RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Netflix on May 16, 2008 02:13 PM Permalink
If I wish to worship the creation, what is your problem? According to you: "He is the same God of Arab Christians and Arab Jews." What about all religions starting in India? Do they have different god? Why do you believe in foolness that god somehow choose to appear only in middle east and also he decided that after Md. he will never send any messanger? what was so special about that era? If all what you are saying is god's message why is he not braodcasting it directly to us? Why do one need Koran or for that matter any text as final word?
RE:RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Srini on May 16, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
If god is the creator, he would have stopped the creation of non-muslims who don't beleive in him at his end itself. But if he requires the help of mortals to implement his agenda of preaching and converting, such a helpless person is not a god. This is no rocket science, it doesn't require a quest for thruth or big revelations to answer, its simple logic for everyone to understand.
RE:RE:RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink
God has given free will to humans and also has given them a limited time. They have the choice of accepting God or rejecting Him. Once the limited period is over (from birth to death) only then will God take you to task. think about it you get your exam results only after the exam finishes, not during your study operiod or in between your exam. The existence of humans on this world is like an exam, the result of whcih comes only after death.
God does not need anyones help. He says 'Be' and it is. If he can create Jesus without a father and Adam and Eve without mother that should very clearly explain His powers. Quran mentions that God explains that even if the whole human race was to reject him there wod not be the slightest reduction in His honour and credit.
Well lets not get into talking logic with God. We dont know whats happening in 5 mins from now. He knows whats gonna happen in infinite time in past and present. So logic shod be kept aside when dealign with god. If you breathe the oxygen provided by him, drink the water provided by him, eat the food provided by Him, then make sure you acknowledge that fact and obey him. If you think you can get your own food and water and oxygen, then get it and be free from God. Dont eat anything that is from the soil of God, dont drink anything that is from the rivers of God, dont breathe the oxygen from the air of God. Produce your own.
And there is no rocket science i knownign that you cant do that :-)
RE:RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
If I wish to worship the creation, what is your problem? Absolutely no problem as long as someone has made you aware that you should not.
I am most welcome to criticism :-) According to you: "He is the same God of Arab Christians and Arab Jews." What about all religions starting in India? Do they have different god? Yes they have taken Gods who either do not exist or who were in Gods creation form. e.g river god
Why do you believe in foolness that god somehow choose to appear only in middle east and also he decided that after Md. he will never send any messanger? I dont believe in foolness ad niether in that God appears. But to answer the question, prophets came to all parts of world at different points in time. So even india is not an exception. Its just that those prophets do not have a mention in Quran. But the Hadees mentiones a total of 1,24,000 prophets in all. The Designer of the world knows what He designed and what He wants from the world, so you and me , if we want to live in that Designer's world then we have to follow His commands. If God says the message is complete then he decides that there is no need for any Messenger. Thats His choice.
what was so special about that era? The only special about the Era was it had the human who was the best practiser of what God ever wanted from humans.
If all what you are saying is god's message why is he not braodcasting it directly to us? God didnt do it then and he wont do it now. Only prophets go
RE:RE:RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
contd... Only prohets got the message, neither ther uncles or parents or wives or friends. Thats His decision. He can dictate to you , you cant dictate to Him.
Why do one need Koran or for that matter any text as final word? As far as any text is concerned, I cant answer for that, but as for Quran, Its the word of God. He has told us what He wants from humans. He told us the consequences of what happens if we follow his commands and what id we dont. He tells us about what happened to people from past who followed the commands and those who didnt. They are clear guidelines. tomorrow no one can say that we didnt have any guidelines from God bcoz u did. whether u bothered or nto to read the guidelines if your individual problem.
RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Benz on May 16, 2008 12:40 PM Permalink
Followers are like their leader. Its a common fact. What more to expect from the followers, whose leader had fought many wars and married as many wives during his life time?
RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by C.V.RAMAN IYER on May 16, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
whether Quran preaches violence or not, its followers (many with visible impact) practice violence in the name of religion. something somewhere has gone awry. who is responsible ? Of course, Religious Heads. They ought to have preached and practised non-violence to its followers, which is not the case here. You may write - with equal passion - about the need to mobilise true followers of Muslims all over India - with high visibility - obilizing people in millions and issue FATWA against those miniscule population of people participating / aiding and abetting terrorism, then a big difference will occur. When the terrorist reaises that they have no support among their breathern, violence will stop automatically.
do u envsage this happening in India & other terrorist affected countries ? I doubt so - very much.
RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Netflix on May 16, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
Oh if was messanger of god why he needed war, marry a child, ask to impose Jajiya on non-beliver, impose restrictions on dressing of women. Why can't you just admit that this is all fantacy of a spritiual leader of a middle age warrier tribe. By the way, no one here is creation of Adam. Everyone is evolved from Monkey. do you mean adam was first monkey?
RE:RE:Islam Means peace not Violence
by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 04:38 PM Permalink
So why do today's monkey not evlove but still remain monkeys ?
