Islam like every other religion has to evolve.. Main problems are: 1. Total absence of enquiry and rational enquiry of what Quran says. Its like IF you think anything against what i said, you are a kafir...here take a fatwa.. "O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran. 5:101-102)
2. Institutionalized hate in the name of Jihad. Might have been relevant in 9th century can't rationalise how but..!!! "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Qur'an 9:29
3. Instituionalized victimization of women: Qur'an 4:11 and 2:282 declare that a woman is only half the worth of a man in terms of witness and inheritance
Muslim borthers please think rationaly...the whole world once thought world was flat and we all called the guy who said differently was wrong..!! but now we know better...
don't accept any doctrine from any religion or leader without thouroughly analyzing it. It applies to what i have written here as well.
let's all evolve as humans that's what we are..!! nothing more nothing less..!!
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Quoting out of context is not going to help anybody Quran says its an obligation upon all muslims to gain knowledge ,study the universe and take lessons from it ,for its a proof of gods greatness verse no 1 which you are talking abt was sent people 1400 yrs ago asked abt the creation of universe (although big bang theory is fully explained in quran) but try explaning it to people 1400 yrs ago verse no 2 starts with fight those who fight you and dont cross your limits coz god does not like those who cross limits (you have forgotten (ofcourse intentionally ) to add it and it was revealed when non muslims of makkah broke a treaty and attacked muslims
the 3 verse say woman is only half the worth of a man in terms of witness and inheritance and it also says its the duty of man to earn ,not womens whatever man earn there women have a equal right on it but whatever women earn men have no right on it
IF U HONESTLY WANT TO ANALYZE THINGS ,YOU CAN CHECK OUT PEACE TV OR ELSE GO TO IRF.COM
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Sarath Chandra on Feb 14, 2008 06:59 PM Permalink
A very well analyzed, balanced, and intelligent appeal. But I am not sure it will be heeded at least in the short term. But we can keep trying. Best of luck.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
Dont take any verse out of context to suit your argument. Islam stands for peace and universal brotherhood all religions are respected and all indvidual should get his full rights.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
naqvi brother do you then condemn Jihad, concept of Dhimmi,Kafir and Prophet's consummation of mariage with aiysha when she was all of 9...?
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Supersecualirist on Feb 15, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
Why all the Mullahs in India made a big hue and cry when the Calcutta Koran Case was taken up by the Calcutta Court and whey they forced the Central and State Governments to dismiss the petition without any grounds.
RE:RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Confused Mind on Feb 14, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
The status of women in Muslim countries is well-known; so they can as well stop their lie-factory. Based on their mental evaluation, my club, has decided to offer them honorary life membership to the most elite group which we call - "Losers United". But they have the choice not to accept it as we get stiff competition from many cartoon grps like theirs who protest against cartoons. But we are the flag bearers of mediocrity & madness, murder & mayhem, misguidance & darkness for millions here. Please join - "Confused Losers Club".
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
No killings of innocents are allowed or propogated by any religion. All those who use religion be it Hindus , Muslims or Chritians to harm any other innocent are working against there religion.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Mr. naqvi, why are you bluffing? Your Koran calls for killing all "Kafirs" Should I quote the relevant verse????????
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by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
Since you are confused but still i will answer you ,i was wondering if women are better in muslim world coz there they are given all the respect , taken care of are looked upon as mothers , sisters , daughters ,wives as human beings not like west where they are only pieces of flesh good only for sex thats why they must not wear clothes ,and they are not good enough if they dont have perfect figures and they are put on full display in the name of fashion shows
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Mr.naqvi, these kafirs are jealous of the jihadis going to the "Paradise" Once they realize what all have been kept in the Paradise by the "most merciful Allah", they also would not hesitate to blow themselves up "in the cause of Allah" !!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
Many of the Islam experts (???) here vomit the same rubbish written in hate websites by authors who claim to be experts. One such Moronic author is AliSina - This guy gives has put up a open challenge to Muslims to debate him-The fact is he refused to have face to face debate in any place on earth citing the threat to his life.After this muslim scholors have agreed to have pure voice debate and where he can remain completely anonymous.He still refused.
How come,Poor Muslims who cannot shout down his website which is running for years can detect him through his voice debate??
The real fact for Alisina refusing the debate is - He neither belives in his own truth(???) nor the courage to say it(even through PURE,PURE voice debate) Anyway - Here is one of Islamic sites that exposes this liar and also has plenty of email debates.Ali sina too hosts these debates but check both the versions and see the truth for yourself
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Salim...we as Netizens have access to as much information as you dobut....but this discussion will NOT evolve to the next level unless you get down from the high-horse and start to see things rationally...i'm NOT saying ISLAM is the ONLY religion that needs to evolve...every religion including mine has to now and in the future as well...
no one is deriving a sadistic pleasure here...we are just analysing
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Sarath Chandra on Feb 14, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
The apostasy and dhimmi laws take away all rights to even question the authenticity of Quran/Muhammad. Around 10 countries have death sentences for apostasy and around 30 countries have people killed for apostasy even by civilians in Islam in the last decade. First, get the permission to enquire rationally into Islam with nobody threatening to kill you, then you can practically think of "thinking about it".
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
People lime Mr. naqvi do not even understand that if the Mullahs believed in all those rewards in the "Islamic Paradise", they themselvles would have become suicide bombers rather than brain-washing the innocent young boys!!!!!!!!!!! So it is very clear that the mullahs do not believe in the Paradise or rewards awaiting them there!!!!!!!!!!!
