend getting 80K..govt is almost taking 30K as tax that is being paid to 2-3 top scientists of so called good institutions like DRDO ISRO etc..whose fired missiles/satellites fall into seas every now and then. You pitty bride takers shouldn't fight with pvt sectors one..note majority of them are working for MNC's which will be here only when the country will be better in terms of cost of business/living..that demands you poors to remain poors...otherwise too..if they goes to China etc..this govt will find it hard to pay even ur current salary... And yes u stupid scientists of self called premire organn(DRDO/ISRO/HAL/NAL etc..) do not dilute the meaning of premire...ur truth is known to the country...
Yes Indian economy is booming. That´s great. But the government employees are so lazy and corrupt, do they require a raise? The country has lost a lot of wealth due to corruption and due to lazy attitude of the government employees. Why should they be given raise? Giving a raise would not stop them from being greedy.
RE:Is it required?
by Akhilesh Maurya on Jul 24, 2006 03:00 PM Permalink
One shiuld not forget that all gove employees are not corrupt..think about Egineers working in navratna psus like IOCl ,ongc bhel ntpc etc.. they are working hard as well as they are efficient.....
RE:Is it required?
by Anupkumar on Feb 10, 2006 07:01 PM Permalink
Hi, I am sure whatever statistics you have read is either skewed or it probably takes into account of all the ''Ameneties'' that our cabinet babus get. A simple graduate who takes some computer course and joins a software concern and simply do some database management earns easily above 10k and in few years he will be earning above 25k per month. Well, I have science graduate friends who are getting paid nearly 80k per month just after five years of experience for doing as per their own admission sundry work in the name of CRM. Now a PhD from IIT who joins our governments Atomic energy as a Scientist, how much do u think he gets. Blieve me my dear Rs.8000. And you want to compete with developed nations in R&D and what not!! Do you know how many experienced scientists and engineers have been pulled out of BARC, DRDO and ISRO by offer of huge pay by like of GE and Biocon?? Still some stupids (thats what others tell me) like me stay back with government research organisation..not because we have no takers..we have plentry, but becasue of something called internal satsifaction of working for the gov research centre.But I am not sure how long one will stay so when u see even a call
RE:Is it required?
by wildfish on Feb 10, 2006 06:51 PM Permalink
Yes you are absolutely right. Why not set a commission to monitor the performance of the GOVT employees. No body would do that. The union wont let it happen.. boss do something and then ask for a hike. Rule of the thumb no
RE:Is it required?-contn
by Anupkumar on Feb 10, 2006 07:09 PM Permalink
when even a call centre guy earns much higher and leads a better std of life. Please stop cribbing abt pay for gov employees. Its nothing, if u come in and see closely, its a pittance. What one has to insist is accountability. In research establishments you will see that the supporting staff is about four times higher in number than the scientists. Well, may be govt wanted to give more jobs, fine. But it has to make sure that they do the work they are supposed to. If you are paying to somebody make sure that you get back a solid contribution in terms of work from the employee. Instead, if one concentrates on reducing pay, you will be left only with monkeys in gov sector, becasue thats what u get when you pay peanuts. Already I am finding people raising eyebrows when we say we work for the government despipte our high qualifications, and I can already see this trend in the students coming out now, they find it stupidness to join a government service for this salary. By the way, I forgot to tell you..do you know how much our Padmasree awarded and internationally acclaimed scientists get paid, who are in their end of service??..not more than 25000 dear!
RE:Is it required?
by S K Paul on Jul 20, 2006 03:58 PM Permalink
I don't understand why there is hue and cry when the pay commissions are being set once in a decade. Most of the messages posted carry words like corrupt, inefficient, greedy etc. How many of you have come across such situations in your life with a central government employee? The behavioural attitude of employees have changed since last two decades. There are still certain areas where the employees can improve themselves but in most of the cases I hold the public responsible. A passenger without a confirmed ticket in a train tries to bribe a TTE and get the reservation done. We ourselves lure the employees to get our jobs done and to be done quickly. That way we rotten the system and blame the employees. There is a high percentage of employees who still have integrity, commitments in their jobs. As one rightly said, there are numerous examples where experienced beuracrats, scientists, engineers are leaving government jobs after completion of 20 years? How many citizens are aware of it? And do you know the reasons? Find for yourself. Private companies have numerous medical facilities?
RE:Is it required?
by k.karthik on Feb 10, 2006 09:57 AM Permalink
dear sunil, it seems that u have some kind of biasing against govt. employees.i do agree that some govt. employees are corrupt indeed but have u ever thought why they tend to be corrupt? the reason is that they are underpaid when compared to their private conterpart.for e.g a professional (engineer etc.,) working in a private concern with 2-3 years experience earns about 4-5 lakhs per annum whereas a govt. employee with similar exp. in a premium organisation(ISRO,BARC,HAL,NAL etc.,) earns only 2.5 lakhs/annum.
RE:Is it required?
by Nirmal on Jul 21, 2006 03:55 PM Permalink
First thing Pls. don't compare private jobs and government jobs. Before speaking about private company pay package u should consider 1. Risk Factor - no job guarntee 2. Work Load - do your work and get paid. 3. Nill Benefits (like subsidised goods etc. from canteen etc.) 4. Nill Post service bebifits - no concept of pension. 5. Ill-treatment by government authotities (in the form demanding bribes/comparitively hihg bribes etc.)
RE:Is it required?
by Arun on Feb 10, 2006 10:45 AM Permalink
Hi Mr. Sunil,
All Government employees are not corrupt. The number of sincere and hard-working government employees are quite large in number, because of whom, the government is functioning smoothly. Corruption is prevalent in all sectors, one cannot single out government employees. What do you have to say about politicians?
I was just reading the article "6th Pay commission may derail the economy" Based on the statistics and figures presented there I made a few quick calculations.
The average salary of a central government employee in 1999-2000 stands at Rs. 13202.42 to be exact. A reference has been made to the share of state governments ration of revenue to salaries being 90% and some states unable to pay salaries.
What strikes me as a first thought from all this is that engineers in India might not have such a grand average salary. And secondly, all the taxes that we pay and all the harasment that a tax payer undergoes is only to pay salaries of non performers. Moreover the government demands these taxes as a right which i can only equate to the communist maxim of "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need"
To eloborate would read that those who are capable of earning good money have to pay more taxes and those who cannot get government jobs and take up the job harrasing people to demand money as salaries rightly due to them!!!
If Govt. is sitting on cash booty why is budget deficit there. Why does finance minister has to come up with silly taxes? And why does PM says they don't have money for Rural Employment scheme? How can Govt. pay a person if he can be held accountable for his work? Unless accountability and efficiency is brought in the Govt. Jobs, India will keep on bleeding.
Where is all the reform friendliness of the Congress and its inspirational leadership now?Obviously even if the new pay commission makes any noises about downsizing government,that part will never be implemented...what will increase for sure will be the wage bill of the government.Who is to be held responsible for opening up this Pandora's box?This time with the 'honourable'PM having made the announcement,Congress sympathisers can't even take the old route of blaming the left for all the populist economic decisions by the UPA government.
RE:Bravo Congress!
by Vijay on Jul 21, 2006 03:29 PM Permalink
How many employees in govt. service is sincere and hard working. Almost 80% are hardly working. Are they public friendly? Do they believe in ROI. I am not against for a raise in salary for govt employees if the employment rules also to changed like MNC. as non-performers can be thrown out. 80% of the job in govt service are done by 20% of the people, only because of that 20% things are getting done.
Why everyone gets agitated when the Government employees asks for raise in their salary once in 10 years? The Nationalised banks revise their wages every 3 years and their process of next revision starts immediately the moment the revised wages are announced. Similar is the case with Insurance Cos.
After merger og 50% of DA for the purpose of DA,HRA,CCa and other entitlment , the major impact of pay revision is all ready taken. If pay revision is delayed further it will amount to higher aspiration from the union as comparison is always done with the status of factors on negotiation day and due date i.e.1-1-2006
