Thanks for writing such a big article why reservations should not be allowed in these instituets. But have you ever thought why you could go to such institues? Not because of merit but only because education was 100% reserved for upper castes for thousands of year. Why merit should be a big issue now which we did not consider until last 2 decades.
Please give an apportunity to other people to grow.
hi, If the reservation is mandatory y not they put some condition like, half of the people should go doctors of some reservation. can MP's MLA's can do that. Yes, we have learnt lessons from suppressed history of caste devision. R they going to repeat it ? they r successers of policy "Divide and Rule".
RE:Y not reservation every where ?
by sgpal on May 14, 2006 09:24 PM Permalink
my comments about toilet tissues seem to have touched raw nerves, of few people who intend to use and benefit from it or have used and benefitted from it.Be that as it may, let me make my points clear. 1.If we agree that all human beings are equal in all respects ( I have my own reservations about that and pun intended), then why reserve? 2.If you do not agree that all human beings arfe equal then Are you reserving for mental incapability? though this incapability is due to years of survitude a point not proved beyond reasonable doubt, if accepted can be widely publicised and the fellows can place next to their degree a note to say reserved category.Is this acceptable? 3.Lets take sports.Why All cricketers are not Sachins? iS ANY ONE WITH capabilities asking for reservation? Any one with two gray cells will see through the games of the scum of earth politicians.If you lack even 1 gray cell then every thing is due to forward caste scums who have meticulously denied opportunities and shall do so even for unborn children of the low castes.
RE:Y not reservation every where ?
by sgpal on May 16, 2006 08:26 AM Permalink
Clutch= To seize /grab/garsp/seize/hang on to Crutch= To support,prop. The crutch of toilet tissue is clutched by the positively negatively IQ fellows to get to the top and the incompetency clutched govt issues more toilet tissues
RE:Y not reservation every where ?
by sgpal on May 16, 2006 08:19 AM Permalink
My posting has really flared a raw nerve of many! Lets examine the truth.Is there a caste certificate issued by the Government of India? Yes /No.If no caste is a creation of the society and has to be abolished. The Govt does isuue this toilet certificate and there 3600 and odd castes tryong to get the sacred toilet tissue for preservation.In the family's safe has to be kept secretly, to be brought out promptly when the positively negative IQ child applies for a medical or engineering or lucarative course, where there is stiff competition.Bingo the caste toilet works wonders.Deny this ? Do not keep on harping on the same rubbish of thousands of years of oppression etc.There are many children with a negative IQ in many castes and they do not have that caste advantage, and the govt of India is aware of this and also konows that these negative IQ people constitute majority while voting.Hence the drama will continue.For as long as these fellows depend on the toilet tissue for a seat, their merit and competemce in my mind is always suspect.Dont assume that I belong to forward caste.I may be a muslim, christian,atheist,communist and host others.
Sir I understand the reservations are punishment (? undeserved) for the forward castes for the sins supposedly committed in the past. Lets assume in the past 71 years the reservations have been in place have punished enough of us.If yes why continue with it? If enough is not enough the govt can say " we shall punish you the forward caste fellows for X number of years" and then the people can remain silent at least till then. What percentage of the population are from backward and sc st classes? do we have an idea? The incompetent,unintelligent morons depend on this toilet paper called caste certificate issued by another moronic body called Government of India and the same government wants to make India a casteless society.Great.Two morons are leading us as per the divine wishes
RE:reservation
by kk on May 11, 2006 01:00 AM Permalink
NEED OF Reservation: 1.OBCs talking "so-called Merit" are able to read today due to equality in society(thousands shed blood). If "merit" is criteria non-brahmins might not attended schools. It's not important about SANCTITY of the IIT or IIMs but about equality of "SOCIETY" 2.IITians or IIMites are getting into the institutes by high-paid coaching classes for > year. 3.It is common peoples tax in funding institutes and return back to them by res 5.peoples talking about merit-A QUESTION: will you accept meritorious students of chinese and americans into IIT. why those seats are reserved only for indians? -because we pay tax. Then why not reserve some for tax payers who are at large? 6.brahmin sowed hatred among lower caste hindus, chris,mus enjoy hospitality of christian west-most IITian 7.Low caste women raped by upper-caste peoples urine-drinking at bihar jail.murder low-caste candidate on elections-tamilnadu-part of our society 8.How 2% population rule 89% in the name of merit for 2000 years.use our tax-get educated-settle at foreign country 9.scientific inst-IISc,IIT,BARC,IIM,central Univs-are filled by fanatic Brahmin Prof. 10.Media-Hindu,IndExp,TimesofIndia-TVS-90%brahmin
RE:reservation
by Mahen on Apr 11, 2006 12:04 PM Permalink
Let me answer Answer : First of all I would like to say why you want call this as punnishment. What happen in the past was a mistake and not a sin. and for the communities which were depressed for long time in our history do deserve this reservation. Answer : For last 71 years you are not getting punnished .. This the opportunity provided to them. and the results are showing up... The colligue with you ... people woking bleow you and people working above you are from this community.. Answer : for SC and ST there was always a reservation for them and till this point there was no question about quaility of these student.. So please do not questions on SC and ST. and Always OBC was a part of that remaining open seats.. so there will not be much difference... It happens you always ask the question to open category students or parents... It is just like asking a question to a pakistani who will win a match betwwen India and Pakistan and answer is obvious.. With the media people are doing the same thing which was done before 71 years... Dont talk about giving monetory help to reserved category .. these people can manage money but reservation is the only way to get oppurtunity
RE:reservation
by ram on Apr 11, 2006 04:19 PM Permalink
71 years is not enough. Cast system existed for more than 1000 years. So the quota should be there till all who lacked the knowledge for centuries, get equal competency. It is the cast system made the society today so incompetent, and poor. The so called merit people could not defend themselves (hence given control of India to Muslims and British),and did nothing great when all over the world was enjoying its scientific inventions. It till the British came ,and show them that how "incompetent and fools" are so called merit people. It was the West who showed them that there exist far better and competent people than you. All that upper cast people did was to balk in the service given by lower caste people. The so called "toilet paper" you called is used by "upper cast people" for more than 1000 years(education and other facilities only for upper cast people). Open up your eyes. Think before you write. There are better people everywhere. What they need is opportunities and support to come up from the shallow
RE:reservation
by dr.parth on Apr 11, 2006 11:25 AM Permalink
so..u r enough of it?the so called punishment called reservation??what about the sufferings the ppl from backward classes are bearing for thousands of years ?now that these ppl are demanding their right ,ppl like are clinching ur fists in rage!!
RE:reservation
by Swamy on Apr 11, 2006 08:53 AM Permalink
I appreciate your anguish, frustration, which lasted for only 71 years. But can u think who created the caste society, these ideas are frm the forward castes people only. The fwd caste numbers are less now in India, becoz u people already placed in highly placed agraharas like USA, UK, IT companies etc., Wat shall poor backwards in INdia do, let them have the reservations? Let them educate & let them also build an young new vibrating agraharas in India. Remember, Mandal commision report is not implemented as written like. It was modified according to the vested interests of fwd community people and introduced creamy layer too. There was a Krishna avataara acted in the VP singh government tenure to get back the Mandal's implementation attention towards uniterested and unholy issue viz.Baabri Masjid demolition. It was not an issue to be created, this issue killed thousands of innocent backward people. I mean if u count how many fwd community people died in this clash? Can u count???? The latter example was in the recent times. I too hate caste system, it should be eradicated completely. India's agricultural wealth is contributing nearly 60 % of the GDP. Who are those people, majorit
RE:reservation
by naveen jain on Apr 13, 2006 02:17 PM Permalink
i fully agree. we don't know who cmmitted sins in past but one thing is sure that our chidren will suffer.then after 100 years they may be given some reservation. but only if people form general category survives till then.
RE:reservation
by Sidhartha on Apr 11, 2006 10:37 AM Permalink
Dear sir, Looking at your letter it seems to be written with keeping some grouse in mind.Do you know the implementers of the reservation policy is the so called forward castes.Its a joke to believe that the TIGER will be the protector of GOAT.No of years cannot be counted,but what benifit gained by the deservers by the reservations for the last 71 years. Thousands of years cannot be compensated with just 71 years. sidartha
RE:reservation
by no to non-sense on May 10, 2006 03:30 AM Permalink
read quite a lot right from toilet paper to use of toilet paper, don't feel much is needed among such non-sense issues of toilets. only few should suffice:
"toilet papers are worth toilet papers only, no matter what you do or try", in end it is Darwin's, "survival of fittest", and for toilet papers historical minds, fittest don't use clutches.
and one for toilet paper historians:
"History can not be changed", if you try to undo history you will waste present for it and cry in future because time is too short, toilet paper roll finishes fast and is replaced faster by the user. try to contribute to development in ways you can, even toilet paper is useful but in its proper place, only.
an advice for sensibles:
work hard not on toilets, better invest this time in studies you may then compete in a better way. don't give excuses, if you have a reason put it forward, if any resource is scarce bring it to notice, why ask for clutches? No one can ride road for you, in end you have to walk yourself (if not you, some future generation of yours will have to), so better learn to walk on your own feet at earliest.
RE:reservation
by chandra on Apr 11, 2006 11:00 AM Permalink
What ya say? Its Mandal Commision Part 2. IITS and IIMS are now targetted with a 49.5 % why only 49.5? u can also provide some thing for politician called political Quota 20 %. Ruling majority Quota 10 %.
why spending on Entrance Test (and claimming only the Best of the Best would be taken in)
Also there were talks of providing Reservation in private sector jobs (apart from current public services).
if Hon.Court stays the reservation, then amend a law so that the will of political parties prevail.
Congratulations Mr Arjun Singh. yes thats the way we can make india a Reserved Developed country.
RE:reservation
by Ravi on Apr 12, 2006 04:00 PM Permalink
Dear friend
you r so angry of diagnosing the reservation pill.
Do u accept that all sectors in the society needs their due share of representation in all functional bodies of the government start from school to parliement?
if your answer is yes, then you have to accept reservation. Why r you so hurry my frriend? you 50.5 open quota in which you can compete and get if u r really qualified.
don't try to blame the system alone. Just read history - it repeats the same.
RE:reservation
by rames on Apr 11, 2006 10:18 AM Permalink
I really support your message...As an IIT passout, I feel that the need to urge everyone to start thinking rationally is necessary here...
Competent people have been loosing out becos of these useless reservations...
RE:reservation
by shubham basu on Apr 11, 2006 02:49 PM Permalink
Thankfully I am already through the churnful period of education. I had a good experience alright, which I feel lucky about, but everybody is not so lucky. I and my friends have a common opinion about all the reservation and hardlife thing (after grade 12). We would want our children not to get apalled by the indian system of education. I discouraged my younger brother to take IIT-JEE (after being a traditional member of the system), I helped him break off from the torment. He feels glad about it, and I feel triumphed. The last word-- My future children are not getting educated in India.
RE:reservation
by Pradeep on Apr 11, 2006 08:54 AM Permalink
My dear friend, My B.R. Ambedkar had decided to enforce the reservations for 50 years which got over in 2003. It is the politicians of the 21st century which have not got it continued for the next 50 years. After which the modern generation would "democratically" decide what to do with it. My guess is as good as yours.
