this article is more like reading a diary of a movie buff who occasionally watched sports(cricket only). his employers (..Yale , Stanford , University of California at Berkeley) should get his credentials and passport/visa verified, as has been acknowledged by the writer himself that indians could get passport or a degree by corrupt means(bribery/forgery). he doesn't have the foresight when he says that democracy has failed in pak., bangladesh,nigeria etc.etc.,why? the reason is clearly written on the wall, because they are predominantly islamic countries unlike India, where democracy could survive due to lenient, forgiving and exterme tolerant predominantly hindu population. the author is absolutely dumb also in pointing out about nehru.it was due to him that india is now in shambles and confused.had he allowed sardar patel to be the 1st p.m., india would have had now been already a power to reckon with. correctly saying about economic boom since last 10 years, can't the author see that it was during this period that saw the end to long congress run. it was due to other parties esp. the NDA period, during which economic development started !!! now these middlemen called congress is following the path and patting their backs !! i can go on..
RE:article author's credentials ought to be verified by FBI
by daimavane on Aug 28, 2007 02:59 AM Permalink
You are claiming to be harvard educated. You comments are no indication of that. Either you;re lying or Harvard education is bad!
Why are the citizens of India so timid, they tolerate, disgusting conduct of the Politicans, police, the bureacrats and the judiciary ... NOW the confidence being felt within Indians, due to rapid economic progress, should also be felt in other areas...like confidence to usher in change ...
A NGO ...People for Legal and Emotional Assistance to the Deserving... "PLEAD" has been formed in Bombay to organise people to combat corruption...We would very much like this group to have as many Citizens as possible... Citizen' who can give suggestions & provide moral Support. ----------------------------------------------
Guha has brilliantly analysed the unity of India and gives credit to the foresight of the founding fathers.He misses one unique aspect of india'culture from times immemorial.india was one when a Keralite Shankaracharya travelled from Badrinath to Kankyakumari and established four centers of excellence in the four cornersof India.India was one when the scholars of Kashi held discourses in the same langusge with the scholars of Kochi in he south.India has been one becoz of its Vedic(hindu) ethos.It is secular not becoz of Nehru or Gandhi but becoz of a history of thousands of years of tolerance and democratic freedom to say what a Rishi or a saint wanted to say in Bengal or Tamilnadu.It never persecuted the worshippers coming from faroff places like christians,Parsees or muslims.The founding fathers ere imbued with these ideals from the hoary past. Dinesh
RE:Guha and his book
by RABI KANUNGO on Aug 27, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
Dineshji, A well written opinion though I have not gone through Shri Ram Chandra Guha's book. Thank you very much. Let me add a point - when we say 'Hindu', it never adequately projects India's past with all adapatabilities, beauty and glamour that Indians tought from it. If nothing interfered in the course of history there was no necessity to teach Indian anything that was later termed as 'secularism'. Historically, Hindu is a confusing word that was imposed upon India and we are trying to be familiar. Rabi Kanungo Intellectual Forum.
With due respect to all, the law of karma has to unfold, dont worry if you have the infrastructure or not, if you have the will to walk the extra kilometers on flooded roads,through corrupt officials,in devasting heat, and against a deluge of jelousy, you will make it.
For inspiration, look at the Bombay Dabbawallas, who are unlettered but highly educated, poor but highly moral, they have been rated at 99.99 percent on Six Sigma scales, the same rating as BHEL,Infosis,AT&T and Motorola, because they DELIVER, come what may!
If you want success for your self and family, you can take extreme punishment and flourish.
NOTE-The above message is not intended for Indians(rich or poor) who dont have the hunger to suceed.
If one looks at the last 60 years of independence and ponder over it there are some fact that emerge very clearly.First the linguistic,ethnic and caste diversities of Hindu Society played a big role in successful functioning of India as secular and democratic society.These diversities stopped the Hindu majority coming together as one and imposing itself on the society. The pan Indian nature of basic Hindu culture ensured that India as a society glued together very well. Secondly the inclusive and tolerant character of Hindu philosophy played a major part to this end.Last but not the least the galaxy of leaders with their wisdom helped to create a vision that could be shared by all irrespective of caste,religion,ethnic identities.
RE:Odds are heavily staked against India
by Vinay Gupta on Aug 25, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
Why you unnessarilily mentioed " inclusive and Tolerant character" of Hindu philosopy. Bhai intellectuals like you shud keep reapting that India is united because Hindus are divided and so Hindus shud be divide to keep india united.
RE:Odds are heavily staked against India
by ramaswamy shankar on Aug 26, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
I don't mean to say Hindus are divided or Hindus should be divided to keep India united.It is merely stating the fact that Hindu Society is not homogenous in character.This diversity of Hindu Society is mainly responsible for ideas like secularism getting ingrained in our society.These facts are undeniable.
Guha, Is is a self proclaimed communist who just takes pride in abusing hindus of india in his pinko mouthpiece The Hindu.These morons like Guha and N Ram propagate communist ideology from their paper the The Hindu..I hope people realise these cunning and crooked people and kick them to their chinese masters.
RE:Guha is a commie
by sudhir dhar on Aug 25, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Just for the record,Ramachandra Guha's father is a BJP corporater from Bagh Bazaar.They come from a linage of Vaishnavas.Why label them commies if you dont know them?
RE:Guha is a commie
by Srinidhi Chakravarti on Aug 26, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Sudhir, it is very clear he is a communist by the way he talks. To comment about his father being a BJP corporater, what would you say for Somnath Chatterjee's father who was in the RSS? There are many examples like these but one do not need to assumpt "if we dont know them, why comment on them". Guha is certainly a communist, or rather i should say, an opportunist - as all commies are. If India is surviving even today, if India has survived the past, and if India will successfully survive the future, it is solely because of Hinduism - not the 'ism' that our corrupt politicians (right from Gandhi, Nehru to the present ones) have defined. Hinduism is the culture every individual in this whole subcontinent has in his blood. It may have been distorted now, but it does exist in most of them. We perform pooja when we bring home a new computer, we believe in god rather than brakes, and that certainly makes India tick. Opportunists like the Corrupt Congress, Caramchand Gandhi, Communists, Christians -- all are C's have indeed made and are still making our great nation feel "down". As rightly put in one of rediff's earlier articles - When communists departed as Chinese Agents and Russians agents, who are Indian agents? - we need leaders like Savarkar, Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Chatrapati Shivaji etc. An iota of those characters can be seen in Modi who is being unsuccesfully trampled by indian media. Communism will surely see its death soon which is very clearly visible. Look at the
RE:Guha is a commie
by pawan kumar on Aug 25, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
True. He has no respect for Hinduism. He just wants to malign the Hindus, he cant get publicity by imbibing his communist features and condemning hinduism
RE:RE:Guha is a commie
by Vinay Gupta on Aug 25, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
Sri, that is where the Hindu fail. Hindu shud learn the art of propagating their ideoly under the cover of neutarality, impartiallity etc etc.
All these so called intellectuals are communists and are being paid by them that is why it is Left which is in loggerhead with Govt and in most of the articles appearing these days end is with condemning BJP
RE:Guha is a commie
by S Narain on Aug 25, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
If Dr Guha was a commie ,why should he be teaching in the worlds best universities of USA. like.. ..Yale ..Stanford ..University of California at Berkeley.
If he was commi,He should be teaching in China or Russia like our rootless commies,i.e Karat, yechury etc..
Dr Guha understood India 50-50. Hindi films are Urdu. Dr Guha fails to recognized Bollywood is used extremely Islamicised, and being a Bengali its a shame he resents Sanskritized Hindi which is more akin to his Bengali. Again, Guha talks about Hindu right wingers and fails to even touch on the subject of rise of madressas all around India, and Talibanisation of the neighborhood which is bound to affect India. Guha fails to dwell on the effects of partition and millions of Bengalis & Punjabis on the streets, and mass scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus from E and W Pakistan. The book is bound to be a 50-50 perception of India.
RE:Fifty-fifty
by S Narain on Aug 25, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
How do you expect a historian to raise controversial issues???? I do believe that right after independence there was use of urdu in good measure in many films. Urdu has a good deal of hindi woven into it and has eveolved as khari boli.Hence ,in the Indian composite culture ,Urdu is a compliment to Hindi & not an antgonist. Of late,the link of underworld in bollywood is a matter of great concern for any Indian . There is general degradation in our culture ,which shows fissure and may lead to a situation where it would be difficult to manage the country. Dr Guha has expressed these concerns, Even Mian Mussaraf is concerned about radicalisation & Tailbanisation in Pakistan. He has the guts to take action. But if there is similar action in India , .. First congress or left would not allow that in the name of secularism ... There would be hue & cry in the world against the action. Secularism in India is flawed, For ,its real success ,we have to support honest and clean politicians. Congress has given birth to corruption starting from Nehru.Hence , should take balme for the failures mentioned by the historian. I also am suprised that ,he failed to mention about the left goons in WB ,who converted once prosperous WB to a backward state. Dr Guha what have got to say about leftists????
RE:Fifty-fifty
by sudhir dhar on Aug 26, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
Shankar, Guha is a title used in Karnataka also, it denotes a person who comes from the caste of the persons who ferried Shri Ram,Laxman and Sitaji accross the river.
I know you are a racist, but just wanted to point out to you, that Ramchandra Guha is Kannadiga, not because he stays in Bangalore, but because his family is from there and he was born there.
Its a shame you are spreading ethnic hatred.Why dont to go back to Haridwar and do mundans of the unlettered piligrims who come ther and earn your money,you are an absolute misfit in this forum of the lettered!
RE:Fifty-fifty
by Shankar Panday on Aug 27, 2007 10:03 AM Permalink
If I was spreading hatred why are Hyderabadis running for cover? why is Bangladesh down to 12% Hindus. Get a brain Dhar.
RE:Nuclear deal best possible thing for India: Tata
by on Aug 25, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
Tata is a businessman. He better not bother or speak about the national issues.
He never shared his wealth. Infosys did that.
Tata is responsible for the brutal rape and murder of Tapasi Malik in Nandigram. What a shameless behaviour?
RE:Nuclear deal best possible thing for India: Tata
by S Narain on Aug 25, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
I agree that Tata is a great company who have refused to bribe govt. from ,Indira days and suffered due to this. Many ,Indian business houses have paid huge bribes to get unfair advantage in their business. These fellows have exploited their own country,worse than British. They are Gaddar. These have eaten away the vitals of country and made India weak. These corrupt business can sell their mother for money,because ,money is God for them. But ,I have worked with Tatas .They are truely great and cleaner . Only Indian enemy would call Tatas as bad. They have created wealth in the most clean and ethical way.Abroad ,their car can be seen in many countries all over the Globe. They were prevented from getting License for manufacturing car by Ambassdor( Birlas)& Fiat, who never invested money in R&D ,but always paid bribe to their freinds in congress like Nehru/ Indira.
People talk of Tata with huge respect in all the foreign countries.
RE:Nuclear deal best possible thing for India: Tata
by Gopalakrishnan Nair on Aug 25, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
For your kind info, 60% of Tata's profits is given away for charity.
RE:Nuclear deal best possible thing for India: Tata
by sunil sirohi on Aug 27, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
why dont you stop moosa. get back to pak. or bangladesh where you belong to.
