i know it well calling monkey isnt racism, if Symonds feels his ancestors werent monkies ...piss him off. ICC cant do a damn thing against India for crowd behaviour. Controlling fans isnt the authority of BCCI. By chance if ICC does ban India....cricket will spilt into 2 am dead sure.
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
one of the eastern european player called Leander Paes a coolie. This happened 3 years ago herein toronto. And leander was smart and told him that herein North America he can sue him.
So what happened to Leander is fair according to you?
RE:RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by Dhosa on Oct 18, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
I mean I adi agree Paes a coolie incident is racism but Inzi ALU is not..:))
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by Dhosa on Oct 18, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
I am sorry but you are really mixing up the things for no reason. Earlier you were talking about Inzi-ALU calling incident a racist thing. I am sure you think Inzi and Paes incidents are both the example of racism.. i am sorry but LMAO!!!!!
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
I have to mix. becoz people think that there are two rules. 1) when we insult others that is allright 2) but when we receive it is bad.
Yes calling someone a coolie is ra*ist. And calling Inzi is not ra*ist but insulting.
If you want to know what coolie means go to wikipedia.org.
I am sure you know who a coolie was and what it means.
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by Dhosa on Oct 18, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
I know what Coolie means ver well. Speaking of that the racial abuse our team and all the Indians received during the past series in Austalia, Compare to that what Symond is getting is nothing. What symond is getting is more like a teaser compare to what Aussie has thrown at us and the entire worls.
The Point is you're being offely critical to Indians for no sound reason.
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 08:21 PM Permalink
Two wrongs dont mean it is correct.
How do you know that i am only critical of indians. Just becos i dont write otherwise or applaud what the crowd have been doing.
I know very well from where it comes from. In the society there is a problem and the issue is no one wants to talk about it - rather sweep it under the rug.
RE:calling monkey isnt racism......
by Dhosa on Oct 18, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
I thing there only One Wrong that I see here..:) Anyway, I am sorry I didn't mean waste my time here
Even Dinesh Kartik last 10 ODI record worst then Dravid. Can anybody from selection bord explain this? Why not Rohit sharma (Home Ground)/Sbhadrinath (All Rounder) are considerd. Is Dinesh Kartik really fit into oneday side? Wich he has scored (alltogather LAST 10 ODI)not even 50 runs.
RE:Why Dinesh Kartik Considerd Before Rohit/Bhadrinath
by Paul on Oct 18, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Bhadarinath & Ishant Sharma ( young seam bowler should have been in the team) & Aussie knew well to play aganist Harbhajan, Rohit Sharma was direct choise. I think Dhoni and Harbhjan is best friend, that explain
RE:Why Dinesh Kartik Considerd Before Rohit/Bhadrinath
by HARD HITTER on Oct 18, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Yeah in first place looking at karthik's record, he was not fit to be in the playing 11. his last 5 inning scores are: 1, 0, 4, 2 and 0. He has played 26 ODI's and has scored a mere 330 runs with an average of 22. If he plays at any position , he cannot play well. what had he done at 5/6? He cannot play strokes at his will, he has to wait for the bowler to bowl a lose ball and which aussies seldomly bowl. what did team mgmt gain after replacing dravid with karthik, nothing karthik scored a big ZERO
I still can't understand one thing, how did Symonds know that the monkey like sounds were made for him. If you realize that India was loosing that match and we know how unpardoning our fans are. They could well have been mocking the Indian players. Also they could be mocking other players.
Even if they were mocking Symonds, in India making monkey gestures is not considered to be racially abusive. The problem is that what action or words are racially abusive depends on the perception of the community. It is possible that the people might have taunted him, but did not want to racially abuse him.
RE:Monkey gestures
by Cool Customer on Oct 18, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
I think bottom line is making that face is meant to demean and degarde. Whether it was for Symonds or anybody else- that is personal and not a defendable viewer behaviour. Next thing we end up defending is abuses in Hindi or other regional language.
If weant to encourage and bring in more competitve cricket in the country, fans have to be responsible too and not be hostile.
Finally it is a game and friendly competition and teasing is fine. But making monkey faces is personal and degrading.
RE:Monkey gestures
by satya s on Oct 18, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
why were they making monkey gestures? ISN'T IT TO imply that his face looks like a monkey? how come this escapes you?
Even as the racism debate continues, former Australian greats like Mark Waugh and Allan Border have said that Symonds was being "precious" about the entire issue and that it has been blown out of proportion.
Mark Waugh said, "What is Andrew Symonds complaining about monkey noises? Does that come down to racism, without actually saying any words? I don%u2019t know. It didn't worry me. I don't know if we are getting a bit precious here, really."
RE:RE:Mark Waugh and Allan Border surprised so hear Monkey Chanting been termed as racisim!!
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
1) certain people are very sensitive 2) lets see if someone like Vivian Richards or Clive Lloyd or someone like that comment on it and not these blokes.
India should came out of ICC and should form new cricketing Board.Because cricket money is the property of India.95% money for cricket cames from India then also ICC takes strong actions against India, Pakistan ,Bangladesh,and sri lanka,s player only why? Australian English players are most of time not following rules why BCCI supports to that? I think asian nations should came out of ICC and form new body.Bcause Without Asia Icc could not get money.
RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by juan on Oct 18, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
idiot it happens in every corner of world not only in india and the population is high over and management people is less so at time it gets difficult to tap over plus India is very complex country n people to deal it is not some Aussie looters country so stop preaching u ugly blog over here . there are abuse in every part n worse than India and WHITE race birth is itself a abuse to world harmony , if u r educated read the past history of human race across the world .
RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Yes allude to the past, except all the examples are current, happening now under a free Indian government.
Now please show me how this is happening in every part of the world. I've seen much of the world, you are simply wrong.
RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by Sandeep Patnaik on Oct 18, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
@ Chris
Biggest example of all is George W Bush. He is killing people in Iraq, Afagnisthan just in the name of WMD. he is the president of USA and he is getting away with all this...whats your take on that Mr Chris. Go and watch ENROn and Farenhit 9/11 and then speak.
RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Yes American foreign policy is somehow relevant to the Indian social and political landscape.
RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by Sandeep Patnaik on Oct 18, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
so now you agree...USA is just one example out of many. You said you have around the world and haven't seen the kindof things that happens in India..so my friend your ignorance doesn't mean that you are right. there may be several other countries where this kind of things happen all the time..i am not saying whatever is happening in India is right but don't point your fingers at India for everything. Look around the world and then comment on something. where do u live by the way?
RE:RE:What exactly is abusive about this?
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
American occupation of Iraq is in no comparable to the domestic situation created in India by the own free will of Indians is my point, it's quite clear and obvious, now what exactly is your point?
Even in local matches between two villages the opponent team is taunted because of the feeling of "WE" and "OUR" and "our team should win" feelings. Will you all call it Racism? It's overenthusiasm. Casteism is there in India but not in Sports. But regionalism is there. If the Australians had taken it sportively no problem. They are under compulsion to prove that not only Australians do racist abuses and even others do, so that they can escape accusations. That is why they make a lot of hue and cry. They are instigating the australian cricket viewers in advance that Indians should be troubled when they go to Australia, that's it.
RE:RE:What Racism!
by siva kumar on Oct 18, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
Who told you symonds was taunted on the basis of religion caste etc? He was the member of opposite team and home team was in loosing condition and fans were in frustrated mood, thar's all
RE:RE:RE:What Racism!
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
so that is allright to do a monkey like posture. What is wrong with you and the so called hardcore fans? you can't differentiate between a game played by pros and other things....So what if the home team loses. The sun will shine from the east the next day.
RE:What Racism!
by siva kumar on Oct 18, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
There again! Is there any fixed rule how taunting should be done? It is not even sure that crowds did so. Even then in which rule book it is written that doing monkey like posture is racism ? What is the trouble with you, the way you get angry shows you may also be a member of Australian entourage 1
RE:What Racism!
by Sachin R.Tendulkar on Oct 18, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
they knows that if they caught then also bcci would support to them and not to Indian.
RE:ban on India
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
LOL yeah... I can see them all taking a pay cut because of the revenue they'd lose from Indian cricket to take a stand on racism....
RE:ban on India
by Santosh Raghavan on Oct 18, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
Its a mighty Joke, if ICCI ever mentioned it. Dunken Donuts runs a campaign "AMERICA RUNS on DUNKEN DONUTS" and I "INTERNATIONAL CRICKET RUNS on INDIAN CRICKET"
RE:ban on India
by siva kumar on Oct 18, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
ICC can take no action against BCCI.Because BCCI is the richest sports body in the world.
RE:ban on India
by MYSTERIOUS on Oct 18, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
thatt dosent mean it has bought icc it is the head of cricket icc can take strict action against bcci
Symonds has shown the world that he doesn't understand what racism really is. Taunts and monkey chants from a crowd are racist? No, declaring dark-skinned Aboriginals to be a sub-human species -- THAT is racist. Allowing white hunting parties to go and kill Aboriginals -- THAT is racist. Taking Aboriginal kids away from their parents to try to "civilize" them -- THAT is racist. Just go and see the deplorable conditions in which the Aboriginal communities still live in Australia -- low life expectancy, low-paying jobs, high incidence of alcholism and depression. No, before any Aussie can lecture ANYONE about racism, they have to wait another 100 years to make up for what the Aboriginial population has been through. Don't get me wrong -- it would be nice if spectators all around the world treated visiting teams with more respect. But, this is the nature of competitive sport. And, frankly, I am much less worried about the Indian fans than about the soccer hooligans in Europe who get into violent riots after a soccer game.
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
No matter what tit for tat is not good. And that does not condone what happened in India.
And for that matter lot of things in india are ra*ist too. People with prejudicial opinion based on state, region, language, caste, religion, creed etc.,
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by philadelphia fan on Oct 18, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
Yes, I completely agree with you, aaaaa -- my point is simply that THESE are the serious problems of racism that we need to be addressing, not silly taunts from fans at a competitive sporting event. (I am speaking as someone who has been physically assaulted by racist skinheads. So, you can see why I don't have much patience for Symond's whining about fan behavior).
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by True Indian on Oct 18, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Yes tit fot tat is not good. But do u think that the spectators who were chanting monkey names had the slightest of thoughts about Racism..I dont thnk so.. Calling someone names here is not racism even when it is based on religion, caste..creed..so on.. Do u mean to say calling a punjabi a sardar is racism...then calling someone madrasi, ghulti, bhaiya would all go in that direction... It is how u percieve racism that matters...
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
Name calling is rac?st for sure. Until this indians were not able to know what constitutes Rac&sm.
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by True Indian on Oct 18, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
Name calling is not rac1sm them howcum monkey chant be one..?? This is not close to the real rac1sm that happens in here in football matches in europe.. When u see this u will come not no what real rac1sm is all about... What I cam saying is name calling is not rac1sm.
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by aaaa on Oct 18, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
May be you should live in the US for a bit. Remember rest of the world laws follow what happens in the US.
Name calling leads to believe that i am better than you all. There is no other purpose to it.
RE:Aboriginals in Australia!
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
There's no-one forcing Aboriginals to abuse their children, live in squalor or resort to alcoholism. Aboriginals have the same rights as any other Australian, and greater social resources.
Yes aboriginal communities in Australia as a whole are far and away belong the living standards of the National average.
Australians voted in a referendum int the 1960's to allow aboriginals to vote. The result was 90% in the positive.
