RE:Humans generally don't think
by musheeruddin mohd on Jul 30, 2008 03:10 AM Permalink
"Islam has heavily borrowed from Judaism and Christianity" - It is the islamic belief that the first man on this planet ADAM(pbuh) was a muslim and all the prophets who came after Adam were also muslims and folowed the same religion as Islam(i,e., belief in One GOD), the prophets Musa(phuh-from where Judaism) and Jesus(pbuh) are also taught the taechings of islam, please refer to the BIBLE, Jesus never said iam GOD and worship me, it was after Paul people made up the GOD and Father, Gabriel as Spirit and Jesus as Son and they came up with all this Trinity Idea. similarly with the followers of MUSA(pbuh) they made the religion specific to the sons of Judah.
"If he was telling a lie, the prophet Mohammed can be a liar too"- relpy: Muslims never said that Jesus(pbuh) lied, they said that the present day bible is the word of Paul not the complete word of Jesus(pbuh).
"Now internal flaws of the Quran include referring to Jesus as a prophet and not a Son of God"- reply: Quran is very clear in saying that God is ONE and only, he neither Beget(giving birth) not begotten. These giving birth is of human and animal nature, it's not GOD's Nature, by saying beget and Begotten christains bought the GOD to human nature.
"It must be understood that Mohammed was involved in warfare and that's how he captured Mecca - and not at the first attempt. So imagine, if the leader was violent, what else would its followers be?" -reply: The most peaceful conquer ever in the history of mankind i
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Mind Clear on Jul 30, 2008 03:19 AM Permalink
Confused guy, writings tonnes of hot air and lots of gas. Does it matter if God is 0, 1, -1, or 1000. Does it change your life in anyway?
RE:RE:Humans generally don\'t think
by musheeruddin mohd on Jul 30, 2008 03:12 AM Permalink
"It must be understood that Mohammed was involved in warfare and that's how he captured Mecca - and not at the first attempt. So imagine, if the leader was violent, what else would its followers be?" -reply: The most peaceful conquer ever in the history of mankind is Mecca's conquer, please study the history, when prophet mohammad(phuh) came back victoriously to the Mecca he never took revenge he forgave every one of the meccans even though meccans plotted to kill prophet mohammad(pbuh). Prophet mohammad(pbuh) strictly given the instructions during the warfare: 1. Do not kill the women 2. Do not kill the children 3. Do not kill the elderly 4. do not kill the animals 5. do not put any thing on fire.
Please look at the history and study with and independent unbiased mind, everything will be cleared. If Allah wants to Guide no body can stop him from getting guidance, if Allah does not want to guide no body can get him to the point seeking guidance.
RE:RE:RE:Humans generally don\'t think
by Carl Sagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
The key point, for everyone's observation is, when during WARFARE. God is the judge, and when we take arms to kill, we have diminshed God and taken his sovereignity to judge - be it muslims or christians, or even hindus.
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Azeem on Jul 30, 2008 04:32 AM Permalink
Friend, Islam is not borrowed from Christianity and Judaism but rather, we accept all the three as divinely inspired Abrahamic faiths, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed all being direct descendants of the Prophet Abraham. We do not distinguish between the Prophets of God and respect Moses and Jesus and Mohammed. We only do not ascribe divinity to anyone but God. Neither do we believe that Gabriel appeared only to Mohammed. Gabriel appeared to every Prophet. As regards Jesus, the Qur'an states that he is the only child of a virgin mother. Mohammed is not attributed with this miracle. We never say Jesus lied. Jesus like every other Prophet always spoke the truth - he is an honored Prophet of God. We believe that people after Jesus ascribed the 'son of God' bit to him. During the lifetime of the Prophet, there were just two wars and both were defensive. They occurred when vested interests who wanted to perpetrate class distinctions attacked the early Muslims and ended when the muslims successfully defended themselves from being overrun. Of course, post founders, probably every religion has been altered and I am in no way taking up cudgels for Islamic fundamentalism which is certainly sinful. I hope I have addresed all the points raised by you with the Muslim viewpoint. In summation, we respect every faith and every man of God. We refer to Jesus as an honored Prophet of God while you think of him as the 'Son Of God.' While we diasgree on this, we love and respect Jesus as much as
RE:Humans generally don't think
by musheeruddin mohd on Jul 30, 2008 03:13 AM Permalink
"It must be understood that Mohammed was involved in warfare and that's how he captured Mecca - and not at the first attempt. So imagine, if the leader was violent, what else would its followers be?" -reply: The most peaceful conquer ever in the history of mankind is Mecca's conquer, please study the history, when prophet mohammad(phuh) came back victoriously to the Mecca he never took revenge he forgave every one of the meccans even though meccans plotted to kill prophet mohammad(pbuh). Prophet mohammad(pbuh) strictly given the instructions during the warfare: 1. Do not kill the women 2. Do not kill the children 3. Do not kill the elderly 4. do not kill the animals 5. do not put any thing on fire.
Please look at the history and study with and independent unbiased mind, everything will be cleared. If Allah wants to Guide no body can stop him from getting guidance, if Allah does not want to guide no body can get him to the point seeking guidance.
RE:RE:Humans generally don't think
by musheeruddin mohd on Jul 30, 2008 03:39 AM Permalink
Dear Rajendra, It's not all about XX & YY. It's good that you are a Biologist, if i were you i would look into the nature more intuitively
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Mind Clear on Jul 30, 2008 03:21 AM Permalink
Probably he forgot to mention, wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to shit, have a shower, eat your food, excel in your work, and go to sleep and do some exercise. Another idiot.
RE:Humans generally don't think
by musheeruddin mohd on Jul 30, 2008 03:33 AM Permalink
You might have a preconceived notion, please first clear your mind and fill some good stuff into it.
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Mind Clear on Jul 30, 2008 02:54 AM Permalink
It is a fraud. Mentally corrupts weak minded people who are looking for a quick solution to escape from life. It is ethically bankrupt and a clever ploy to subjugate women, and basically destroys the natural intelligence of a human being; hidden under a sophisticated garb of organized religion. That is why you see mass mediocrity and lack of intellectual pursuits in Islamic countries. It is only free oil money that is putting a show of opulence for some them; otherwise it is totally hollow philosophically. What you see periodically is bouts of violence by mentally depressed people who are angry at other people who are happy and progressing in life like it happens in mall and college shootings in the US - like Virginia Tech's Cho and many others. They have this hallucinatory self-righteous anger because of overdoes of inaction and lack of clariy, purpose and passion to keep pushing in life.
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Azeem on Jul 30, 2008 04:35 AM Permalink
To, Carl Sagan. Friend, Islam is not borrowed from Christianity and Judaism but rather, we accept all the three as divinely inspired Abrahamic faiths, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed all being direct descendants of the Prophet Abraham. We do not distinguish between the Prophets of God and respect Moses and Jesus and Mohammed. We only do not ascribe divinity to anyone but God. Neither do we believe that Gabriel appeared only to Mohammed. Gabriel appeared to every Prophet. As regards Jesus, the Qur'an states that he is the only child of a virgin mother. Mohammed is not attributed with this miracle. We never say Jesus lied. Jesus like every other Prophet always spoke the truth - he is an honored Prophet of God. We believe that people after Jesus ascribed the 'son of God' bit to him. During the lifetime of the Prophet, there were just two wars and both were defensive. They occurred when vested interests who wanted to perpetrate class distinctions attacked the early Muslims and ended when the muslims successfully defended themselves from being overrun. Of course, post founders, probably every religion has been altered and I am in no way taking up cudgels for Islamic fundamentalism which is certainly sinful. I hope I have addresed all the points raised by you with the Muslim viewpoint. In summation, we respect every faith and every man of God. We refer to Jesus as an honored Prophet of God while you think of him as the 'Son Of God.' While we diasgree on this, we love and
RE:Humans generally don't think
by Azeem on Jul 30, 2008 04:38 AM Permalink
To, Carl Sagan Friend, Islam is not borrowed from Christianity and Judaism but rather, we accept all the three as divinely inspired faiths, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed all being descendants of the Prophet Abraham. We do not distinguish between the Prophets of God and respect every Prophet.. We only do not ascribe divinity to anyone but God. Neither do we believe that Gabriel appeared only to Mohammed. Gabriel appeared to every Prophet. As regards Jesus, the Qur'an states that he is the only child of a virgin mother. Mohammed is not attributed with this miracle. We never say Jesus lied. Jesus like every other Prophet always spoke the truth - he is an honored Prophet of God. We believe that people after Jesus ascribed the 'son of God' bit to him. During the lifetime of the Prophet, there were just two wars and both were defensive. They occurred when vested interests who wanted to perpetrate class distinctions attacked the early Muslims and ended when the muslims successfully defended themselves from being overrun. Of course, post founders, probably every religion has been altered and I am in no way taking up cudgels for Islamic fundamentalism which is certainly sinful. I hope I have addresed all the points raised by you with the Muslim viewpoint. In summation, we respect every faith and every man of God. We refer to Jesus as an honored Prophet of God while you think of him as the 'Son Of God.' While we diasgree on this, we love and
RE:RE:Humans generally don't think
by Ajay on Jul 31, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
Are u taking the tutorials of BIBLE AND QUARAN. What the topic is going on What r u speaking.
