There is a difference in football and cricket game plan altogether. Do we need to coach Sachin, Sourav, Dravid, Kumble etc. We have already seen what kind of problems we face with Chappell. Dhoni has shown remarkeble resilience, Zaheer Khan matured.R P improving. We have loose ends too, no doubt, Sreesanth, Munaf Patel etc.Dinesh Kartik ahs done fairly well in England though not doing well during current Indo-Pak series.
Get Yuvi, Sehwag, Rohit Sharma, probably Badrinath and a good pacerand allrounder(Pravin Kr ?) in.
Lalchand Rajput is doing fairly well, so is Venky and others. We may make Sachin the Chief mentor and Kumble/Sourav/Dhoni the Stategist panel and that's it.
Kirstein may be good. But, is he required ?
Putting one from outside will definitely spell a doom for India in australia. Why BCCI is putting kulahri in it's own feet. It is already mismanaged, see Vengsarkar's current controversies. It is not that Indian or Foreighner coach, the team as a whole is doing well, why to prick the baloon. Retain Kumble as Captain for Australia well.
The BCCI should fallback on Indian coach. We have a good number of experienced coach around and they should be given the responsibility to coach and develope the team of their country.After all "Mera Bharat ak Mahan Desh hai" and should respect it with a Indian Coach.Who would better understand a Indian than a Indian himself?
Ajit Wadekar is clearly biased and most of what he says from time to time tends to reflect this bias.
Teams of the 70's may not have needed a coach but cricket is a much more competitive sport than it was then and is played all the year round. You simply have to have a coach. Wadekar as does any former cricketer knows this and it is sheer hypocracy to make such a statement.
As for foreign v Indian, obviously, a foreigner will need to adjust but if he was willing to than why not. We dont have many former cricketers who have played cricket recently - Srinath is the only one. Other former cricketers are not in touch with the game enough to be really useful and aware of all that is happening. Perhaps once Dravid, Ganguly, Kumble, Tendulkar retire, they might be valuable coaches.
Kirsten is a great choice - he is known for strong determination and an ability to play well against both fast and spin bowling. He has given good articles previously on what the Indians were doing wrong when batting in places like australia and south africa.
And that is where we need to coaches - in SA and Australia. We can always be happy to beat Pakistan and England and mostly at home, but the true aim is to beat Australia in Australia.
Kirsten has played international cricket recently, he is known as a strong person, is familiar with the latest cricketing tactics and has seen the influence of a good coach on a team. He is the perfect person.
RE:Biased, stupid Wadekar, shut up!
by rahul on Dec 03, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
You say Kirsten is a "strong person" and then go on to say that he is a "perfect person". - Don't simply repeat some comment which someone else has made. I see no way you can make an independent assessment of whether Kirsten is a strong or a weak person. This is hear-say.
Could you enlighten the leaders on what basis have you assessed Kirsten to be a "perfect person"?
RE:Biased, stupid Wadekar, shut up!
by Kumarendra Mallick on Dec 03, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
I don't know who you are in the disguise of Stew India. But be assured that India will win nothing under a foreign coach. What way a foreigner is attached to your country or your players. A coach is a father-figure. Imagine, Greg Chappel, who is a batting wizard, couldn't find the reason in Sehawag's sudden decline and couldn't rectify his errors, if any. Then what did India gain from him? Coaching is a different ball game. One need to be psychologist and KIsten is just another player. Perhaps Sandeep Patil or Kapil will o a better job for India.
RE:Biased, stupid Wadekar, shut up!
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Kapil dev? The same guy who was coach when India lost to the aussies 3-0 in 1999, in the test series and then lost all the ODI matches to boot? Are u sure you know what you are talking about?
The reason I agree with this is because with a unexperianced coach new ideas will come in. A experiance coach will not have any new ideas and will try to work on the same ideas he applied before.
This Coach Hunt is just a way for some Board officials to make more money.I am sure there are a lot of kick backs involved. When we won a T20 World Cup, lost honourably in ODIs to Australia and have already beaten Pak in a test Match, what need is there for a Coach? Lalchand Rajput is doing a good job as a Manager and so are Prasad / Robin as specialist Coaches. Gary Kirsten has no prior experience and has spoken badly about our country in his previous tours. His story will be similar to Chappel's because he will not be able to handle our Tendulkars and Gangulys (both being egoistic and selfish cricketers) and there will be a divide in the Team and finally we will start losing matches which we are winning now. Also, very cleverly Kirsten and our corrupt BCCI have chosen to employ Kirsten AFTER the tough Aussie tour which we will struggle to win / draw. DAAL MEIN BAHUT KUCH KAALA HAI!!!
RE:Waste of Money for us and good money for others
by Kumarendra Mallick on Dec 03, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Under John Wright nothing was right, and Greg couldn't inspire Sehawag, Irfan, Md Kaif and some of our gems to perform well. Coach need to bring out the inner spirit, and no foeigner can do it on a commercial or professional basis. The BCCI officials, no body can prove though, may be getting some benefit. Well, all feel bad that so many good players are getting raw deal with BCCI and by its selectors.
RE:Waste of Money for us and good money for others
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Under wright nothing was right? Explain how we won more tests overseas during his tenure than we ever had for decades? Under Wright and then chappell, we have won away tests in England, SA, Aus, Pak, WI and of course SL,Zim,Bang. We won the series in Pak and WI, and tied the series in Aus and SA. We reached WC 03 finals and lost to an infinitely better side. Even under chappell, we started off well, winning a huge number of games in quick succession. Only after the loss of form of multiple players (Pathan, ganguly, sehwag) did things start falling apart. Aren't u being harsh?
RE:Waste of Money for us and good money for others
by natraj tanjore on Dec 03, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
I never got the full meaning of PATTING ONES BACK, till i saw the post of Mr. Sikander. 11.33 am he posts his views, 11.34 am he writes himself well said sikander! Great, what a narcissist!
RE:Waste of Money for us and good money for others
by Sai Prakash on Dec 03, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Good point Mr.Tanjore! Its a common name.Could be two with the same name. Lets not be suspicious. Anyway, I feel bad for the Indian aspirants who could have done a better job.
BCCI should not appoint Gary Kirsten as India coach as he just does not deserve that role. I don't know how a coaches selection panel featuring Sunil Gavaskar and Ravi Shastri picked Kirsten for the job.THE RACIST KIRSTEN SHOULD BE KEPT OUT. Gavaskar after his fine exploits with the willow is now a well-rounded POLITICIAN aiming to achieve only his selfish ends and to destroy Indian cricket. LALCHAND RAJPUT, VENKATESH PRASAD AND ROBIN SINGH SHOULD CONTINUE IN THEIR ROLES. DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN DOWN PAWAR.
RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
RACIST? On what grounds are you making that statement? Just because he is a south african? A statement like taht makes you sound racist, dude!
RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by natraj tanjore on Dec 03, 2007 12:00 PM Permalink
By having fancy names like maximus Decimus one does not become very erudite and omniscient my dear friend! Please read the cringing reports of Gary Kirsten during his last tour of India! He had problem with food, with hotel rooms, with indian people and the stadium. Please do read a subject well enough before jumping into the fray! These days DNA is distributing their paper free of cost, may be you would do well to ask for a sample copy and read it through the cuppa in the morning and enrich the grey matter in the cranium! O tempora o Moraes!
RE:RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Ah, ad hominem rant, eh? No matter, I'll stay clear of that. I read what he said, as a matter of fact, that you very much. How does that make it *racist*? He mentioned about cars being dilapidated (wasn't it true?). He had problems with hotel rooms, food, no red meat, lack of socialization (I guess he means pubs), and things of that nature. Point of view. So? How is taht RACIST? I dont recall him saying Indians are so and so... he said he didnt like the conditions in India in 1996. Sure, you could call him the typical firang tourist spoilt by the luxuries that life in the first world affords him, but that's hardly racist. So many desis go abroad and say that they dont like this and that there. Are you trying to say they are racist? Not liking India is not equal to not liking Indians. I dont like Delhi, but I have nothing against people from there. Comprendi? Kirsten didnt like India in 1996, but it's a leap in reasoning to infer that he doesn't like the inhabitants of that land.
RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Oh, and PS: Since then, conditions in SA have deteriorated. SA has a huge law and order problem and what once was the bread basket of africa (also Zim) is now no longer the same. Perhaps Kirsten may feel more at home in India in 2007 :) Probably why he's now interested...
RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by natraj tanjore on Dec 03, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Precisely that was the point that was being driven , my dear friend! The man who is a poor traveller, how is he going to cope up with the rigours of a mini euro, in the form of indian team! The issue i had tried to push forward was why get a guy who isnt happy with the conditions out here! What sense would it make to have a reluctant bride, who wouldnt consummate?
Any way still a lot of twists and turns could happen, like it was with the earlier candidate, Mr. graham ford / mr. john emburey!
RE:DOWN WITH BCCI, DOWN WITH KIRSTEN
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 04, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
Natraj: No, that was not the point, was it? The point being made was Kirsten was racist - my argument was that the statements that were made suggest he is a bad traveller, but not necessarily a racist. That said, India in 2007 is different from what it was in 1996 - also peoples perspectives change (money may play a significant role in that too). BCCI just needs to make him an offer he can't refuse.
Maximus Decimus Meridius comes from the movie gladiator... but i am an asterix fan too
BCCI would have done well to try and persuade Ravi Shstri to take up the job. The job of coach nowadays is not to actuially ensure that the boys have coaching practice etc. His job is to draw up tactics, iron out etc. There cannot be a more smaryter tactician in the country than Shastri. I think Kirsten is a bad choice.
Two years of Chappel enured that the Captain (Ganguly) was thrown out of the team while a year of Vengsarkar has seen Dravid out of the ODI and resigning his captaincy.
Indian cricket is going through a transistion period and Shstri is the best man for the job. Not some bloody foreigner.
RE:cricket coach
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Dec 03, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
Exactly. We all know what happened when Kapil dev was the coach. We lost 3-0 to the aussies, just as Jaywant Lele had predicted. 3 yrs down the line, we square a series 1-1, with the aussies managing to save the sydney test only through Waugh's brilliance, under a gora coach (Wright), a new captain (Ganguly), a batsman in the form of his life (RS Dravid) and other players doing well (VVS, ganguly in brisbane, discovery of Irfan Pathan and so on...). Well?
The coach has the least role to play in a team's success or failure, IMHO. But if you must, please note that almost ALL of India's recent success overseas has been under a foreign coach (Aus, SA, WI, Pak). Hard to argue with the data, right?
RE:cricket coach
by Dibs on Dec 03, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
Ajit Wadekar was the manager of indian team for two years before taking up coaching responsibilities, prior to that he was coaching Mumbai to 3 consecutive Ranji Championships
BCCI has to find some way to spend its money.So a foreign coach.I agree there are many Indian cricketers who will do the Job better.Mohinder Amarnath For example.
