Government should have adequate arragments to avail the educational facilities at minimum cost for each & every citizen. education should be compusary to all, without discrimination, if you give admission only to higher scorer, the average & above average become more vulnerable, nature has not given the same opportunities or same brain efficiency to every one, some people despite high efforts could not get good marks. A nation should make arragment for them & enable them to sit and go along with the aspirent students. otherwise in near future India will be only compared with Bangladesh or Pakistan!!!!!
Gone are the days when we were students and cold walk into any college and obtain admission. Today.our Govt is so slack nay controlled by so many politicians that, it is left to the whims and fancies of each college administration to set their cut-off percentages/fees. Parents and students should rise up and fight this tooth and nail. Time is not far when all colleges may ask for 100 % only and make all others 'Pay for their seats' Its time we think of the have nots too... where will they go ? Leo D'Souza .Nagpur.
RE:College Admissions
by ISFANDIAR HOSAINPUR on Jun 27, 2007 08:42 AM Permalink
Government, Rich communities, NGO and volunteer organizations people of India should raise themselve to make Primary and college education accesible to every one & made compulsory by rule. education can only can sustain our nation, mayawati was a primary school teacher now she herself declare that she owns 52 carors. our politicians are only concern to collect nations's wealth. they are not concern for our basic needs. we should pull the education rights for each & every one
Spat between delhi and chennai guys was interesting but not good. We are one nation and should not criticize each other.Delhi is national capital with some of the best educational institutions. Dont u think that students scoring such high marks in CBSE 12 standard would not get entry into medical or engineering institutions easily? But one must think beyond medical and engineering too, thats wat delhites are doing perhaps and its a good thing.Also there is a trend in south india to go out of country to work because employment opportunities are not as great. So they opt for technical education resulting in mushrooming of such institutions in every district, many of them of dubious standard. Talent is available everywhere in India. I heard most of civil services jobs and other government jobs all over India are grabbed by Biharis. Due to lack of opportunities in that state, students work hard. Also talent is 99 percent hard work rather than inborn. So cheer up, no fighting.
RE:hi friends
by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
dude its not about a spat..its about a feelin of xenophobia tht every person in our country suffers...the problem is we speak without knowin each other..or maybe we are just plain simple hippocrats who are so frustrated being a loser that we blame the other side fr being successful..we never accept the fact tht we are what we made ourselves but keep blamin the system and the "extra" priviledges others are getting..i m lived in 3 of the 4 metros with ppl from almost every part of india..and i thing tht i found out is tht nobody gets free lunch....bt some ppl just dont get it..
RE:hi friends
by on Jun 27, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
Mr.Insane, I am a perfect and a patriotic Indian I like my country east or west India is the best.But within the Indian context one has to be very clear and clarify all the doubts. You say about xenophobia - only in a hindi film is a south ridiculed, his accent is made fun of,his skin colour, his dress like lungi,how he eats etc etc and this is done in real life also and i myself gone thru this humiliation then north Indians say Hare yaar hum to mazaak kar rahe the.They do not understand their bad sense of humuor can insult someone.
Mr.Insane it is you who started about rajini dowry etc.I was talking about education.well i can understand you since there are no solid arguements with you hence blame and play the dirty game.
What a rubbish claim?- Is in north India, job opportunities are more? every one knows- Job opportunities in South/West India is much more than north India (i.e BIMARU stares & delhi). No. of educated/Intelligent/Sensible people are more in south/west india compared to North & east. Thats why many of them go abroad for higher studies & better living which in turn helps indian economy also. Please remove this myth that producing few IAS means state is intelligent. So much hype of Govt jobs in BIMARU states only explain how backward is the state. It is nothing to be proud off. So please remove your misconception & accept that in general south/west india is better in terms of education/Job opportunities/Civic sense when compared to north India. Mind u I am a north Indian.
RE:hi friends
by krishna gupta on Jun 28, 2007 07:51 AM Permalink
I do agree with u Ashish that in north India things may be more chaotic, because of more population too.But I always believe that intelligence is subjective and hard work is more important. I live in UK and come from north India. I have several excellent south Indian friends here in UK. Mention of BIMARU word everytime to denigrate some states does not sound good, even if they are really backward.Thru my south Indian friends, I have come to know about their problems too in south, including corruption, and lack of opportunities that forces them to go out of the country.Even people from Chennai claim that there is lots of corruption in their state, although they may not be aware of scale of problem in north.But there are good and bad things everywhere and I dont believe that ppl from south are more intelligent than ppl from north, their priorities may be different and they work hard for that. Similarly north ppl are also hard working but priorities may be different. And its official that Delhi generates more jobs in India than any other metro, even Mumbai.
no other revulutionary is so bright acemedician and bright as bhagat singh,he was the bright student in his day , when education was very luxuriious commidity,,he studied all books of that time working as book shop boy in lohore, he grasped the idea of liberation, cooperation,brotherhoodm cause of mental slavery ,capitalism and communism,, he wanted to bring socialism in india, roti to all , houseliving for all and work for all, what a wonderful idea,he died for the noble cuase of bravery which is unheard and unseen in the annal of history , such a brave man whose age was 20year11 month hanged ,, he didnot sige the mercy petition,, he volunteered to dy,, what great secrifice he did,, he knew whithout secrifice nothing is achieveable,,we should all read his history of great martyr of 1921 and why am i atheist is his best collection of book available in marxism library,, , i request all people of india read that book and do something for your neibhbourhood, society ,,long live the bhagat singh,, what is life for,,,,what bhagat did is very pround for all of us,,let at least study the purpose and aim of his life,
RE:long live the bhagat singh idea of sacrifice and love for country,,
by SATYAPAL on Jun 27, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
Dear, I share your sentiments attached to Bhagat Singh, his practical philosophy of his life, very live in his times and regard his unparalled juddement to illuminate the spirits and intents of all Indians to summon courage and rise for their cause collectively.
With the passage of time, capitalism is acting as driving force of life and taking into account the rationality of its existence, it shall exit and flourish because it is governed and rune by elite and rich people.
The survival of the fittest is to exist and that shall only be the driving attitude of an individual in the times to come.
In a nut-shell, globally individuals have to rationalise their conepts with the changing times and live. Individuals having allegiance to a certainn irrational / pre-determined & stubborn group/ body/ entity would lack in approach towards life and philosophy.
RE:RE:long live the bhagat singh idea of sacrifice and love for country,,
by Garry Sidhu on Jun 27, 2007 09:02 AM Permalink
Well written Bhupinder I share your thoughts Pl mail me at gkssidhu@rediffmail.com to share more gkssidhu
i request all acedemiian , help indian people those are living in urban and rural area and have not huge money to spend over fee accomodation ,, they should record all syllbus in c d , dvd and supply to our student so that they may get the besic idea of education sitting at their home and student of elite school should be allowed to interect with them like coucellour and should be start internet cources for the poor and ;needy and indian poor
Delhi is perhaps the only major city in our Great India where there is a lot of hype for joining ordinary colleges in arts and science,Unlike in chennai where it is for the professional colleges(B.E,B.Tech,MBBS etc).This either explains the lack of good professional colleges in Delhi where the competition is usually tough in cities like b'lore ,mumbai and Chennai ofcourse or in delhi doing B.Sc or B.A is considered prestigious( and/or the quality of education is not upto the mark in Delhi) whereelse in Chennai B.Sc or B.A do not carry much value since there are plenty of them.Infact the every other or the every second person. Also it is very strange when delhiwalahs say i have joined B.Sc Physics (honours). How can one say that? Honours is given after you have meritorious achievement throughout the course not just when you have just joined it.They confuse between what is the major subject and "Honours".Just note this from the author of this article "Here, the cut-off for B Sc (Honours) Physics was 91 per cent while for BA (Honours) it was 84 per cent". Very much like a delhiite(STUDDS). isn't it?. So in a nutshell although i like our capital city and delhiwalahs but they are a bit backward when one sees the all-India level.A glaring example is the number of IITians,IAS,IPS,IFS.IIMians delhiites stand nowhere they just pale,infact nowhere in the scene. comeon delhiwalshs catch us if you can. One question to the patriotic delhiwalahs. How many of delhiites have received No
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by on Jun 27, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
One question to the patriotic delhiwalahs. How many of delhiites have received No
i meant how many delhiwalahs(whose mother tongue is hindi,punjabi or Urdu) have received Nobel prizes.For eg.From the presidency college of Madras two Sir C.Venakataraman and S.Chandrasekhar.Please note the alphabet"A"after "T" in Venkataraman. It has to be pronounced not as "AA" in hindi it is a sandhi whereby it is half pronounced.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 03:58 AM Permalink
competition to get in professional colleges id tuff in Chennai, bangalore and mumbai...there is an engg college in bangalore in every nook and corner...set up 4 computers and u hv an engineering college in these places offering 2 courses IT and CS..such colleges just spoil the name of engineering..nd wt do kids graduatin frm these colleges do...queue up in front of infosys or join a BPO...thts yur idea of professionalism...yes delhi lacks engineering and medical institutions in quantity but it has far greater quality than in other cities..delhi university is one of the very few universities in india to grant honors degree with BSc, BComm and BA. It has produced top leaders, executives ever since its establishment...I don;t think any other university in India can match up with the number of courses tht DU offers and above all I think ppl (not just Delhites..bt from other parts frm the country) can think of a life beyond engineering and medicine...nd dude..with no hard feelings towards any part of the country..I have heard that an engineering degree and make yur dowry 3 times in some places down south...if that's true then thank god delhites havn't caught up....FYI..i am an engg frm bombay univ.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by on Jun 27, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
competition to get in professional colleges id tuff in Chennai, bangalore and mumbai...there is an engg college in bangalore in every nook and corner...set up 4 computers and u hv an engineering college in these places offering 2 courses IT and CS..such colleges just spoil the name of engineering That's your quote mr.Insane Who queues up infront of Gudgaon stephanainites or kmcs or from the J&M of delhi?( is the D in gudgaon a mixture of r&d please do not confuse with Research and Development)Where are u better?Do not just quote some bad examples and then generalize. Stop stereotypes. "yes delhi lacks engineering and medical institutions in quantity but it has far greater quality than in other cities.." It is the quality problem if not where are the stars i.e the execs etc etc.Where are the delhiites?I do not see them hardly any IAS,IPS IItians etc i.e the cream of India is non-delhi.
"delhi university is one of the very few universities in india to grant honors degree with BSc, BComm and BA." once more my dear any University in India provides Honours degree that is after the acheivement not by just joining the college.In Delhi people confuse major subject with honours that is a big confusion in delhi. well it is the case when an adjective becomes a noun. "I have heard that an engineering degree and make yur dowry 3 times in some places down south" Well i really envy a panchvi fail jat or a UPwalah for the amount of dowry they get.Dowry is an all-India phenomenon so
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 04:09 AM Permalink
"Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (October 19, 1910, Lahore, British India, now in Pakistan, %u2013 August 21, 1995, Chicago, Illinois, United States)[2] was an American astrophysicist born in British India of Tamil Indian heritage.[3] He was awarded the 1983 Nobel Prize in Physics (shared with William Alfred Fowler) for his theoretical work on the structure and evolution of stars."...source wikipedia....oops S Chandrashekhar was born in Lahore and was an American astrophysicist..but of Tamil origin..nice and he won a nobel in 1983...what happened to nobel producing tamils after that....I think Rajni started acting and they all became his fans with no quest for another nobel...nd yes..out of professionalism they joined engineering colleges too..'coz they felt its a "big" deal....
RE:RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by on Jun 27, 2007 05:21 AM Permalink
APJ Abdul Kalam Kidar ka Hain bhai sahab?.He is an Anna University(chennai) product Bhai sahab.We still churn out the best in India comeon catch us.It's a challenge.Dum hai to acheive kar ne ke baad bat karo. phele se nahin chalte hai Honours degree.One has to strive for that.got it mere dear. Big B ka ya bihari babu shotgun sinha ka fan banne se Nobel nahin miltha hain bhai sahab.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Amit Chaturvedi on Jun 27, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
Is it really necessary to make an issue between Delhi and Chennai? Do you still think People from one part of India is better then other? I had been in both part of India and worked with people from every part of India and my experience, We have both Dumb and Intelligent people in all part of India :) Yes the approach to a problem is different but still they both are best in this world.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 08:56 AM Permalink
RE:hi friends by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 08:35 AM dude its not about a spat..its about a feelin of xenophobia tht every person in our country suffers...the problem is we speak without knowin each other..or maybe we are just plain simple hippocrats who are so frustrated being a loser that we blame the other side fr being successful..we never accept the fact tht we are what we made ourselves but keep blamin the system and the "extra" priviledges others are getting..i m lived in 3 of the 4 metros with ppl from almost every part of india..and i thing tht i found out is tht nobody gets free lunch....bt some ppl just dont get it..
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by on Jun 27, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
our friend Mr.Ashok in his above message is saying that there was some ramaswamy who used to say that he is a south Indian.I always introduce myself to any foreigner as an Indian. But within India when i introduce myself if the person to whom i introduce is a North Indian he will certainly ask from which part of india when i used to say Madras(now i say chennai)he will ask from proper madras?I reply there is no improper madras.This is because people in the north those who even have a proper education but bad in history nd geography still live in the british India when whole of or say the major portion of peninsular India used to be madras presidency so anyone from south India is a madrasi be it a tamilian,malayalee,Telugu speaking or kannada speaking or konkoni,tulu etc.Many even now do not know that India has been divided into states on the basis of languages.Indians from the north hardly know any south Indian language.They think everyone should know hindi but he/she will not learn tamil or assamese or telugu etc.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Insane on Jun 27, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
i thot we r tokin about engineering and medicine..as far as my knowledge goes APJ Abdul Kalam ws neither...nd about "Big B and shotgun Sinha"...again nobody across the country pour gallons of milk on their cut-outs knowing a large population of india sleeps hungry...nobody pays 2000 bucks to buy ticket in black..nobody goes to delhi and bombay to catch frst day frst show...nd before the topic of education gets competely transformed in topic of non-sense..i rest my case stating the a smart kid will do well regardless of region..nd dumbass wud keep flying their (smart kids) flags high regardless of wt they are...
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by ASHOK on Jun 27, 2007 09:02 AM Permalink
What is all his non sense about Delhi vs Chennai. I still remeber a fool from Chennai, who would introduce himself as Ramaswamy from South India. He was aptly asked by a foreigner >> Which country is south India.
Remember not a single soul from India ( whether ANNA University or any IIT) has won IBM Software global competition ever. India was a poor show in most recent competition at Tokyo. ( It was not a tamil or Delhite) It was chinese / Russians / Japanese / Koreans ? americans , who were in the limelights.
Perhaps That is why the initiator of this is name less / spine less trouble creator.
RE:Delhi radhani is strange
by Manish Ghildiyal on Jun 27, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
I am not a Delhite but can say that you are utterly wrong in stating facts about IIT....as far as I know Delhi sends maximum number of students to IITs after Kota(take this from an ex-IIT student)...regarding IAS also Delhi is in top 5 along with UP,TN,Bihar and AP.So please get your facts right.
Most of the Christian schools & colleges are run by catholics, but St Stephens is one of the few colleges run by Missionaries. Only few colleges can match it like mumbai's St Xaviers or Rajasthan's Mayo collge. It is truly Delhi's pride.
RE:St Stephens - Pride of Delhi
by Manish Ghildiyal on Jun 27, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
St Xaviers of Mumbai is known for merry making, not for studies....
RE:RE:% ? Marks ?
by Prashant Kumbang on Jun 28, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
yeah there should be cut off marks for these ehorgcatrgory also. as india is not for general only. they also need planning to be done. but i don't think it will be below 30% (if you are from assam then minimun marks for all category to pass 12 std is 30% right?)
