So, Mr Sanjeev. Ur Message shows ur Frustration only. I would like to remind u the message once said by Sachin Tendulkar for sanjay Manjraehar that "If u Don't know the Inner Details u should not make comments like this". Such messages posted by People like u, can't change the Real Facts.
Man agreed infosys sucess is phenomanal , but it seems Rediff has taken some contract to write only and only about infy everyday continiouly .. there are other companies like TCS , Wipr, Satyam and loads and loads of others who have made their mark..
Write about them We had enough and enough of infy pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
Infosys is nothing but a Grass Cutting company. If Infosys has really achieved something then that is Money and Infrastructure. An intelligent company has all the following this: 1> Their own products 2> I.P (Intellectual Property) 3> Develop something and get Royalty
So the company is no more than a dry cleaner kind of shop.
Grow UP......u may sound great in front of Indians who are patriotic but not in front of NRI's who really know your stature....
RE:infosys
by Suresh on Aug 18, 2006 06:27 PM Permalink
Sanjeev - As an NRI definitely you will compare this to the stature of giant Qualcomm/Motorola etc in US. But for indians , it is something to be proud of for generating so many jobs india which never existed in the past. Don't compare achievement indian companies with that of Americans. Since indian independence in 47 it was really a struggle to reach to this level. USA is 230years old we are just 60. We will take this as a base & can go on achieve what you are talking about. Royalties, IP,Patents will come for sure in another 10-15years time. Suresh
RE:infosys
by guy_in_ny on Aug 18, 2006 04:41 PM Permalink
--- ever heard of "finacle" sanjeev.... almost all the leading banks in india are using this product for there banking solutions.... so much for products
--- Intellectual property, can comment much but being in top 3 spot every year since last 5 years means it has a lot of it, U being a NRI should know that it is fish eat fish world here
--- develop something and get royalty, thats not there primary business. So no wonder they are not doing it.
RE:infosys
by Ajit on Aug 18, 2006 04:35 PM Permalink
Sanjeev, Looks like you are a NRI with low regard for services. Have you heard of a company called IBM which would have died by now if they had not got in Global Services. Do you know of someone called Accenture - are they a dry cleaner shop? Start thinking - one needs to leverage the strengths you have, India has lot of talent! IP in today's context is momentary, you develop it today, if someone has it before you, it is worthless. All that matters is are you able to run a profitable business, good for your employees and share holders. Do you know what is the bottom line of Infosys? Can you imagine what it takes to make a $ 2Billion software entity? If you would, such comments would never come out!
RE:infosys
by rakesh on Aug 18, 2006 05:13 PM Permalink
i agree, what r they doing with picking up top minds for indian colleges, just delivery some pieces of code. still they have not been able create a global s/w product or IP. i dont see any innovation. yes they have done things differently but not something great. They riding on the waves of globle economy which is doing well currently.
RE:infosys
by Sanjay on Aug 18, 2006 05:38 PM Permalink
Mr.Sanjeev I don think You understand what a services company does.. It does not develop products and force clients to use them instead it makes wat the cleint wants.. Ask the few hundreds of guys who wake up everday dreaming to work for the company.. ask people from united states, china and australia who are ready to work for an Indian company.. And please don ask NRI's who have nothing to do but sit and complain about the way things are done in India... it aint right criticise a company which has accept it or not become the face of global reach of Indian Economy.. India has grown Up so has Infosys, but have you woken up to see all this...
RE:infosys
by yuvaraj on Aug 18, 2006 11:41 PM Permalink
As a RI, I agree with Mr. Sanjay. These types of companies not only pickup top minds from CSE and IT branch and also from other engineering branch from reputed colleges. They are utilized for doing service to their foreign clients not for doing product or creating IP. I fear that because of under utilization of top minds in other engineering filed, technology development in India may not happen. Many of us buy and use cell phones; many people may not know that many thousands of rupees are charged for technology per handset and goes out of India. The major reason for outsourcing of developed nation is to concentrate on their core business. They can do innovation and technology development rather than doing routine work like data entry, software coding and debugging. They can do lot with system analysis, design and integration. Increasing the intellectual pool in their countries they can concentrate on science and technology development. They can dominate the world by technology. Whereas in india top minds are utilised for service rather than technology development. Today World roles on technology but in future real business will be on technology not on service.
RE:infosys
by PS on Aug 18, 2006 09:00 PM Permalink
Look who is talking. The guys who go abroad to make money, rather than contribute something to the Indian economy directly (sending money home is not an example of this), whose only IP is the stamped passport and visa to the US, giving lectures on what a company should do in order to qualify being great in their eyes.
Why must a company only develop products and have an IP to be a great company? Who gave you the right to decide what a great company is?
RE:infosys
by satya on Aug 18, 2006 05:32 PM Permalink
If you accuse Infy of not developing IP, then the same accusation has to be levelled to all other Indian IT companies. But the accusations dont stick because none of the Indian IT companies claim this or boast about this.
They are pure IT services companies, with very little focus on product development. I dont see why it is wrong. Infy is great in its own way, just like a Wipro or a TCS because these companies are at the forefront of India's IT services and outsourcing success. These companies had the vision to see an opportunity and grab it with both hands. Thats why they are great. They were started during our License and Socialist Raj and grew despite lack of Govt help in the initial years. Thats why they are great.
You are saying "If Infosys has really achieved something then that is Money" Isnt that what companies are built for? If any company exists for anything else, then it does not have any business to exist!
Its true that the Indian IT story is incomplete without good products, and one can probably blame the Indian IT companies for that, but that does not take an iota away from their tremondous success!
And dont talk with that holier than thou attitude!
RE:infosys
by sanjeev on Aug 19, 2006 11:40 AM Permalink
In response to Sanjay & Suresh::: For Grass Cutting job if someone gets handsome money it does not mean that you will employ IAS officers. The difference is why to put the cream of the country for service jobs(IIT-ians). Better put your resources in R&D. Oh man if Infosys which claims that they are into Hi-Tech then this is my challege to them, to show only 5 good RF engineers. The answer is NULL/ZERO. I myself interviewed them and was highly disappointed. The same way TATA should not waste his time & energy in manufacturing SALT only.
If you do not change your way of working then you will be failure, this service sector model can be easily copied by any third class country but the IP(Intellectualy Property) model cannot be copied unless you really have good brain.
Infosys, Wipro are really doing Brain Drain.....by mixing sewage water with mineral water....good brains with junk work
All Indians are proud of the brand image that Infosys has created through sheer hard work and commitment.Well knowing Nandan personally, I do recall, for shaping the urban policy- sparing of his extremely precious time,to listen to Skybus case. His comment is right, for innovations to flower, only private enterprise can help- government policies are inherent killers of any innovation.
RE:Infosys is still 2nd placed
by suraj on Aug 18, 2006 04:33 PM Permalink
no offense to nandan nilekani and infy also tcs s one of d top placed companies in india but dont u think its tougher to control a manufacturing sector thn an it sector (i know both r awsome but still i think its the workers which make d difference betn an IT and mfg company
